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On this one--- old GW and I agree.....


TESTING THE FAITH
Bush: All religions pray to 'same God'
'That's what I believe. I believe Islam is a great religion that preaches peace'


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Posted: October 7, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com




President George Bush has repeated his belief all religions, "whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God" – an assertion that caused outrage among evangelical leaders when he said it in November 2003.

Bush made the statement Friday in an interview with Al Arabiya reporter Elie Nakouzi.

Al Arabiya is Al Jazeerah's top competitor in the Mideast.

As the president and Nakouzi walked from the Oval Office to the Map Room in the White House residence, Nazouki asked, "But I want to tell you – and I hope this doesn't bother you at all – that in the Islamic world they think that President Bush is an enemy of Islam – that he wants to destroy their religion, what they believe in. Is that in any way true, Mr. President?"

"No, it's not," said Bush. "I've heard that, and it just shows [sic] to show a couple of things: One, that the radicals have done a good job of propagandizing. In other words, they've spread the word that this really isn't peaceful people versus radical people or terrorists, this is really about the America not liking Islam.

"Well, first of all, I believe in an Almighty God, and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God. That's what I believe. I believe that Islam is a great religion that preaches peace. And I believe people who murder the innocent to achieve political objectives aren't religious people, whether they be a Christian who does that – we had a person blow up our – blow up a federal building in Oklahoma City who professed to be a Christian, but that's not a Christian act to kill innocent people.

"And I just simply don't subscribe to the idea that murdering innocent men, women and children – particularly Muslim men, women and children in the Middle East – is an act of somebody who is a religious person.

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Reaction from U.S. evangelical leaders was swift and strong.

Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant denomination, was quoted in the Baptist Press as saying the president "is simply mistaken."

According to a Washington Post account, Land said in an interview: "We should always remember that he is commander in chief, not theologian in chief. The Bible is clear on this: The one and true god is Jehovah, and his only begotten son is Jesus Christ."

The Rev. Ted Haggard, then-president of the National Association of Evangelicals, also contradicted the president in a press statement. "The Christian God encourages freedom, love, forgiveness, prosperity and health," said Haggard. "The Muslim god appears to value the opposite. The personalities of each god are evident in the cultures, civilizations and dispositions of the peoples that serve them. Muhammad's central message was submission; Jesus' central message was love. They seem to be very different personalities."

In November 2006, Haggard was forced to resign from NAE following allegations of drug use and sex with a homosexual prostitute.
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Gary Bauer, former presidential candidate and president of American Values, said Bush's comment was "not helpful to the president. Since everybody agrees he's not a theologian, he would be much better advised to punt when he gets that kind of question."
full story:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58026
 

Goodpasture

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What if Hell didn’t really exist?
Raised up as a voice of reason and moderation in a world of extremes, Carlton Pearson made a choice. He chose to tell the world that God's love is absolute and complete. A choice boldly declaring that God wants relationship with all of humanity; Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Hispanics, gays and any and all who have been marginalized by the dominant culture and considered unacceptable and unworthy by the Christian church at large. Furthermore, Pearson, through scriptural study, research, and heartfelt conviction, is absolutely convinced that God is not sending people to Hell at the rate proclaimed by the moral majority. And even maybe more earth-shattering, he believes God's love is not being represented anywhere near the fullness that the Almighty intends. In essence, Pearson is simply saying that "God loves on a global basis, not just an American or Christian basis."

Have you ever asked how a loving God could condemn most of His children to eternal torment? Bishop Carlton Pearson did, and his answer will change everything you ever thought you knew about God, eternity and God’s plan for humankind.

In The Gospel of Inclusion, Bishop Pearson courageously explores the exclusionary doctrines of mainstream religion and concludes that according to the evidence of the Bible and irrefutable logic, they cannot be true. Instead, he offers us the Gospel of Inclusion—the simple, stunning truth that everyone has already been saved by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

In this astonishing book, Pearson argues that the controlling dogmas of religion are the source of much of the world’s ills, and that we should turn our backs on proselytizing and holy wars and focus on the real Good News: that all of humanity is indeed loved by the Divine!

The Gospel of Inclusion will transform your perception of religion’s role in your life and give you a priceless gift: hope for the future.
http://www.bishoppearson.com/index.html
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
I agree with Gary Bauer he should have punted the question. He is no authority on the Bible.

