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Poll: Americans Confident About Healthcare Prospects

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:40 AM


WASHINGTON -- Americans are showing more confidence in their ability to get and afford the health care they need, according to a poll released Tuesday.


Whites, though, are likelier to feel that way than minorities. And large numbers of people are worried about whether they will have future health coverage, with nearly one in four concerned that family medical bills will drive them into bankruptcy.

The survey, conducted by the nonpartisan Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, showed the public overwhelmingly considers President Barack Obama's drive to overhaul health care a crucial weapon in the battle to end the country's economic problems - one of the rationales he has used in his health care campaign. Eighty-five percent said it is important that Obama make reshaping health care part of his efforts to restore the economy.


The questions were asked in June, as Congress was working on health care in earnest and amid one of the worst recessions since the 1930s. Lawmakers have since moved slowly, with Republicans and moderate Democrats objecting to the overhaul's roughly $1 trillion, 10-year price tag and to proposals to pay for it.


This survey comes as others have shown trouble for Obama on health care, including a Washington Post-ABC News survey released Monday that found approval of Obama's handling of health care reform slipping below 50 percent for the first time.


The Johnson foundation study's index of Americans' attitudes about their recent health care experiences and future expectations rose by 3.6 points last month to 102.3. That index, based on people's answers to nine questions, was 98.7 in May. The highest possible score is 200, the lowest zero.


Researchers said they were unsure why the measure had ticked up, but said the bump was significant. They suggested it might be due to expectations that Washington will improve the health care system.


"There's been a lot of discussion of health reform," said Lynn Blewett, director of a University of Minnesota health data center that analyzed the results. "So one hypothesis is consumers are feeling like something will happen."


Those more optimistic feelings were not shared equally.


The index for white non-Hispanics was nearly 20 points higher than it was for minorities, 105.9 to 86.9. The reading for the one-third of people with the highest incomes was almost 30 points higher than it was for the one-third with the lowest earnings.


At the same time, 40 percent said they are worried about affording routine health care in the future, though that was down slightly from 46 percent in May. Similar numbers expressed worry about affording future care for serious medical problems or prescriptions.


Twenty-three percent said they were concerned about going bankrupt from medical bills. About the same number worry they will lose their health insurance in the next year.


About one in five said that in the past year they have forgone medical care or not filled prescriptions because of the expense.


"With the economy continuing to struggle, people are still feeling uneasy about their ability to pay for future and current health care needs," said Risa Lavizzo-Mourey, president of the Johnson foundation.


The foundation is a philanthropy that seeks to improve the nation's health care. The data for the monthly index comes from a poll conducted by the University of Michigan's Survey Research Center.


The telephone poll of 508 people had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.4 percentage points.
 

MsSage

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Why should we settle for less than what Members of congress get?
We pay for theirs ..............if its good enough for them its good enough for us :D
 

garn

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Funny, they must not have asked me. It's not my problem if one is under insured or have no insurance at all.

I'll tell you what the problem is, what happened to seeing a doctor when your truly sick or truly need to see one? It seems like my wife sneezes and she goes running to the "Urgent Care" facility were no appointment is or is needed to see a doctor. Preventive care is one thing, but people go running to Urgent Care for trivial matters.

The insurance we have through my wife's work is quite expensive, but it's darn good ($10 copay's, zero copay for out patient surgery when my wife had carpal tunnel surgery, and when my son was born, a $50 copay covered my wife's prenatal care, labor, delivery, and 2 nights in the hospital).

I sure as hell don't want government involved with health care.
 

Sandhusker

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Why didn't you highlight the following?:
This survey comes as others have shown trouble for Obama on health care, including a Washington Post-ABC News survey released Monday that found approval of Obama's handling of health care reform slipping below 50 percent for the first time
 

Faster horses

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It's no wonder the White House is delaying release of the latest dismal budget figures. It's not just that they are grossly more dismal than the projections. It's that they will undercut already-waning public support for Obama's socialized medicine scheme.

The White House was supposed to release the budget numbers this month but has delayed their release until mid-August, which even has The Associated Press raising questions about its motives.




