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An Honest Appeal

Work Hard and Study Hard

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Vote for Obama. We've had the Bush's and that's been great (sarcasm). Bill Clinton is very underrated on this board but he had his shot and I honestly believe Hillary won't change much.
This country has been waiting for a change for a long time, remember Perot, now we have the oportunity to elect someone with little political baggage and a chance to unite the parties. Is he black, YES. Is he the kind of black person most people would like to see as a benefit to the country YES. The current White Republican president has yet to benefit the farmers and ranchers of this country through his liberal use of FTA's and his blantent lack of job and food consumer safety. John McCain is an admirable war hero and I will never deny that. However the time has come for change and the staunche conservatives have a choice to make. You radicals can't elect Tom Tancredo, Duncan Hunter, or Mike Huckabee. What's it gonna be? What's Rush gonna do now??? The end of the old radical relegious right is near and it's about time. Our founding fathers specifically made a point to separate church and state, and that is very pertenant when we are trying to establish that very thing over in IRAQ. We can be one nation founded under god but to oppose that on another country who doesn't believe the same thing is hyprocitical of the very reason this country was founded. Vote for a change, vote for OMABA.
 

backhoeboogie

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Work Hard and Study Hard said:
This country has been waiting for a change for a long time,

WHSH, the county I live in had its very first Republican primary in 1972. First ever. 12 people cast votes. Now republicans hold office in every category. We have changed. It is about moral issues and ethics of the democrats. Just can't get on that band wagon.
 

Sandhusker

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Illegal immigration is a huge issue, and Obama is on the giveaway side of that. There's no way I can vote for somebody who doesn't understand what the "ILLEGAL" in Illegal alien means.

Also, he didnt' have the guts to say Move On was out of line with their "General Betrayus" crap. He kept quiet because he didn't want to offend a huge source of campaign funds - which means he has already shown that money will affect his judgement.

I can't vote for him. For me, it's either Ron Paul or my usual "none of the above" vote I'm getting used to because of the morons both parties nominate.

I think you also need to check on the seperation of church and state that all the liberals talk about - it's not what you think.
 
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Anonymous

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Work Hard and Study Hard said:
Vote for Obama. We've had the Bush's and that's been great (sarcasm). Bill Clinton is very underrated on this board but he had his shot and I honestly believe Hillary won't change much.
This country has been waiting for a change for a long time, remember Perot, now we have the oportunity to elect someone with little political baggage and a chance to unite the parties. Is he black, YES. Is he the kind of black person most people would like to see as a benefit to the country YES. The current White Republican president has yet to benefit the farmers and ranchers of this country through his liberal use of FTA's and his blantent lack of job and food consumer safety. John McCain is an admirable war hero and I will never deny that. However the time has come for change and the staunche conservatives have a choice to make. You radicals can't elect Tom Tancredo, Duncan Hunter, or Mike Huckabee. What's it gonna be? What's Rush gonna do now??? The end of the old radical relegious right is near and it's about time. Our founding fathers specifically made a point to separate church and state, and that is very pertenant when we are trying to establish that very thing over in IRAQ. We can be one nation founded under god but to oppose that on another country who doesn't believe the same thing is hyprocitical of the very reason this country was founded. Vote for a change, vote for OMABA.

Good for you. While I plan to support Hillary next week, I will be happy to vote for Obama if he's the Democratic candidate in November. From a Democratic values standpoint, there's little difference between the two.

Why Hillary over Obama? I honestly don't think he's mean enough to take on the Republicans in DC. And she is. God knows she has had to be tough as nails to take what the Republicans and the media (and Bill) have dumped on her for years. And still she's willing to run for president and can smile while she's doing it. I like that woman.

Talking about hope, uniting the country, uniting the parties is fine and dandy. But so far the Republicans don't seem to be interested in "uniting" for the good of the country. They've obstructed almost every program put forward by the Dems. I don't see any reason for them to change after November. There will probably be fewer of them in Congress, but I still don't see any Republican leaders willing to work with Democrats. We need new, tougher, leadership in the House and the Senate. And I think Hillary has the policial experience and toughness to do what needs to be done in the White House.
 

