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Air Force One and it's passengers (a good read)

Faster horses

Well-known member
I GOT THIS IN AN EMAIL. Very interesting...

Subject: Fw: Air Force 1 & it's passengers
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>YOU WILL FIND THE SECRET SERVICE VIEWS ON THE PERSONALITIES OF PAST
>PRESIDENTS TO BE QUITE INTERESTING.
>
> For those who don't know... Capt. Denny Keast flies for UAL and flew
>many SAM's (Special Air Mission's) for the White House.
>
>********************************************************
>
>I flew 4 Presidential support missions in the C-141 out of Dover AFB,
DE..
>Two for President Johnson and two for President Nixon.
>
>Johnson was a first class jerk and on the two occasions I flew for him,
if
>the Secret Service and their Liaison in the Pentagon hadn't intervened,
we
>would have had to stay on the airplane for hours while he ( Johnson) was
>off somewhere. Nixon never required that and the four (4) stops we made
>with
>him he was cordial to the Secret Service and to me and my c rew.
>
>We had a neighbor when I lived in DC who was part of the secret service
>presidential detail for many years. His stories of Kennedy and Johnson
were
>the same as those I heard from the guys who flew the presidents' plane
>
>Yes, Kennedy did have Marilyn Monroe flown in for secret "dates," and
LBJ
>was a typical Texas "good ole boy" womanizer. Nixon, Bush 41, and
>Carter never cheated on their wives. Clinton cheated, but couldn't match
>Kennedy or LBJ in style or variety.
>
>
>The information below is accurate: The elder Bush and current president
>Bush make it a point to thank and take care of the air crews who fly
them
>around. When the president flies, there are several planes that also go,
>one carries the armored limo, another the security detail, plus usually
a
>press aircraft.
>
>Both Bushes made it a point to stay home on holidays, so the Air Force
and
>security people could have a day with their families.
>
>Hillary Clinton was arrogant and orally abusive to her security detail.
She
>forbade her daughter, Chelsea, from exchanging pleasantries with them.
>Sometimes Chelsea, miffed at her mother's obvious conceit and mean
>spiritedness, ignored her demands and exchanged pleasantries regardless,
>but
>never in her mother's presence. Chelsea really was a nice, kindhearted,
and
>lovely young lady. The consensus opinion was that Chelsea loved her Mom
but
>did not like her. Hillary Clinton was continuously rude and abrasive to
>those who were charged to protect her life. Her security detail
dutifully
>did their job, as professionals should, but they all loathed her and
wanted
>to be on a different detail.
>
>Hillary Clinton was despised by the Secret Service as a whole. Former
>President Bill Clinton was much more amiable than his wife. Often the
>Secret Service would cringe at the verbal attacks Hillary would use
against
>her husband. They were embarrassed for his sake by the manner and
frequency
>in which she verbally insulted him, sometimes in the presence of the
Secret
>Service, and sometimes behind closed doors. Even behind closed doors
>Hillary Clinton would scream and holler so loudly that everyone could
hear
>what she was saying. Many felt sorry for President Clinton and most
>wondered why he tolerated it instead of just divorcing his "attack dog"
>wife. It was crystal clear that the Clinton's neither liked nor
respected
>each other and this was true long before the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
>Theirs was genuinely a "marriage of convenience."
>
>Chelsea was m uch closer to her father than her mother, even after the
>Lewinsky scandal, which hurt her gravely. Bill Clinton did in fact have
>charisma, and occasionally would smile at or shake hands with his
security
>detail. Still, he always displayed an obvious air of superiority towards
>them. His security detail uniformly believed him to be disingenuous,
>false, and that he did nothing without a motive that in some way would
>enhance his image and political career. He was polite, but not kind.