But you don't have to be in journalism to realize that Obama is playing hide the ball with the facts in his desperate rush to ramrod this disaster through Congress before the public wakes up. The latest Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that not only are Obama's disapproval ratings soaring but support for his health care debacle is now less than 49 percent -- a new low. And you can bet it will get much lower the more the public learns about his plan -- a plan whose promotion has been riddled with lies.

Why else would Obama, who was very tardy for his most recent news conference, arrogantly refuse to answer any questions following his terse, combative and defiant remarks about his plan? Is this the new transparency we can believe in?

Here are some inconvenient truths Obama must conceal from the American public:

--Despite White House-generated hysteria about the urgency of reform, the only urgency is in preventing this fiasco because it would destroy America's economy and liberty. Doing nothing -- even given the many problems that exist under the present system -- is far preferable to adopting this monster.

--Proponents claim the present system leaves 47 million people without insurance and unable to get it. Bull. Almost half of these uninsured could afford coverage but choose not to obtain it; almost half only remain uninsured for four months; and millions are noncitizens. Moreover, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that 17 million would remain uninsured (SET ITAL) after (END ITAL) the plan is implemented.

--Obama says his plan is not socialized medicine because he's just providing a "public option" to make the private insurers more competitive. Well, he's stacking the deck with mandated coverage -- which, by definition, reduces competition -- and subsidizing the public option. He would provide incentives to businesses to move employees to the public plan. Also, once you lose your insurance, your coverage choices would no longer be grandfathered, and you'd be forced to buy a plan that includes Big Brother's mandates -- meaning most would gravitate toward the government plan. A single-payer system is virtually inevitable

--The plan is being sold as a necessary element of reviving the economy. No one, including the Congressional Budget Office, believes this bill would improve our economy, and most believe it would exacerbate our problems. The bill, with its taxes on successful small businesses and its Draconian regulations, would destroy job creation, as would increases to the deficit and debt the bill would cause.

--Health care costs would not be reduced, but increased -- and shifted. Studies show that preventive care measures would not reduce costs. More importantly, the CBO says that even with the planned confiscatory taxes on higher-income earners (which no one can deny constitute real costs to them) and the penalties on employers who don't provide coverage, the plan would fall $239 billion short of covering its initial cost estimates of $1 trillion. And that's assuming everything goes well. But cost estimates for government programs are always understated. The actual costs for Medicare Part A were $67 billion, seven times higher than the government's 1965 projections of $9 billion. Even worse, the Medicaid special hospitals subsidy was $11 billion, more than 100 times the government's projection of $100 million in 1987, just years earlier. The only efforts at cost containment would come from artificial price controls, which would result in rationing -- most likely for the elderly.

--The quality of socialized health care would not be improved as promised, but would necessarily deteriorate, as it has in all countries that have tried it and in our own government-run experiments of veterans care, Medicaid and Medicare. It's inescapably true -- as noted by Dr. Thomas Sowell -- that price controls would reduce quality care because they would reduce the incentive to provide quality.

--Health care choices would not be expanded, but essentially eliminated, by government mandate. The White House isn't even denying it would force taxpayer-subsidized abortions.

The apathetic and complacent among us must understand that once this anti-American outrage is passed, it will be enormously difficult to reverse legislatively, even with decisive Republican congressional victories in 2010 -- a task made more difficult with ACORN's stimulus-fed election fraud operation firmly in place and an ever-growing dependency class voting itself money from the public trough. It will likely require supermajorities in both houses.

The time for action -- to stop this bill and institute much-needed market reforms -- is now!
 
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Sandhusker said:
Why didn't you highlight the following?:
This survey comes as others have shown trouble for Obama on health care, including a Washington Post-ABC News survey released Monday that found approval of Obama's handling of health care reform slipping below 50 percent for the first time

Because I thought this was more significant...I think people truly believe for the first time in 50 years some major health care reform will take place- and even hold some hope out for the party of "NO" to get off their duffs and actually do some work to help get it done....

Even many of the Repubs in D.C. can see and have commented that this country can never again be truly competitive or prosperous with Health Care and Insurance costs rising so much faster than the GDP or the average persons wage..

Researchers said they were unsure why the measure had ticked up, but said the bump was significant. They suggested it might be due to expectations that Washington will improve the health care system.