Sandhusker

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Pelosi was promised to be tough, decisive, make things work, etc... too. She turned out to be a vindictive old bag that caused more problems than she fixed.

How can you vote for Hillary considering all the baggage she carries? She clearly is not an honest person nor does she have any scruples or moral compass. She is in it for power and power alone.
 
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Sandhusker said:
Pelosi was promised to be tough, decisive, make things work, etc... too. She turned out to be a vindictive old bag that caused more problems than she fixed.

How can you vote for Hillary considering all the baggage she carries? She clearly is not an honest person nor does she have any scruples or moral compass. She is in it for power and power alone.

Show me where Hillary has been charged or convicted of anything in a court of law. She hans't. She's been lied about, insulted, demeaned, embarrased, for years and she's still out there, working to better the lives of Americans. I think she is an honest person. I think she's a tough person. I think she's the Republican machine's worst nightmare.

I don't think our government is totally broken. Bush tried his best to kill the government our forefathers created and generations have improved. He's turned most every cabinet department into a political machine to keep Republicans in power. He's incompetent or we'd be in more trouble than we are. I think with a larger Democratic Congress majority and a new president we can fix many of the problems this Administration is leaving us. If that new president is a Democrat, that's even better.
 

Red Robin

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ff said:
I think with a larger Democratic Congress majority and a new president we can fix many of the problems this Administration is leaving us. If that new president is a Democrat, that's even better.
I hear lots of talk from Democrats about "change" and "fix problems" and " improve" , care to give us some things that hillary or obama will address and the improvements they'll make?
 

don

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from here it looks as though hillary is the repubs' worst nightmare because she plays by their rules.
 
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Anonymous

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Red Robin said:
ff said:
I think with a larger Democratic Congress majority and a new president we can fix many of the problems this Administration is leaving us. If that new president is a Democrat, that's even better.
I hear lots of talk from Democrats about "change" and "fix problems" and " improve" , care to give us some things that hillary or obama will address and the improvements they'll make?

You're not hearing a lot of talk from me about "change" except to change the occupant of the White House. That's going to happen no matter who's elected. And I think there will be more Dems elected to Congress. Someone needs to fix the Justice Department. There are more and more cases turning up where state federal prosecutors have prosecuted innocent people for the benefit of Republican candidates in their state. The director of HUD publicly said he wouldn't talk to contractors who didn't vote for Bush. The list is too long. If you really want to know, go to Clinton or Obama's web sites and you'll find their plans and hopes for our country there. I haven't paid a lot of attention to the details, we're still in the primary season. I'm with Old Timer: no one could be worse than Bush.

I think/hope that most of the "change" you'll find from a Democratic president and Congress will be to address the incompetents the Bush Administration has put into high office in this country. And bring some Federal oversight back. The FDA, OSHA, EPA, almost all oversight agencies have been understaffed under this Administration to allow big business to run over smaller business and individuals. That's got to stop.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/10430.html
 
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One thing I can see right off the bat that Dems will do-- oversight and regulation back onto a runaway corporate/banking/importing world that is much of the cause for our current economic crisis- and has endangered the lives of numerous citizens with open trading allowing in tainted imports...

Other things they have plans for- that I have heard none of the Republicans talk to is to follow thru on some of GW Bush's promises--

#1 to do something about health care and health care insurance costs- and the guarantee that everyone can have access to health care- no matter what their preexisting condition is...

#2- Fund and hopefully fix social security..

#3--start using "fiscal sense"..If your going to fund it- make sure you have a source for the funding coming in...