All religions do not pray to the same God. God is a position, there have been Greek Gods, Pagan Gods over the years. And even amongst Christian and other organized religions their are numerous Gods.

They may all claim that their God is the supreme creator, but if one religion believes sinners go to Hell to be tormented forever and another does not believe in this are they truly praying to the same God?

If one religion believes all non believers should be slaves or dead and another believes all people are equal and not to be slaves of any other man are they truly praying to the same god?

The Bible even calls Satan a God. If you want to really get into it, look at a King James version and study why God is sometimes in all Caps and other times not?
 

Ben H

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The Koran does say that Christians and Jews are people of the same God, therfore they shouldn't be killed or forced to convert when a State is taken over by Islamic Jihad. They must pay the Jizya tax and not have the same rights as the Muslims.

Muslims say there are 5 books to the Bible, Christians focus on 2. The Old and New Testement. The Koran, to them, is the newest book. They will say they believe there was in fact a Jesus Christ, but then they will tell you he was only a prophet.

I agree, Islam is a religion of Peace. Once the world has finished being converted to Islam, and to the same sect. Until then the Koran says clearly it is there sole duty as a muslim to wage a Jihad (struggle) to implement Shariya Law because Allah's law is above Man's law.

Bush's problem, as well as many others, is that he compares Islam to other religions as worshiping a God. Islam is much more then a religion, it is a Social/Political system first and foremost. After that it is a person's religion.

You can disagree all you want, but first find out what the Koran does in fact say, you'll be suprised what the media doesn't tell us.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Ben H said:
The Koran does say that Christians and Jews are people of the same God, therfore they shouldn't be killed or forced to convert when a State is taken over by Islamic Jihad. They must pay the Jizya tax and not have the same rights as the Muslims.

I would be interested in seeing where you got this info?

The Koran refers to the Jews and Christains as the "People of the Book" and specifically list them as enemies or non believers.

Scriptures such as Sura 3:151 are talking about Christains due to their trinity beliefs. Muslims do not believe in the son of god or the trinity.

" We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers."

also Christains are showed to be those referred to as unbelievers at Sura 5:72

"Unbelievers are those who say: 'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary.'"


The Jizya tax is one that can be given to those they choose not to kill. Not specifically held out for Jews and Christains.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Goodpasture, "Instead, he offers us the Gospel of Inclusion—the simple, stunning truth that everyone has already been saved by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. "

The gift is there, but you have to accept it. I think I can back that up Biblicly. Also, if Jesus mentioned a hell, that's good enough for me as proof one exists.
 

nonothing

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God never wrote the bible so give him a break..So many of you sit here and type how your interpretation of the bible is the correct one..Not one of you ever stops and ask your self questions,you just provide your limited answers...None of you can possibly know the truths about God or what the expectations for human beings under God even are...You all claim this book that has been handed down over time as his way and quote its passages like God wrote them....Everything in life changes,life grows,life protects itself,life in time brings changes and solves problems.God never intended life to cease growing,yet you all quote from a book that has not seen changes for many years..I ask why has it not,Who decided to end this book,and why end it at all...Bush is more right then those who take him to task on God...All in the end can have but one God,If they live a life the proper way,why would God care about semantics...The way some of You talk you make God sound like his Ego is bigger then his ideals...Shame on you for that,If a man helps others and lives a strong moral life,some of you claim because he prayed differently,God will not accept his live time efforts?...What does that say?..Put the book down and find God the way it was intended to find him,Believe in your heart and notice the rights and wrongs...We all should ask for forgiveness when we know in our hearts we are wrong..As we all should show forgiveness when we feel in our hearts we are right...I believe God is out there,not in a book or a church,but out there in each and every one of us...God is not about himself he is about mankind....Those that keep telling others what they think a book is saying,just causes the ideals of God to become cloudy and lose the true meaning of God...Those of you that need to fear God to keep on a righteous path,Keep reading the book....my hope is that one day a church opens under God but tosses the book aside and helps the world through God with the tools we are Given today,not 1000's of years ago..
 

Goodpasture

Well-known member
The word translated hell is “Gehenna” (γέεννα, geenna), a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew words ge hinnom (“Valley of Hinnom”). This was the valley along the south side of Jerusalem. In OT times it was used for human sacrifices to the pagan god Molech (cf. Jer 7:31; 19:5-6; 32:35), and it came to be used as a place where human excrement and rubbish were disposed of and burned.

