SJ
Well-known member
JJ Contract pilot is killing so many coyotes because Harding County gets a lot of coyotes drifting in from North Dakota and also from Perkins Co. A lot of the coyotes he kills are in Northern and Eastern Harding County also part of it is Harding County gets very little help from RY.
SH states that RY is one of the best trappers in the outfit. SH is in a better position than I to know how RY stacks up against the rest of the GF&P trappers, but I do know how RY does in Harding County. If he is one of the best it is no wonder that so many producers in other counties have gotten eaten out of the sheep business.
I totally agree that a trapper working with a pilot is the best way to go but RY has always refused to work with any of the pilot’s who currently fly for the predator District in Harding County. He has stated this in meetings with the predator district, so his position is well known.
Harding and Butte Counties are not getting much bang for their buck due to this trappers attitude as Harding County is paying in 16,000 annually and Butte County pays 22,000 annually about 1/3 of Butte County is RY’s area. This is the money that is matched 2-1 by state and federal ADC funds.
The multi-County Predator District pays JJ about 16,000 per year. In 2004 JJ and CB were paid 19,000 to fly in Harding County this was a little higher than it had been running but there hadn’t been much predator control in the last half of 2003 and the first third of 2004 due the JJ being grounded. The losses DN referred to happened mostly in that time period when RY was operating on his place. On the first hunt of JJ and CB a pair of coyotes with 9 pups were found in DN’s lambing pasture and had been eating very well. So much for RY’s abilities.
JJ was convicted of trespassing after a complaint from someone who was GF&P’s favorite contract pilot and who had allegedly given JJ verbal permission to fly his place. (Lesson) Should be very careful when relying on the word of someone who works for GF&P.
Para-plane Issue
When GF&P went after JS for hunting out of a para-plane illegally they first alleged that they had had a lot of complaints on JS, but have never produced a single written complaint. GF&P also said the FAA came to them with concerns about aerial hunting out of para-planes. But the FAA personally says it was the GF&P who came to them. Documents provided under the freedom of information act back this up. Other states that are more concerned about their citizen’s rights to protect their property and livelihoods are still permitting pilots to hunt out of para-planes. When asked why this was, the FAA says it is because “no one has made an issue of it” and done to their citizens what South Dakota GF&P did to theirs. The actions of GF&P that resulted in their para-planes being grounded has cost landowners and livestock producers thousands of dollars with no end in sight. (NOTE) It seemed the only people who had complaints about JS’s hunting out of his para-plane were the GF&P trapper and the GF&P’s CO. The landowner who he was on the day GF&P came after JS was with him showing him where the coyotes had killed a calf. So much for mistakes favoring landowners!!!
The alias from Harding County is still wanting to talk to some of the sheep producers in SH’s area who sold out to see if they think SH’s form of predator control worked as well for them as it does for him.
JJ flies for everyone in the predator district who requests him. If they call him with a complaint he answers it.
If the predator district had the $16,000 that Harding County pays in and $7,000 of the money Butte County pays in, they could do a lot more good than paying for a trapper who refuses to work with any of the districts pilots in Harding County and who isn’t concerned about the losses of producers whom he doesn’t like.
Also there are a lot of sportsmen and women in Harding and Butte Counties who buy license’s that help fund the 2 to 1 matching monies, and a lot of licenses are sold in these two counties to hunters who want to come here to hunt deer and antelope that probably wouldn’t be as plentiful if we didn’t have such and effective aerial hunting program.
Where and when have you visited with JJ?
SH states that RY is one of the best trappers in the outfit. SH is in a better position than I to know how RY stacks up against the rest of the GF&P trappers, but I do know how RY does in Harding County. If he is one of the best it is no wonder that so many producers in other counties have gotten eaten out of the sheep business.
I totally agree that a trapper working with a pilot is the best way to go but RY has always refused to work with any of the pilot’s who currently fly for the predator District in Harding County. He has stated this in meetings with the predator district, so his position is well known.
Harding and Butte Counties are not getting much bang for their buck due to this trappers attitude as Harding County is paying in 16,000 annually and Butte County pays 22,000 annually about 1/3 of Butte County is RY’s area. This is the money that is matched 2-1 by state and federal ADC funds.
The multi-County Predator District pays JJ about 16,000 per year. In 2004 JJ and CB were paid 19,000 to fly in Harding County this was a little higher than it had been running but there hadn’t been much predator control in the last half of 2003 and the first third of 2004 due the JJ being grounded. The losses DN referred to happened mostly in that time period when RY was operating on his place. On the first hunt of JJ and CB a pair of coyotes with 9 pups were found in DN’s lambing pasture and had been eating very well. So much for RY’s abilities.
JJ was convicted of trespassing after a complaint from someone who was GF&P’s favorite contract pilot and who had allegedly given JJ verbal permission to fly his place. (Lesson) Should be very careful when relying on the word of someone who works for GF&P.
Para-plane Issue
When GF&P went after JS for hunting out of a para-plane illegally they first alleged that they had had a lot of complaints on JS, but have never produced a single written complaint. GF&P also said the FAA came to them with concerns about aerial hunting out of para-planes. But the FAA personally says it was the GF&P who came to them. Documents provided under the freedom of information act back this up. Other states that are more concerned about their citizen’s rights to protect their property and livelihoods are still permitting pilots to hunt out of para-planes. When asked why this was, the FAA says it is because “no one has made an issue of it” and done to their citizens what South Dakota GF&P did to theirs. The actions of GF&P that resulted in their para-planes being grounded has cost landowners and livestock producers thousands of dollars with no end in sight. (NOTE) It seemed the only people who had complaints about JS’s hunting out of his para-plane were the GF&P trapper and the GF&P’s CO. The landowner who he was on the day GF&P came after JS was with him showing him where the coyotes had killed a calf. So much for mistakes favoring landowners!!!
The alias from Harding County is still wanting to talk to some of the sheep producers in SH’s area who sold out to see if they think SH’s form of predator control worked as well for them as it does for him.
JJ flies for everyone in the predator district who requests him. If they call him with a complaint he answers it.
If the predator district had the $16,000 that Harding County pays in and $7,000 of the money Butte County pays in, they could do a lot more good than paying for a trapper who refuses to work with any of the districts pilots in Harding County and who isn’t concerned about the losses of producers whom he doesn’t like.
Also there are a lot of sportsmen and women in Harding and Butte Counties who buy license’s that help fund the 2 to 1 matching monies, and a lot of licenses are sold in these two counties to hunters who want to come here to hunt deer and antelope that probably wouldn’t be as plentiful if we didn’t have such and effective aerial hunting program.
Where and when have you visited with JJ?