The survey, conducted by the nonpartisan Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, showed the public overwhelmingly considers President Barack Obama's drive to overhaul health care a crucial weapon in the battle to end the country's economic problems - one of the rationales he has used in his health care campaign. Eighty-five percent said it is important that Obama make reshaping health care part of his efforts to restore the economy.
 

Sandhusker

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You don't think it's significant that the public doesn't trust the one who is leading the charge - and the one's who's got the only proposal on the table, demanding it be railroaded through?
 

Faster horses

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Your sources are certainly different than mine, OT.
Guess we like being 'fed' differently.

Why is Obama in such a damn big hurry to get this through?
Doesn't that raise a little question in your mind?
It certainly does mine, ESPECIALLY since his approval rating
is dropping drastically.

He's afraid the American public is catching on to his LIES.
 

garn

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Faster horses said:
Your sources are certainly different than mine, OT.
Guess we like being 'fed' differently.

Why is Obama in such a damn big hurry to get this through?
Doesn't that raise a little question in your mind?
It certainly does mine, ESPECIALLY since his approval rating
is dropping drastically.

He's afraid the American public is catching on to his LIES.

I've thought about it as well. Something this big, so massive needs to be moved at a slow pace, but instead, Obama and company is intent on ramming this through in a matter of weeks.
 

MsSage

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Quote:
Researchers said they were unsure why the measure had ticked up, but said the bump was significant. They suggested it might be due to expectations that Washington will improve the health care system.




Quote:
The survey, conducted by the nonpartisan Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, showed the public overwhelmingly considers President Barack Obama's drive to overhaul health care a crucial weapon in the battle to end the country's economic problems - one of the rationales he has used in his health care campaign. Eighty-five percent said it is important that Obama make reshaping health care part of his efforts to restore the economy.
First who has REALLY read this bill all the way through? you cant understand and agree to something you dont know.....
as for the "survey" how many people were asked and what was the EXCECT question? you can word anything anyway to get the result you want.........
Come on judge start sifting through the BS and find the facts.........
Or is it your goal to stir the pot?
 
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Faster horses said:
Your sources are certainly different than mine, OT.
Guess we like being 'fed' differently.

Why is Obama in such a damn big hurry to get this through?
Doesn't that raise a little question in your mind?
It certainly does mine, ESPECIALLY since his approval rating
is dropping drastically.

He's afraid the American public is catching on to his LIES.

IF you saw the hundreds of court actions that monthly come thru even the little court I sit in- of medical providers suing for judgements on medical bills- and the number of people that are getting judgements against them that may spend a lifetime paying them off, and will live with no credit all their lives because of it---- or lose everything they own (including the farm) to pay the judgement---- or others that won't ever get them paid off---- and that still have no access to insurance--- you'd see the need for expediency.....

Medical reform has been worked on for 30 years- and these are all ideas/programs that have been developed over that many years...That doesn't seem hasty to me- now its time to put them into use...
 

Lonecowboy

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Oldtimer said:
Faster horses said:
Your sources are certainly different than mine, OT.
Guess we like being 'fed' differently.

Why is Obama in such a damn big hurry to get this through?
Doesn't that raise a little question in your mind?
It certainly does mine, ESPECIALLY since his approval rating
is dropping drastically.

He's afraid the American public is catching on to his LIES.

IF you saw the hundreds of court actions that monthly come thru even the little court I sit in- of medical providers suing for judgements on medical bills- and the number of people that are getting judgements against them that may spend a lifetime paying them off, and will live with no credit all their lives because of it---- or lose everything they own (including the farm) to pay the judgement---- or others that won't ever get them paid off---- and that still have no access to insurance--- you'd see the need for expediency.....

Medical reform has been worked on for 30 years- and these are all ideas/programs that have been developed over that many years...That doesn't seem hasty to me- now its time to put them into use...


maybe what we need is judiciary reform then!!

OT- where in the Constitution of the United States of America does congress get the authority for this "health care reform"?
 
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Lonecowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Faster horses said:
Your sources are certainly different than mine, OT.
Guess we like being 'fed' differently.