They
>did not particularly like him and nobody trusted him.
>
>Al Gore was the male version of Hillary Clinton. They were friendlier
>toward each other than either of them were towards former President
>Clinton. They were not intimate, so please don't read that in. They were
>very close in a political way. Tipper Gore was generally nice and
pleasant.
> She initially liked Hillary but soon after the election she had her
>"pegged" and no longer liked
>her or associated with her except for events that were politically
>obligatory.
>
>Al Gore was far more left wing than Bill Clinton. Al Gore resented Bill
>Clinton and thought he was too "centrist." He despised all Republicans.
>His hatred was bitter and this was long before he announced for the
>Presidency. This hatred was something that he and Hillary had in common.
>They often said as much, even in the presence of their security detail.
>Neither of them trusted Bill Clinton and, the Secret Service opined,
>neither of them even liked him. Bill Clinton did have some good
qualities,
>whereas Al Gore and Hillary had none, in the view of their security
>details.
>
>
>Al Gore, like Hillary, was very rude and arrogant toward his security
>detail. He was extremely unappreciative and would not hesitate to scold
>them in the presence of their peers for minor details over which they
had
>no control. Al Gore
>also looked down on them, as they finally observed and learned with
>certainty on one occasion. Al got angry at his offspring and pointed at
his
>security detail and said, "Do you want to grow up and be like them?"
Word
>of this insult by the former Vice-President quickly spread and he became
as
>disliked by the Secret Service as Hillary. Most of them prayed Al Gore
>would not be elected President,
>and they really did have private celebrations in a few of their homes
after
>President Bush won. This was not necessarily to celebrate President
Bush's
>election, but to celebrate Al Gore's defeat.
>
>Everyone in the Secret Service wants to be on First Lady Laura Bush's
>detail. Without exception, they concede that she is perhaps the nicest
and
>most
>kind person they have ever had the privilege of serving. Where Hillary
>patently refused to allow her picture to be taken with her security
detail,
>Laura Bush doesn't even have to be asked, she offers. She doesn't just
>shake their hand and say, "Thank you." Very often, she will give members
of
>her detail a kindhear ted hug to express her appreciation. There is
nothing
>false about her. This is her genuine nature. Her security detail
considers
>her to be a "breath of fresh air." They joke that comparing Laura Bush
with
>Hillary Clinton is like comparing "Mother Teresa" with the "Wicked Witch
of
>the North."
>
>Likewise, the Secret Service considers President Bush to be a gem of a
man
>to work for. He always treats them with genuine respect and he always
>trusts and listens to their expert advice. They really like the
Crawford,
>Texas detail. Every
>time the president goes to Crawford he has a Bar-B-Q for his security
>detail and he helps serve their meals. He sits with them, eats with
them,
>and talks with them.. He knows each of them by their first name, and
calls
>them by their first name as a show of affection. He always asks about t
>heir family, the names of which he always remembers. They believe that
he
>is deeply and genuinely appreciative of their service. They could not
like,
>love, or respect anyone more than President Bush. Most of them did not
know
>they would feel this way, until
>they had an opportunity to work for him and learn that his manner was
>genuine and consistent. It has never changed since he began his
Presidency.
>He always treats them with the utmost respect, kindness, and compassion.
>
>Please pass this on. It is important for Americans to have a true inside
>understanding of their President.. And also the woman who is currently
>a candidate for president..
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Desperation seems to be driving the Bush supporters on this board.

