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MoGal

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Mike said:
I'm telling ya'll that none of this crap is worth the paper it is written on unless the borders are shut down & locked up tight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They are not going to do that because "they" want a North American Union.... and its one way to keep the American people in debt because these people will get government benefits.


Think about it, Congress said years ago that Americans must become more competitive with China..... the only way to compete with China is to lower the wages paid here..... and by allowing amnesty it will lower the wages here because these people are willing to work for less.......
 
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Anonymous

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ranch hand said:
First Oldtimer says the republicans need to change their views then he runs those down that do. I think he just likes to blame Bush!!

I definitely agree that the Republican party needs some changes or it will go the way of the dinosauer---BUT do you think agreeing to an Amnesty is the change they need :???:

Isn't this one of the major issues that sent the Repub party into a tail dive back in about 07- and had folks deserting Bush and McCain for being part of the Kennedy/Bush/McCain Amnesty bill :???:

What does the party base feel about this type idea :???: Or does that base and those principles not count anymore- and McCain is right that all that counts is getting elected- come He77 or High Water- and no matter to who they need to sell their souls to ... :???:
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
Isn't this one of the major issues that sent the Repub party into a tail dive back in about 07- and had folks deserting Bush and McCain for being part of the Kennedy/Bush/McCain Amnesty bill :???:

What does the party base feel about this type idea :???: Or does that base and those principles not count anymore- and McCain is right that all that counts is getting elected- come He77 or High Water- and no matter to who they need to sell their souls to ... :???:

You strut and pontificate like this is the 1st time anything like this has ever happened to either party in the history of the country. A lot of these folks have been against something before they were for it and vice versa. At least republicans recognize it and leave while democrats just grin and think "stick in me a little deeper...it hurts so good". :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
Isn't this one of the major issues that sent the Repub party into a tail dive back in about 07- and had folks deserting Bush and McCain for being part of the Kennedy/Bush/McCain Amnesty bill :???:

What does the party base feel about this type idea :???: Or does that base and those principles not count anymore- and McCain is right that all that counts is getting elected- come He77 or High Water- and no matter to who they need to sell their souls to ... :???:

You strut and pontificate like this is the 1st time anything like this has ever happened to either party in the history of the country. A lot of these folks have been against something before they were for it and vice versa. At least republicans recognize it and leave while democrats just grin and think "stick in me a little deeper...it hurts so good". :roll:

So I take it Rubio and McCain are off your lists again-eh :wink:
 

hopalong

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHH
right over oldtimers head AGAIN.......He just does not comprehend, so instead he makes up off the wall comments....
Thanks for my morning laugh oldtimer :D
 

flounder

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Oldtimer said:
Landscape shifts on immigration

By Alexander Bolton - 01/28/13 04:31 PM ET

A bipartisan group of senators on Monday said the political landscape for immigration reform has changed, boosting their hopes for passing a bill.

Recent elections have changed his party’s view on immigration, said Sen. John McCain, a Republican from Arizona who led an unsuccessful push to reform the nation’s immigration laws in 2006 and 2007.


McCain said his party’s leaders and strategists are convinced they need to agree to some measure of reform to boost the party’s image among Hispanic voters, who voted overwhelmingly for President Obama in November.

“As I’ve stated before, elections, elections,” said McCain,
who along with four colleagues spoke out at a Monday afternoon Capitol Hill press conference about a set of bipartisan principles for reform they had released with three other senators a day earlier.

“The Republican Party is losing the support of our Hispanic citizens, and we realize there are many issues in which we think we are in agreement with our Hispanic citizens, but this is a pre-eminent issue for those citizens,” said McCain, his party’s standard-bearer in the 2008 presidential election.


“We cannot continue as a nation with 11 million people residing in the shadows, and we have to address the issue and it has to be done in a bipartisan fashion,” McCain said.

McCain's point was underscored by Sen. Marco Rubio's (R-Fla.) participation in the bipartisan Senate group. Rubio is seen as a leading contender for his party's presidential nomination in 2016, and his endorsement of the proposals gives the group some cover from conservative criticism.