The hell portrayed in modern pulpits is the one created by Dante Alighieri in his book The Inferno. His interpretation is not a biblical concept, but a perversion of what Jesus taught.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Goodpasture said:
The word translated hell is “Gehenna” (γέεννα, geenna), a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew words ge hinnom (“Valley of Hinnom”). This was the valley along the south side of Jerusalem. In OT times it was used for human sacrifices to the pagan god Molech (cf. Jer 7:31; 19:5-6; 32:35), and it came to be used as a place where human excrement and rubbish were disposed of and burned.

The hell portrayed in modern pulpits is the one created by Dante Alighieri in his book The Inferno. His interpretation is not a biblical concept, but a perversion of what Jesus taught.

Not always. The Greek word "hadez" is also used. Hades - hell.... I reference Matthew 16:18, 11:23, Luke 10:15, 16:23, Acts 2:27, 2:31, Rev 1:18, 6:8, 20:13, 20:14. 2 Peter uses another word, "Tartaroo" which translates into the "deepest abyss of Hades"
 

Goodpasture

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Not always. The Greek word "hadez" is also used. Hades - hell.... I reference Matthew 16:18, 11:23, Luke 10:15, 16:23, Acts 2:27, 2:31, Rev 1:18, 6:8, 20:13, 20:14. 2 Peter uses another word, "Tartaroo" which translates into the "deepest abyss of Hades"

"deepest abyss of Hades?" That would be the underworld where all the dead abide, right? The kingdom of the netherworld? Ruled by the Roman god Pluto? I believe the Greek name was Hades as well....brother to Zeus and husband to Persephone?


Hades

that which is out of sight, a Greek word used to denote the state or place of the dead. All the dead alike go into this place. To be buried, to go down to the grave, to descend into hades, are equivalent expressions. In the LXX. this word is the usual rendering of the Hebrew sheol, the common receptacle of the departed (Gen. 42:38; Ps. 139:8; Hos. 13:14; Isa. 14:9). This term is of comparatively rare occurrence in the Greek New Testament. Our Lord speaks of Capernaum as being "brought down to hell" (hades), i.e., simply to the lowest debasement, (Matt. 11:23). It is contemplated as a kind of kingdom which could never overturn the foundation of Christ's kingdom (16:18), i.e., Christ's church can never die. In Luke 16:23 it is most distinctly associated with the doom and misery of the lost. In Acts 2:27-31 Peter quotes the LXX. version of Ps. 16:8-11, plainly for the purpose of proving our Lord's resurrection from the dead. David was left in the place of the dead, and his body saw corruption. Not so with Christ. According to ancient prophecy (Ps. 30:3) he was recalled to life.
Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
God never wrote the bible so give him a break..So many of you sit here and type how your interpretation of the bible is the correct one..Not one of you ever stops and ask your self questions,you just provide your limited answers...None of you can possibly know the truths about God or what the expectations for human beings under God even are...You all claim this book that has been handed down over time as his way and quote its passages like God wrote them....Everything in life changes,life grows,life protects itself,life in time brings changes and solves problems.God never intended life to cease growing,yet you all quote from a book that has not seen changes for many years..I ask why has it not,Who decided to end this book,and why end it at all...Bush is more right then those who take him to task on God...All in the end can have but one God,If they live a life the proper way,why would God care about semantics...The way some of You talk you make God sound like his Ego is bigger then his ideals...Shame on you for that,If a man helps others and lives a strong moral life,some of you claim because he prayed differently,God will not accept his live time efforts?...What does that say?..Put the book down and find God the way it was intended to find him,Believe in your heart and notice the rights and wrongs...We all should ask for forgiveness when we know in our hearts we are wrong..As we all should show forgiveness when we feel in our hearts we are right...I believe God is out there,not in a book or a church,but out there in each and every one of us...God is not about himself he is about mankind....Those that keep telling others what they think a book is saying,just causes the ideals of God to become cloudy and lose the true meaning of God...Those of you that need to fear God to keep on a righteous path,Keep reading the book....my hope is that one day a church opens under God but tosses the book aside and helps the world through God with the tools we are Given today,not 1000's of years ago..