#4-- Start using diplomacy in the world-- Not this "I'm the US- you do what I say or else" attitude now .....(By the time GW gets out of office we might not even be a superpower in the world anymore to be making any threats - we might have to kiss China's and Saudi Arabias' hineys to just get enough of a handout to keep afloat :roll: )

These used to be all Republican or GW campaign promises- that he did nothing about...Its only been since GW's term that Republicans thought they should be the worlds policemen- and have conquests around the world-and spend more than we make-- which is why the conservatives side of the party is having fits now ....

I heard several more conservatives on tv last night say that if McCain is the nominee- they will vote for Hillary- as she's more conservative :roll:
 
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Oldtimer said:
One thing I can see right off the bat that Dems will do-- oversight and regulation back onto a runaway corporate/banking/importing world that is much of the cause for our current economic crisis- and has endangered the lives of numerous citizens with open trading allowing in tainted imports...

Other things they have plans for- that I have heard none of the Republicans talk to is to follow thru on some of GW Bush's promises--

#1 to do something about health care and health care insurance costs- and the guarantee that everyone can have access to health care- no matter what their preexisting condition is...

#2- Fund and hopefully fix social security..

#3--start using "fiscal sense"..If your going to fund it- make sure you have a source for the funding coming in...

#4-- Start using diplomacy in the world-- Not this "I'm the US- you do what I say or else" attitude now .....(By the time GW gets out of office we might not even be a superpower in the world anymore to be making any threats - we might have to kiss China's and Saudi Arabias' hineys to just get enough of a handout to keep afloat :roll: )

These used to be all Republican or GW campaign promises- that he did nothing about...Its only been since GW's term that Republicans thought they should be the worlds policemen- and have conquests around the world-and spend more than we make-- which is why the conservatives side of the party is having fits now ....

I heard several more conservatives on tv last night say that if McCain is the nominee- they will vote for Hillary- as she's more conservative :roll:

Yeah, but some anti-McCain Republicans are starting to wiggle a bit as they see he's likely to be the candidate. When it comes to the nut cutting, I'll bet there will be lots of "conservatives" holding their noses and pulling the lever for McCain. :) Maybe even you?
 

Red Robin

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ff said:
Red Robin said:
ff said:
I think with a larger Democratic Congress majority and a new president we can fix many of the problems this Administration is leaving us. If that new president is a Democrat, that's even better.
I hear lots of talk from Democrats about "change" and "fix problems" and " improve" , care to give us some things that hillary or obama will address and the improvements they'll make?

You're not hearing a lot of talk from me about "change" except to change the occupant of the White House. That's going to happen no matter who's elected. And I think there will be more Dems elected to Congress. Someone needs to fix the Justice Department. There are more and more cases turning up where state federal prosecutors have prosecuted innocent people for the benefit of Republican candidates in their state. The director of HUD publicly said he wouldn't talk to contractors who didn't vote for Bush. The list is too long. If you really want to know, go to Clinton or Obama's web sites and you'll find their plans and hopes for our country there. I haven't paid a lot of attention to the details, we're still in the primary season. I'm with Old Timer: no one could be worse than Bush.

I think/hope that most of the "change" you'll find from a Democratic president and Congress will be to address the incompetents the Bush Administration has put into high office in this country. And bring some Federal oversight back. The FDA, OSHA, EPA, almost all oversight agencies have been understaffed under this Administration to allow big business to run over smaller business and individuals. That's got to stop.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/10430.html
Do the democratic candidates not have clear proposals? What are they for and against? Edit: I went to the website of obama since he'll likely be the candidate. Here's his proposal on the fuel situation. Any comments?

The Problem

Foreign Oil: America's 20-million-barrel-a-day oil habit costs our economy $1.4 billion a day, and $500 billion in 2006 alone. Every single hour, we spend $41 million on foreign oil.