The four principles unveiled late Sunday include granting temporary legal status and creating a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants, increasing visas for skilled workers, establishing an employer verification program and setting up a guest-worker program for jobs that cannot be filled by American citizens.


Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/279711-landscape-shifts-on-immigration#ixzz2JK8OeuO6
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In the words of McCain- its all about elections, elections.. :wink:
Shows what I've thought was true about both parties for years- principles and what is or is not right for the country means nothing-- its all about getting elected...



exactly OT, proves what we have been saying all along, the rebublicans would sell their mama for a vote, and if that did not world, just rig the election, as with what they are trying to do, again, today.



How Swing-State Republicans Are Already Trying to Rig the Next Presidential Election


State lawmakers are pushing electoral changes that would effectively disenfranchise urban voters


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-swing-state-republicans-are-already-trying-to-rig-the-next-presidential-election-20130129



By Steven Hsieh
January 29, 2013 10:00 AM ETIt's no secret that the United States is undergoing a major demographic shift, and it doesn't bode well for Republicans' future presidential prospects. But rather than championing policies that appeal to America's increasingly diverse electorate, the GOP is opting for a strategy to suppress the voters they're afraid of.

Last election cycle, Rolling Stone contributor Ari Berman outlined the slew of tactics Republicans employed to block President Obama's base from getting to the polls – from racist voter ID laws to onerous limits on early voting. This effort failed miserably, and the president easily won re-election on the shoulders of students, blue-collar workers and people of color.

For Republicans, this apparently means revisiting the vote suppression drawing board. Republican legislators in several key states have devised a new plan to take back the White House in 2016: rigging the electoral system in favor of their party's presidential candidates.

Conservative lawmakers in five crucial swing states are pushing legislation that would apportion electoral votes by congressional district, instead of the traditional, winner-takes-all system currently used by all but two states. The GOP-controlled statehouses of Virginia, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are all reportedly considering plans to make the switch.

What do these five states have in common? They all voted for Obama in 2012, with significant support from non-white voters. The proposed electoral overhaul would dramatically strengthen the power of rural, white voters and stifle the voices of the urban residents who elected and re-elected our nation's first black president.

Consider the case of Michigan, a state that Obama won by more than 400,000 votes. The president received particularly strong support in Michigan districts 13 and 14, which together make up the city of Detroit. These districts contain millions of voters, who turn out to the polls at a substantially higher rate than many of their rural neighbors. Yet under the Republicans' proposed rules, each of the urban districts would get just one electoral vote, the same as any of Michigan's overwhelmingly white, rural districts. Mitt Romney would have swept those areas, carrying nine of Michigan's 16 electoral votes to Obama's seven, despite losing the state's popular vote by nearly 10 points. Detroit, where minorities make up 89 percent of the population, according to the 2010 Census, would have been rendered effectively irrelevant.

As commentators including The American Prospect's Jamelle Bouie and The Atlantic's Ta-Nehisi Coates have noted, these Republican proposals would drastically weaken the effectiveness of Democratic Get Out the Vote campaigns in urban areas. Votes in Detroit – or Cincinnati, or Richmond, or Milwaukee – simply would not count as much as votes in less diverse areas. It's a scary echo of the Jim Crow era, when racist lawmakers put restrictions in place to devalue African-American votes.

And this campaign isn't merely being waged by some lowly state senators. Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus is all for electoral rigging: "I think it's something that a lot of states th­at have been consistently blue that are fully controlled red ought to be looking at," he told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Last week, Virginia lawmakers made headlines by trying to sneak in a bill that would have enacted this type of deplorable change in the rules. The measure is so blatantly wrong-headed that even Virginia's Republican governor denounced it. But clearly, much more action is needed before we can be sure that Republicans won't succeed in changing the rules of democracy in their favor.



http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-swing-state-republicans-are-already-trying-to-rig-the-next-presidential-election-20130129
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
Isn't this one of the major issues that sent the Repub party into a tail dive back in about 07- and had folks deserting Bush and McCain for being part of the Kennedy/Bush/McCain Amnesty bill :???:

What does the party base feel about this type idea :???: Or does that base and those principles not count anymore- and McCain is right that all that counts is getting elected- come He77 or High Water- and no matter to who they need to sell their souls to ... :???:

You strut and pontificate like this is the 1st time anything like this has ever happened to either party in the history of the country. A lot of these folks have been against something before they were for it and vice versa. At least republicans recognize it and leave while democrats just grin and think "stick in me a little deeper...it hurts so good". :roll:

So I take it Rubio and McCain are off your lists again-eh :wink:

Said nothing about that....I said we recognize it contrary to people like you who seem to be numb and dumb when you're being screwed. You just keep grinning ....
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
Shows what I've thought was true about both parties for years- principles and what is or is not right for the country means nothing-- its all about getting elected...

:lol: You've got to have nuts the size of basketballs to be talking about principles. :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
TexasBred said:
You strut and pontificate like this is the 1st time anything like this has ever happened to either party in the history of the country. A lot of these folks have been against something before they were for it and vice versa. At least republicans recognize it and leave while democrats just grin and think "stick in me a little deeper...it hurts so good". :roll:

So I take it Rubio and McCain are off your lists again-eh :wink:

Said nothing about that....I said we recognize it contrary to people like you who seem to be numb and dumb when you're being screwed. You just keep grinning ....

So what you're going around in a circle and trying to say is that altho you were against the amnesty for illegals offered by Bush/McCain in 07-- you have now recognized that in order for Repubs to ever win another election you will give up your principles and support the immigration amnesty bill being presented by McCain/Rubio now :???:
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
So I take it Rubio and McCain are off your lists again-eh :wink:

Said nothing about that....I said we recognize it contrary to people like you who seem to be numb and dumb when you're being screwed. You just keep grinning ....

So what you're going around in a circle and trying to say is that altho you were against the amnesty for illegals offered by Bush/McCain in 07-- you have now recognized that in order for Repubs to ever win another election you will give up your principles and support the immigration amnesty bill being presented by McCain/Rubio now :???:

Have you got the balls to listen???
http://nation.foxnews.com/marco-rubio/2013/01/29/rubio-vs-limbaugh-immigration-reform
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
So I take it Rubio and McCain are off your lists again-eh :wink:

Said nothing about that....I said we recognize it contrary to people like you who seem to be numb and dumb when you're being screwed. You just keep grinning ....

So what you're going around in a circle and trying to say is that altho you were against the amnesty for illegals offered by Bush/McCain in 07-- you have now recognized that in order for Repubs to ever win another election you will give up your principles and support the immigration amnesty bill being presented by McCain/Rubio now :???:


I thought flounder claimed "recent" elections have changed McCain's views? :lol: :lol:


McCain has been a liberal for quite some time.

Rubio, has other motivations, and it ain't votes.

He's looking for "quality" immigrants, like any growing country should. but if you are regressing, like under Barry, then you slow immigration.


Back to Steve's post.

The Dems. are always looking for added revenue, so I think that before any "illegal", is granted the opportunity to become a citizen, they should first pay, all income taxes and other expenses incurred by the state they llive in, before being granted "amnesty".

We all want to be "fair", don't we?
 

Faster horses

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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
TexasBred said:
Said nothing about that....I said we recognize it contrary to people like you who seem to be numb and dumb when you're being screwed. You just keep grinning ....

So what you're going around in a circle and trying to say is that altho you were against the amnesty for illegals offered by Bush/McCain in 07-- you have now recognized that in order for Repubs to ever win another election you will give up your principles and support the immigration amnesty bill being presented by McCain/Rubio now :???:


I thought flounder claimed "recent" elections have changed McCain's views? :lol: :lol:


McCain has been a liberal for quite some time.

Rubio, has other motivations, and it ain't votes.

He's looking for "quality" immigrants, like any growing country should. but if you are regressing, like under Barry, then you slow immigration.


Back to Steve's post.

The Dems. are always looking for added revenue, so I think that before any "illegal", is granted the opportunity to become a citizen, they should first pay, all income taxes and other expenses incurred by the state they llive in, before being granted "amnesty".

We all want to be "fair", don't we?

Whoever would suggest that would be called racist.
Round and round it goes...
 

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