Come on nonothing give us some paragraphs to break up your thoughts. That is all hard to follow.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
God never wrote the bible so give him a break..So many of you sit here and type how your interpretation of the bible is the correct one..Not one of you ever stops and ask your self questions,you just provide your limited answers...None of you can possibly know the truths about God or what the expectations for human beings under God even are...You all claim this book that has been handed down over time as his way and quote its passages like God wrote them....Everything in life changes,life grows,life protects itself,life in time brings changes and solves problems.God never intended life to cease growing,yet you all quote from a book that has not seen changes for many years..I ask why has it not,Who decided to end this book,and why end it at all...Bush is more right then those who take him to task on God...All in the end can have but one God,If they live a life the proper way,why would God care about semantics...The way some of You talk you make God sound like his Ego is bigger then his ideals...Shame on you for that,If a man helps others and lives a strong moral life,some of you claim because he prayed differently,God will not accept his live time efforts?...What does that say?..Put the book down and find God the way it was intended to find him,Believe in your heart and notice the rights and wrongs...We all should ask for forgiveness when we know in our hearts we are wrong..As we all should show forgiveness when we feel in our hearts we are right...I believe God is out there,not in a book or a church,but out there in each and every one of us...God is not about himself he is about mankind....Those that keep telling others what they think a book is saying,just causes the ideals of God to become cloudy and lose the true meaning of God...Those of you that need to fear God to keep on a righteous path,Keep reading the book....my hope is that one day a church opens under God but tosses the book aside and helps the world through God with the tools we are Given today,not 1000's of years ago..

Come on nonothing give us some paragraphs to break up your thoughts. That is all hard to follow.

But to pick a few things out, how do you know rather God intended on things to quit growing? If you do not believe the bible is his inspired word then why would you claim to know anything about him at all?

The bible does not need any changes, it lays out the beginning to the end it is complete.

If you do not believe in the Bible that is your business, our discussions with each other are between people that do believe in the bible, just disagree about the application of scriptures. If that offends you then do not go on threads discussing religion!

How is it that you know anything about God? You say you believe he is out there and part of mankind, how do you know this? Did a vision come to you in your sleep? Did you Dream about him? You would never even have heard of the word God if not for the Bible.

Do not try to silence our discussion because you do not want to do the research to see if the Bible is accurate. Instead you rely on your own arrogance and philosophical beliefs.

The proof that the bible is real and inspired by God is there, you just have to get past your own ego to find it.


nonothing said:
my hope is that one day a church opens under God but tosses the book aside and helps the world through God with the tools we are Given today,not 1000's of years ago..

So your hope is that someone will start a church that will tell you what you want to hear huh?

If you do not believe in the Bible then why would you have any wants in regard God then?

Which is it, are you an atheist or do you believe in God? I have more respect for an atheist than a person that claims to believe in God but does not want to hear or accept the written word.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Goodpasture said:
Sandhusker said:
Not always. The Greek word "hadez" is also used. Hades - hell.... I reference Matthew 16:18, 11:23, Luke 10:15, 16:23, Acts 2:27, 2:31, Rev 1:18, 6:8, 20:13, 20:14. 2 Peter uses another word, "Tartaroo" which translates into the "deepest abyss of Hades"

"deepest abyss of Hades?" That would be the underworld where all the dead abide, right? The kingdom of the netherworld? Ruled by the Roman god Pluto? I believe the Greek name was Hades as well....brother to Zeus and husband to Persephone?


Hades

that which is out of sight, a Greek word used to denote the state or place of the dead. All the dead alike go into this place. To be buried, to go down to the grave, to descend into hades, are equivalent expressions. In the LXX. this word is the usual rendering of the Hebrew sheol, the common receptacle of the departed (Gen. 42:38; Ps. 139:8; Hos. 13:14; Isa. 14:9). This term is of comparatively rare occurrence in the Greek New Testament. Our Lord speaks of Capernaum as being "brought down to hell" (hades), i.e., simply to the lowest debasement, (Matt. 11:23). It is contemplated as a kind of kingdom which could never overturn the foundation of Christ's kingdom (16:18), i.e., Christ's church can never die. In Luke 16:23 it is most distinctly associated with the doom and misery of the lost. In Acts 2:27-31 Peter quotes the LXX. version of Ps. 16:8-11, plainly for the purpose of proving our Lord's resurrection from the dead. David was left in the place of the dead, and his body saw corruption. Not so with Christ. According to ancient prophecy (Ps. 30:3) he was recalled to life.
Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary

I'm just the messenger. You stated that "hell" translated into the Valley of Hinnom. I just pointed out that wasn't always the case.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Goodpasture said:
The word translated hell is “Gehenna” (??e??a, geenna), a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew words ge hinnom (“Valley of Hinnom”). This was the valley along the south side of Jerusalem. In OT times it was used for human sacrifices to the pagan god Molech (cf. Jer 7:31; 19:5-6; 32:35), and it came to be used as a place where human excrement and rubbish were disposed of and burned.

I agree! When God told Adam the punishment for sin he said it was death! He did not say it was forever torment and punishment.

The bible also says that , "the dead know not any thing", kind of hard to know pain if you know nothing.

Or you can look at Acts 2:31 and see that Jesus himself spent time in Hell! Does it make since that God sent his own son to be tormented and tortured? Or does it make more since that the word Hade's, Sheol, or Hell is actually a word for the Grave? If you use the word grave in place of Hell then it makes since that Jesus spent time in his grave until resurrection.

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption

How could God be about Love and torment people forever?

Hell (Sheol or Hade's) is describing a grave. Any reference to fire is symbolic of such things such as once something is burned it can not return. Much like once you have been condemned to death for your sins then you can not return from the grave.
 

Goodpasture

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Heaven, to me, is the PRESENCE of God. Hell is the absence of God. Sinless is 100%.....and I cannot achieve that. If it were possible to be 100% sinless, the sacrifice would never have had to be made. But 99.999999% clean is 100% dirty. Same with sin. 99.999999% sin free is still 100% sinful. To achieve 100% clean cannot be done. That is why the blood sacrifice was made.....to provide an avenue other than being perfect to gain the presence of God.

And there is no repeated "redemption" as I do not believe Jesus got it wrong the first time and has to continue to redeem on a daily basis. If you had to continuously be redeemed, the only ones who would go to heaven would be those who had repented with their last breath.....all their prior efforts would be futile, because the sin committed this morning would wipe out the repenting from before.
 

nonothing

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
God never wrote the bible so give him a break..So many of you sit here and type how your interpretation of the bible is the correct one..Not one of you ever stops and ask your self questions,you just provide your limited answers...None of you can possibly know the truths about God or what the expectations for human beings under God even are...You all claim this book that has been handed down over time as his way and quote its passages like God wrote them....Everything in life changes,life grows,life protects itself,life in time brings changes and solves problems.God never intended life to cease growing,yet you all quote from a book that has not seen changes for many years..I ask why has it not,Who decided to end this book,and why end it at all...Bush is more right then those who take him to task on God...All in the end can have but one God,If they live a life the proper way,why would God care about semantics...The way some of You talk you make God sound like his Ego is bigger then his ideals...Shame on you for that,If a man helps others and lives a strong moral life,some of you claim because he prayed differently,God will not accept his live time efforts?...What does that say?..Put the book down and find God the way it was intended to find him,Believe in your heart and notice the rights and wrongs...We all should ask for forgiveness when we know in our hearts we are wrong..As we all should show forgiveness when we feel in our hearts we are right...I believe God is out there,not in a book or a church,but out there in each and every one of us...God is not about himself he is about mankind....Those that keep telling others what they think a book is saying,just causes the ideals of God to become cloudy and lose the true meaning of God...Those of you that need to fear God to keep on a righteous path,Keep reading the book....my hope is that one day a church opens under God but tosses the book aside and helps the world through God with the tools we are Given today,not 1000's of years ago..

Come on nonothing give us some paragraphs to break up your thoughts. That is all hard to follow.

But to pick a few things out, how do you know rather God intended on things to quit growing? If you do not believe the bible is his inspired word then why would you claim to know anything about him at all?

The bible does not need any changes, it lays out the beginning to the end it is complete.

If you do not believe in the Bible that is your business, our discussions with each other are between people that do believe in the bible, just disagree about the application of scriptures. If that offends you then do not go on threads discussing religion!

How is it that you know anything about God? You say you believe he is out there and part of mankind, how do you know this? Did a vision come to you in your sleep? Did you Dream about him? You would never even have heard of the word God if not for the Bible.