Climate Change: As a result of climate change, glaciers are melting faster; the polar ice caps are shrinking; trees are blooming earlier; more people are dying in heat waves; species are migrating, and eventually many will become extinct.
Barack Obama's Plan
Reduce Carbon Emissions 80 Percent by 2050

* Cap and Trade: Obama supports implementation of a market-based cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions by the amount scientists say is necessary: 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050. Obama's cap-and-trade system will require all pollution credits to be auctioned. A 100 percent auction ensures that all polluters pay for every ton of emissions they release, rather than giving these emission rights away to coal and oil companies. Some of the revenue generated by auctioning allowances will be used to support the development of clean energy, to invest in energy efficiency improvements, and to address transition costs, including helping American workers affected by this economic transition.
* Confront Deforestation and Promote Carbon Sequestration: Obama will develop domestic incentives that reward forest owners, farmers, and ranchers when they plant trees, restore grasslands, or undertake farming practices that capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

Invest in a Clean Energy Future

* Invest $150 Billion over 10 Years in Clean Energy: Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial-scale renewable energy, invest in low-emissions coal plants, and begin the transition to a new digital electricity grid. A principal focus of this fund will be devoted to ensuring that technologies that are developed in the U.S. are rapidly commercialized in the U.S. and deployed around the globe.
* Double Energy Research and Development Funding: Obama will double science and research funding for clean energy projects including those that make use of our biomass, solar and wind resources.
* Invest in a Skilled Clean Technologies Workforce: Obama will use proceeds from the cap-and-trade auction program to invest in job training and transition programs to help workers and industries adapt to clean technology development and production. Obama will also create an energy-focused Green Jobs Corps to connect disconnected and disadvantaged youth with job skills for a high-growth industry.
* Convert our Manufacturing Centers into Clean Technology Leaders: Obama will establish a federal investment program to help manufacturing centers modernize and Americans learn the new skills they need to produce green products.
* Clean Technologies Deployment Venture Capital Fund: Obama will create a Clean Technologies Venture Capital Fund to fill a critical gap in U.S. technology development. Obama will invest $10 billion per year into this fund for five years. The fund will partner with existing investment funds and our National Laboratories to ensure that promising technologies move beyond the lab and are commercialized in the U.S
* Require 25 Percent of Renewable Electricity by 2025: Obama will establish a 25 percent federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources, like solar, wind and geothermal by 2025.
* Develop and Deploy Clean Coal Technology: Obama will significantly increase the resources devoted to the commercialization and deployment of low-carbon coal technologies. Obama will consider whatever policy tools are necessary, including standards that ban new traditional coal facilities, to ensure that we move quickly to commercialize and deploy low carbon coal technology.

Support Next Generation Biofuels

* Deploy Cellulosic Ethanol: Obama will invest federal resources, including tax incentives, cash prizes and government contracts into developing the most promising technologies with the goal of getting the first two billion gallons of cellulosic ethanol into the system by 2013.
* Expand Locally-Owned Biofuel Refineries: Less than 10 percent of new ethanol production today is from farmer-owned refineries. New ethanol refineries help jumpstart rural economies. Obama will create a number of incentives for local communities to invest in their biofuels refineries.
* Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard: Barack Obama will establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard to speed the introduction of low-carbon non-petroleum fuels. The standard requires fuels suppliers to reduce the carbon their fuel emits by ten percent by 2020.
* Increase Renewable Fuel Standard: Obama will require 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels to be included in the fuel supply by 2022 and will increase that to at least 60 billion gallons of advanced biofuels like cellulosic ethanol by 2030.

Set America on Path to Oil Independence

Obama's plan will reduce oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels per day, by 2030. This will more than offset the equivalent of the oil we would import from OPEC nations in 2030.

* Increase Fuel Economy Standards: Obama will double fuel economy standards within 18 years. His plan will provide retooling tax credits and loan guarantees for domestic auto plants and parts manufacturers, so that they can build new fuel-efficient cars rather than overseas companies. Obama will also invest in advanced vehicle technology such as advanced lightweight materials and new engines.