Why is Obama in such a damn big hurry to get this through?
Doesn't that raise a little question in your mind?
It certainly does mine, ESPECIALLY since his approval rating
is dropping drastically.

He's afraid the American public is catching on to his LIES.

IF you saw the hundreds of court actions that monthly come thru even the little court I sit in- of medical providers suing for judgements on medical bills- and the number of people that are getting judgements against them that may spend a lifetime paying them off, and will live with no credit all their lives because of it---- or lose everything they own (including the farm) to pay the judgement---- or others that won't ever get them paid off---- and that still have no access to insurance--- you'd see the need for expediency.....

Medical reform has been worked on for 30 years- and these are all ideas/programs that have been developed over that many years...That doesn't seem hasty to me- now its time to put them into use...


maybe what we need is judiciary reform then!!

OT- where in the Constitution of the United States of America does congress get the authority for this "health care reform"?


Article I
Section 1. All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
 
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MsSage said:
LEGISLATIVE POWER. The authority under the constitution to make laws and to alter or repeal them
Where is Health Care a law????

Just the same as their are laws requiring you to have a drivers license- or to have mandatory insurance on your vehicle- this bill is a makeup of laws regulating the health insurance industry...
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
Faster horses said:
Your sources are certainly different than mine, OT.
Guess we like being 'fed' differently.

Why is Obama in such a damn big hurry to get this through?
Doesn't that raise a little question in your mind?
It certainly does mine, ESPECIALLY since his approval rating
is dropping drastically.

He's afraid the American public is catching on to his LIES.

IF you saw the hundreds of court actions that monthly come thru even the little court I sit in- of medical providers suing for judgements on medical bills- and the number of people that are getting judgements against them that may spend a lifetime paying them off, and will live with no credit all their lives because of it---- or lose everything they own (including the farm) to pay the judgement---- or others that won't ever get them paid off---- and that still have no access to insurance--- you'd see the need for expediency.....
Medical reform has been worked on for 30 years- and these are all ideas/programs that have been developed over that many years...That doesn't seem hasty to me- now its time to put them into use...

OT ever heard of paying cash?? Hospitals work with those that will work with them. 99% of the folks coming before your court probably already have nothing but a car, a bad habit and no intention of paying for anything.
 

TexasBred

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From Rasmussen:

49% Oppose Health Care Reform Plan, 46% Favor ItMonday, July 13, 2009
Forty-nine percent (49%) of U.S. voters now at least somewhat oppose the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats, while 46% at least somewhat favor it, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.

Just two weeks ago, 50% were for the reform plan, and 45% were opposed.

The “nays” also continue to have the edge in terms of intensity. While 22% strongly favor the Democrats’ health care reform plan, 38% strongly oppose it, up four points from the previous survey.
Among those voters who have health insurance, opposition is even higher: 43% favor the plan, but 52% oppose it. Those who strongly oppose it outnumber those who strongly favor it by two-to-one – 40% to 20%.
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
IF you saw the hundreds of court actions that monthly come thru even the little court I sit in- of medical providers suing for judgements on medical bills- and the number of people that are getting judgements against them that may spend a lifetime paying them off, and will live with no credit all their lives because of it---- or lose everything they own (including the farm) to pay the judgement---- or others that won't ever get them paid off---- and that still have no access to insurance--- you'd see the need for expediency.....

Medical reform has been worked on for 30 years- and these are all ideas/programs that have been developed over that many years...That doesn't seem hasty to me- now its time to put them into use...


maybe what we need is judiciary reform then!!

OT- where in the Constitution of the United States of America does congress get the authority for this "health care reform"?


Article I
Section 1. All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.


You didn't answer the question OT- TRY TRY again!


10th ammendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 
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Lonecowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
maybe what we need is judiciary reform then!!

OT- where in the Constitution of the United States of America does congress get the authority for this "health care reform"?


Article I
Section 1. All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.


You didn't answer the question OT- TRY TRY again!


10th ammendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The Constitution says nothing in it anywhere about regulations and requirements for the airline industry and commercial planes- or the qualifications to be a commercial pilot flying passengers around the country- but Congress passed laws doing so...

I wonder why those founding fathers dummies didn't write those rules into the Constitution :???:
 
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