Snopes strikes again.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/secretservice.asp
 

Mike

Well-known member
Snopes Status: Undetermined

Snopes has been known to appease the leftwing whackos like yourself.

After all. You can't believe everything you read on the internet and Snopes is on the internet. :lol:
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Mike said:
Snopes Status: Undetermined

Snopes has been known to appease the leftwing whackos like yourself.

After all. You can't believe everything you read on the internet and Snopes is on the internet. :lol:

There's so many more right wing wackos out there putting this crap online for Snopes to deflate that it just seems like they're left wing. If people like you and Faster Horses and Red Robin would do a little vetting beforeyou jump out and put this stupid stuff online, Snopes would be out of business.
 

Goodpasture

Well-known member
Mike said:
Snopes has been known to appease the leftwing whackos like yourself.

SO much better to believe unsubstantiated second-hand reports from anonymous writers........that provides so much more credibility to the purveyors of that commentary.
 

Mike

Well-known member
To be sure, Snopes has quelled some rumors about President George W. Bush, such as the one about him having the lowest IQ of modern presidents. But it has split hairs trying to protect Clinton and Al Gore. For instance, Snopes flags the claim that Gore said he "invented" the Internet as false, and signaled it with a red light. The reason given is that Gore actually said he "took the initiative in creating the Internet." Never mind that many dictionaries and thesauruses list the words "invent" and "create" as synonyms. Snopes also lists as false the claim that "the Clinton administration failed to track down the perpetrators of several terrorist attacks against Americans." The Mikkelsons (Snopes founders)echo the dubious claim by Clinton's defenders that the missile strike in Afghanistan in 1998, widely thought to have been launched to distract the public from the Monica Lewinsky affair, reportedly "missed bin Laden by a few hours" and cite a Washington Post story claiming that the federal antiterrorism budget tripled to $6.7 billion on Clinton's watch.

But the biggest criticism Snopes has attracted for defending the Clintons involves Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) and the Black Panthers. Differing sharply from news and historical accounts, and even from another urban-legends Website, TruthOrFiction.com, Snopes maintains that it is false that "Hillary Clinton played a significant role in defending Black Panthers accused of torturing and murdering Alex Rackley."

The Mikkelsons call a 2000 Insight piece by John Elvin detailing Clinton's role as a Yale law student in supporting the Black Panthers on trial for brutally murdering Rackley, a fellow Panther (see "Hillary Hides Her Panther Fling," July 31, 2000), a "woefully bad piece of 'journalism.'" According to Snopes, "the sum total of her involvement in the trial was that she assisted the American Civil Liberties Union [ACLU] in monitoring the trial for civil-rights violations."

In the interview with Insight, Mikkelson wonders how anyone could object to Hillary's effort on behalf of the Panthers. "She was working with the ACLU, which is what any smart law student would do," she says. When Insight points out to her that many believe some elements of the ACLU have a left-wing agenda, she replies, "There are some people who disagree with the Easter Bunny, too."

Shaky analogies aside, Hillary did more than simply compile reports. According to The First Partner, the authoritative biography by Joyce Milton, Hillary organized the students monitoring the trial, and the students "worked closely with the Panthers' lead attorney, Charles Garry." Based on the students' observations, Garry "raised a multitude of issues about the allegedly unfair treatment of his clients, which ranged from the trivial to the bizarre," Milton wrote. This strategy was ultimately successful in keeping two of the Panthers from being convicted.

Clinton later interned in Oakland for Panther lawyer Robert Treuhaft, an avowed Communist. "Anybody who leaves you with the impression that Hillary did not participate in support of the Black Panthers at the trial is not presenting an accurate impression," says Rich Buhler, operator of TruthOrFiction.com.

But Clinton was not just involved in the Panthers' legal defense. She was serving as a key editor of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action when the review published its fall 1970 issue defending the Panthers. Included in the issue were drawings of policemen as pigs, with one pig decapitated and the accompanying caption, "Seize the time." Again, the Mikkelsons put the best spin on this, writing that "no one has demonstrated that she approved (or even knew) of it." Besides, Mikkelson tells Insight, depicting the police as pigs is no big deal. "Were policemen never referred to as pigs before at colleges?" she asks.

Insight's Elvin laughs that those interested in separating rumor from fact must be at least as skeptical of Snopes as they are of urban legends in circulating e-mails. "It's obvious that they're agenda-driven," Elvin says. "The credibility that they've established is based on the laziness of reporters who have used them as a source." The NLPC's Flaherty, who also researched the Panther story when writing his biography of Hillary Clinton, The First Lady, reaches a similar conclusion. "It sounds to me like they're starting their own urban legends," he says.

Frankie. What does "undetermined" mean? :lol:
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
Goodpasture said:
Mike said:
Snopes has been known to appease the leftwing whackos like yourself.

SO much better to believe unsubstantiated second-hand reports from anonymous writers........that provides so much more credibility to the purveyors of that commentary.

She always has that scowl on her face. A continuous scowl lends credibility to such reports. Wonder why she doesn't smile much?
 

Red Robin

Well-known member
ff said:
If people like you and Faster Horses and Red Robin would do a little vetting beforeyou jump out and put this stupid stuff online, Snopes would be out of business.
Snopes this ff.
http://www.teenshelter.org/abortioncount.htm
 
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