Improve Energy Efficiency 50 Percent by 2030

* Set National Building Efficiency Goals: Barack Obama will establish a goal of making all new buildings carbon neutral, or produce zero emissions, by 2030. He'll also establish a national goal of improving new building efficiency by 50 percent and existing building efficiency by 25 percent over the next decade to help us meet the 2030 goal.
* Establish a Grant Program for Early Adopters: Obama will create a competitive grant program to award those states and localities that take the first steps to implement new building codes that prioritize energy efficiency.
* Invest in a Digital Smart Grid: Obama will pursue a major investment in our utility grid to enable a tremendous increase in renewable generation and accommodate modern energy requirements, such as reliability, smart metering, and distributed storage

Restore U.S. Leadership on Climate Change

* Create New Forum of Largest Greenhouse Gas Emitters: Obama will create a Global Energy Forum — that includes all G-8 members plus Brazil, China, India, Mexico and South Africa –the largest energy consuming nations from both the developed and developing world. The forum would focus exclusively on global energy and environmental issues.
* Re-Engage with the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change: The UNFCCC process is the main international forum dedicated to addressing the climate problem and an Obama administration will work constructively within it.

Barack Obama's Record

* Renewable Fuels: Obama has worked on numerous efforts in the Senate to increase access to and use of renewable fuels. Obama passed legislation with Senator Jim Talent (R-MO) to give gas stations a tax credit for installing E85 ethanol refueling pumps. The tax credit covers 30 percent of the costs of switching one or more traditional petroleum pumps to E85, which is an 85 percent ethanol/15 percent gasoline blend. Obama also sponsored an amendment that became law providing $40 million for commercialization of a combined flexible fuel vehicle/hybrid car within five years.
* CAFE: Obama introduced a bold new plan that brought Republicans and Democrats, CAFE supporters and long-time opponents together in support of legislation that will gradually increase fuel economy standards and offer what the New York Times editorial page called "real as opposed to hypothetical results."
 

Work Hard and Study Hard

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It would be better for the Democrats to nominate Obama because he has crossover appeal. Even though many repubs don't like McCain they will vote for him because they hate Hillary so much.
 
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Anonymous

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Red Robin said:
ff said:
Red Robin said:
I hear lots of talk from Democrats about "change" and "fix problems" and " improve" , care to give us some things that hillary or obama will address and the improvements they'll make?

You're not hearing a lot of talk from me about "change" except to change the occupant of the White House. That's going to happen no matter who's elected. And I think there will be more Dems elected to Congress. Someone needs to fix the Justice Department. There are more and more cases turning up where state federal prosecutors have prosecuted innocent people for the benefit of Republican candidates in their state. The director of HUD publicly said he wouldn't talk to contractors who didn't vote for Bush. The list is too long. If you really want to know, go to Clinton or Obama's web sites and you'll find their plans and hopes for our country there. I haven't paid a lot of attention to the details, we're still in the primary season. I'm with Old Timer: no one could be worse than Bush.

I think/hope that most of the "change" you'll find from a Democratic president and Congress will be to address the incompetents the Bush Administration has put into high office in this country. And bring some Federal oversight back. The FDA, OSHA, EPA, almost all oversight agencies have been understaffed under this Administration to allow big business to run over smaller business and individuals. That's got to stop.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/10430.html
Do the democratic candidates not have clear proposals? What are they for and against?

Sure they have clear proposals. And there's not a lot of difference between the two candidates on their proposals. Both think Americans should have access to afforadable health care, both think we need to get our troops out of Iraq, both think the middle class needs some tax breaks, both think the Bush tax breaks for the wealthy should be allowed to expire, both think we need to pay down our Federal deficit.... There are differences between them on how to make these things happen, but not that they need to happen. As I said, I'm not paying a lot of attention to detail. Here are the websites. If you want to know, go and get it from the source. Oh, wait! I forgot that you like to get your info in an anonymous email from an unknown source. Silly me. :oops: Please forgive me for suggesting you actually read from the source. :roll:


www.hillaryclinton.com

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
 

Red Robin

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ff said:
Oh, wait! I forgot that you like to get your info in an anonymous email from an unknown source. Silly me. :oops: Please forgive me for suggesting you actually read from the source. :roll:
You find it difficult to be civil don't you. I edited my post. If you have constructive comments how your democratic candidate can help the U.S. then post them. I'm not the one saying they'll be so good for the U.S. I was simply asking you what they'll try to accomplish for the good of the country.
 