Do not try to silence our discussion because you do not want to do the research to see if the Bible is accurate. Instead you rely on your own arrogance and philosophical beliefs.

The proof that the bible is real and inspired by God is there, you just have to get past your own ego to find it.


nonothing said:
my hope is that one day a church opens under God but tosses the book aside and helps the world through God with the tools we are Given today,not 1000's of years ago..

So your hope is that someone will start a church that will tell you what you want to hear huh?

If you do not believe in the Bible then why would you have any wants in regard God then?

Which is it, are you an atheist or do you believe in God? I have more respect for an atheist than a person that claims to believe in God but does not want to hear or accept the written word.


I am sorry I stepped on your toes Aplus.continue with your ways..I am not here to defend what I believe nor am I here to change what you need to have to make you believe...I see god through daily miracles of life itself...There is more to Humans then just our physical makeup...I see God stepping in throughtout my life by allowing me special gifts that only my heart and soul know and understand when they are presented to me in my life....I dont need to tell you of the gifts I have been giving,as I am sure those given to you are similar but yet very different...

You can try to tell me what I am thinking as you do in most posts that you send my way...For I feel you seem to need that control over others and I am fine with that....I always respect your vigor and commitment to your believes on many subjects...Agreeing with you though,is at times, something I can not do...I do not care who you respect and who you do not respect..What you say or do has very little impact on my life...I am however not here to tell you how to decide your path through your live...I do not share your stance on the bible...It provides us with good fodder but it offers only perceptions of not only those who authored it but also those who interperute it...


I just find it hard to take when people tell others that God is telling them how to live.That to be part of God you must do as it says in the bible...How can anyone in this day and age even know what God said and to who he said it to?..I do not find God in a book Aplus I see him at work everyday...Not just through good but offering chance after chance to show him who we are.....God is not a word but an action,and that is my opinion.

You can write back and tell me what I am doing wrong and such,I again do not mind....Since you already answered for me in your last post,would it be ok with you if I change the answer you gave for me?..I would like just to say,I do not need a church to tell me what I want to hear,I hope thats not your reason to go either..I would rather go to a place where people can come together without needing rules to live the right way...I think many interperuted rules of the bible,in many cases,cause unhappiness,and again that is my opinion.....
 

Steve

Well-known member
That to be part of God you must do as it says in the bible..

a person can be morally good, and not be a Christian...

you can do what is right, and decent...and not follow the Bible...

But, I believe that to be "part of GOD" you would have to have an understanding of the Bible...and of GOD's word..

While I can not answer all you have said, I can say that the answer you seek from this site is not here, but it is in the Bible...

In JOB, in an older Bible I have an interpretation that often differs slightly,..interestingly in the differences it gives me an understanding that I believe answers some of what you lament...

JOB 12 3..

I also have a heart as well as you

in speaking of Job's understanding... and the truth in his heart..

in many versions it is: But I have understanding as well as you; I am not inferior to you:

as Christians we should guide any one who seeks to understand GOD and the Bible, we shouldn't see another as inferior, some of us have an understanding, while others have a heart...both are the same.. we are just at different points in our faith journey...

Later in the same chapter..

"But ask the animals, now, and they shall teach you; the birds of the sky, and they shall tell you. Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach you. The fish of the sea shall declare to you.
Who doesn't know that in all these, the hand of Yahweh has done this, "

*My lack of a response is not to ignore your comments, I am leaving to go Fishing, and I am not taking a computer with...
 

Steve

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GP
And there is no repeated "redemption" as I do not believe Jesus got it wrong the first time and has to continue to redeem on a daily basis. If you had to continuously be redeemed, the only ones who would go to heaven would be those who had repented with their last breath.....all their prior efforts would be futile, because the sin committed this morning would wipe out the repenting from before.

I think Paul pretty much covers it in Romans...

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.
 

Goodpasture

Well-known member
Steve said:
GP
And there is no repeated "redemption" as I do not believe Jesus got it wrong the first time and has to continue to redeem on a daily basis. If you had to continuously be redeemed, the only ones who would go to heaven would be those who had repented with their last breath.....all their prior efforts would be futile, because the sin committed this morning would wipe out the repenting from before.

I think Paul pretty much covers it in Romans...

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.
So how do YOU interpret that?
 
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