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hypocritexposer

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Can a Dual Citizen be a Natural Born Citizen? Until the SCOTUS rules differently than in 1874, NO.

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In Minor v. Happersett, 1874, the Supreme Court stated that there is a legitimate unanswered question, or "doubt", as to whether a U.S.-born child of a non-citizen parent is a Constitutional natural born citizen. Until the Supreme Court answers this question, it is by no means "settled" that Barack Obama is Constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States.


Is a citizen the same as a Citizen the same as Natural Born Citizen, NO, or else the founders would not have had to write in a "Grandfather clause"

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Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution states:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.



Is a "Native Born Citizen" the same as "Natural Born Citizen"? NO. A Native Born is a person that gains citizenship at birth. (Anchor Babies are Native Born)

From Obama's website:

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“The fact is Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America.”


When was the last time the Senate verified that a Natural Born Citizen was a citizen born of 2 American Citizen Parents? 2008

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Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduced a resolution expressing the sense of the U.S. Senate that presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) was a ‘natural born Citizen,’ as specified in the Constitution and eligible to run for President.

“Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy. “I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.”

At a Judiciary Committee hearing on April 3, Leahy asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, himself a former Federal judge, if he had doubts that McCain was eligible to serve as President.

“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.

“That is mine, too,” said Leahy.

What’s interesting here is that Sen. Leahy, the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary, confirms that a “natural born” citizen is the child of American citizen parents.

Parents — that’s two. That’s BOTH parents.



Was Obama born a Dual Citizen? Yes, by his own admission.

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“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.


Why is it important that the Commander in Chief be a Natural Born Citizen? Because a Dual Citizen might have divided loyalities.

"the Natural" in Natural Born Citizen refers to by Natural Law, meaning that you cannot become a "Natural Born Citizen" by any statutory law. You either are at birth or not.

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“every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
 

hypocritexposer

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That is scary Backhoe. So as long as this information gets out, 2010 will change things quite a bit.

And then in 2012, hopefully the bill requiring Presidential Candidates to disclose thier documents will have passed.
 

Tam

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alice said:
No, $Hypocrite$, I didn't. I'm not being paid to dig this ambiguous stuff up.

Alice

More fluff to distract from the info brought to your attention Alice. :wink:
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Can a Dual Citizen be a Natural Born Citizen? Until the SCOTUS rules differently than in 1874, NO.

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

I still don't believe he was even born in Hawaii as his Grandma Obama said she attended his birth in Kenya and the Kenyan authorities say his birth place is a tourist attraction in KENYA. And he is paying hundreds of thousands to stop anyone from seeing his long form certificate which is the only document that can prove one way or the another :wink:

But even under these rules, how is it that Obama is qualified to sit as President of the US, ALICE?

This may just explain who's passport Obama travel with in the 80's.
Do you know if British citizens were allowed to travel to Pakistan in the 80's :?
 

alice

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Tam said:
alice said:
No, $Hypocrite$, I didn't. I'm not being paid to dig this ambiguous stuff up.

Alice

More fluff to distract from the info brought to your attention Alice. :wink:
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Can a Dual Citizen be a Natural Born Citizen? Until the SCOTUS rules differently than in 1874, NO.

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

I still don't believe he was even born in Hawaii as his Grandma Obama said she attended his birth in Kenya and the Kenyan authorities say his birth place is a tourist attraction in KENYA. And he is paying hundreds of thousands to stop anyone from seeing his long form certificate which is the only document that can prove one way or the another :wink:

But even under these rules, how is it that Obama is qualified to sit as President of the US, ALICE?

This may just explain who's passport Obama travel with in the 80's.
Do you know if British citizens were allowed to travel to Pakistan in the 80's :?

I still don't believe he was even born in Hawaii as his Grandma Obama said she attended his birth in Kenya and the Kenyan authorities say his birth place is a tourist attraction in KENYA.

And were his other grandmother alive, his maternal grandmother, she would probably have a lot to say about that! :lol:

Tam, there's a little town about 20 miles from where I live. It boasts that Billy the Kid lived out his days and died there an old man. His grave is a tourist attraction. And even tho this man's remains were exhumed and DNA tested, proving that Billy the Kid is not the man in that grave, many people refuse to believe it...they refute the EVIDENCE. This little town makes tourist money promoting this lie...they even have billboards erected on the outskirts of town proclaiming that Billy the Kid died there and businesses sell little Billy the Kid trinkets. Yet the business of selling these trinkes is based on a lie, and has been scientifically proven to be a lie

Yes, I would just bet that Kenya promotes this lie about Obama being born there. There's money to be had doing that...and they sure need the money.

Alice
 

hypocritexposer

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And the Natural Born Citizen issue, is Congress making it up to make $$ too.

I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen -Rep. John Bingham, framer of the 14th Amendment, before The US House of Representatives ((Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291, March 9, 1866 )
 

hypocritexposer

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Sounds like a good business Tam has going.

Teaching history while running a business.

I suppose Kola would be happy if you were more dependent on the taxpayers though. It's a liberal thing.
 

Mike

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kolanuraven said:
Mike said:
burnt said:
Ya gotta love censorship . . . . . :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:wink:

Should our words be censored when they contain the truth?


Don't start.....just don't start. :mad: :mad:

FYI:

I didn't complain about it.....know that for a fact, someone else did.

You don't like it,take it up with Macon as he did the edits

OK
 

MsSage

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Mike said:
Tam sells trinkets

While Kola sells more personal stuff. :wink:
I dont know what you said BUT Mike you are only proving her right with the personal attacks.

You ask for the left to answer you but why should they when all they will get is some white trash remark?
Leave the fluff and personal attacks to them ....they are so mych better at it then you can ever be :wink:
 

Tam

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kolanuraven said:
Tam sells trinkets and makes money off the history of the people who haunted her area of the world in the old days.

What trinkets do I supposedly sell Kola? :?

I researched the history of this area, did I make up the story I tell the tourist that visit my gallery, NO I RESEARCHED it to find the truth. After being asked if I had the story written down so it could be passed on to the next generation many times, I decided to write a book. What I'm making money off of is all the hard work I did to collect the historical information that is now being preserved for future generations. Oh and I make a bit as an artist, when people ask me to do painting of something or someone that is close to them. If it is wrong to make money off hard work and a god given talent that brings pleasure to others then I guess I'm doing something wrong. :roll:
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Tam sells trinkets and makes money off the history of the people who haunted her area of the world in the old days.

That has to be better than house sitting for your grandpa, getting free room and board to check cows each day! :wink:
 

andybob

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Do you know if British citizens were allowed to travel to Pakistan in the 80's


Tam, Pakistan has never closed their borders to British passport holders, thousands of British born Muslims are of Pakistani origin, and regularly visit extended family (and arrange marriages to bring in more family).
 
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