Red Robin

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Work Hard and Study Hard said:
It would be better for the Democrats to nominate Obama because he has crossover appeal. Even though many repubs don't like McCain they will vote for him because they hate Hillary so much.
I agree in part but one of the strongest democrats I know say they won't vote for obama . The reasons they listed were the fact he doesn't salute the flag, has muslim connections , goes to a church where they exalt louis ferrikan . There will be some that have those opinions. This very decided democrat actually said they would cross the party line and vote for McCain if Obama and McCain were the nominees.
 
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Anonymous

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Red Robin said:
ff said:
Oh, wait! I forgot that you like to get your info in an anonymous email from an unknown source. Silly me. :oops: Please forgive me for suggesting you actually read from the source. :roll:
You find it difficult to be civil don't you. I edited my post. If you have constructive comments how your democratic candidate can help the U.S. then post them. I'm not the one saying they'll be so good for the U.S. I was simply asking you what they'll try to accomplish for the good of the country.

Not generally. But I said that I'm not following the campaigns closely and I did add comments about what I believe they will do. You didn't bother to quote those comments. Need I say more?

I've given you the links to find out what you're asking from the source....the candidate. All you want to do is get someone to hand it to you on a platter. Just wait a while, I'm sure you'll get one of those emails spelling it out for you. :roll:
 

Red Robin

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ff said:
Red Robin said:
ff said:
Oh, wait! I forgot that you like to get your info in an anonymous email from an unknown source. Silly me. :oops: Please forgive me for suggesting you actually read from the source. :roll:
You find it difficult to be civil don't you. I edited my post. If you have constructive comments how your democratic candidate can help the U.S. then post them. I'm not the one saying they'll be so good for the U.S. I was simply asking you what they'll try to accomplish for the good of the country.

Not generally. But I said that I'm not following the campaigns closely and I did add comments about what I believe they will do. You didn't bother to quote those comments. Need I say more?

I've given you the links to find out what you're asking from the source....the candidate. All you want to do is get someone to hand it to you on a platter. Just wait a while, I'm sure you'll get one of those emails spelling it out for you. :roll:
I have no idea what emails you keep referring to. Care to explain? I just wonded if you or anyone else could explain the positions of obama that they liked or they were just yellow dog democrats that don't really have the knowledge required to make an informed choice.
 
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Work Hard and Study Hard said:
It would be better for the Democrats to nominate Obama because he has crossover appeal. Even though many repubs don't like McCain they will vote for him because they hate Hillary so much.

I appreciate you're not bashing Hillary as I'm not bashing Obama. I think we all should vote for the person we think can best lead this country and not worry too much if others like him/her. That's why I'm voting for Hillary. If Obama gets the Dem nod for President, I'll sure be glad to vote for him in November. Either way, I think the Democratic process wins. We've got two intelligent, experienced candidates. A black man and a woman.
 
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Red Robin said:
Work Hard and Study Hard said:
It would be better for the Democrats to nominate Obama because he has crossover appeal. Even though many repubs don't like McCain they will vote for him because they hate Hillary so much.
I agree in part but one of the strongest democrats I know say they won't vote for obama . The reasons they listed were the fact he doesn't salute the flag, has muslim connections , goes to a church where they exalt louis ferrikan . There will be some that have those opinions.

That "strongest democrat" should take some time to learn that his "facts" are, in fact, untrue. You're reading those anonymous emails again. :lol:
 
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