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Soapweed

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Triangle Bar said:
OT, there is no need to regurgitate your same arguments. It is still illegal at the fed level and I think the boot will be stomped on those who are in extreme violation but probably not the individual user.
The article I posted was about the ramifications of implementation... the foremost being DUI of marijuana. This is not the same pot that you grew up with. Like all drugs the more one uses it the less effect it has... and like all drugs its' potency has been increased over time by variety selection and other cultivation methods.

You have a multitude of vocations that are subject to drug testing. The CDL driver, equipment operator, train engineer, police officers, firefighters, doctors, etc, etc. What is a guaranteed safe level of THC in their blood stream? We know that THC is stored in body fat and is slowly released over time and it is detectable up to two weeks after ingestion. How does that effect motor control, memory recall, judgement, etc.?
I don't know. Do you? Do you care?

Forgive me but I find it hard to believe that apparently at one time you took an oath to 'protect and serve'.

Triangle Bar-- I served several years working drug violations- and we took down and imprisoned many violators...
And now more money than ever is being spent to combat drug crimes and build prisons...BUT it isn't working... The Drug Cartels and criminals are winning...They have more money and better equipment then the police... I watched a documentary the other day where the cartels now have fleets of submarines to smuggle in their dope...

Personally- I would like to see much more spent on education prevention and treatment... In Montana we have one program that has worked well- that was began by a Montana billionaire- but that needs to be strenghtened and continued:
http://montana.methproject.org/


Triangle Bar-Soapweed--What ideas do you guys have to keep us from losing this war on drugs...Lets hear some positive input rather than just all criticism....

We don't need more rules; we need less. However, we do need to enforce the rules that we have. Oldtimer, you consider yourself an Independent and not a follower of the "cults" of being Democrat or Republican. You can pat yourself on the back all day long on your "being your own man" "John Wayne" swaggering image of yourself, but your actions speak much louder than words. Actually, come to think of it, we haven't seen you in action, but we do have a chance to soak up your type-written words almost daily. In listening to your endless words, you are very much a Liberal Democrat.

As the line in the song goes: "You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything." In your own words: "The Drug Cartels and criminals are winning...They have more money and better equipment then the police..." Now you and most other Liberals think since we are having trouble winning the war on drugs, we should just "throw in the towel" and legalize it so it's no longer a problem. :roll: :? :???: :roll:

With the same wonderful Liberal slant on things, maybe all other crimes should also be made legal for the same reason. Then folks could steal, murder, rape, and pillage all they want, with no repercussions such as paying for their crimes. Are you thinking, "If you can't beat them, join them." ??? :roll:

The only rules any of us need to follow are the Ten Commandments, as put forth in God's Holy Word. If everyone followed the Ten Commandments, there would be no need for any other laws, rules, or regulations. The Liberals (this includes you) don't even want the Ten Commandments posted so people can read them. Possibly if more people had a chance to see the Ten Commandments, they might have opportunity to soak up some guidance for their lives. You and all other Liberals want to distance yourselves from any Christian principles whatsoever. The United States of America was established on Christian principles. God has given His blessing on this wonderful nation for more than 200 years. These blessings will cease to flow when we turn our backs on Him.

As an afterthought, Oldtimer, I will bet you fifty bucks you don't attend any church services today. If you do attend one hour of any church's service, I will give this church the fifty bucks. If you don't attend a church today, you won't owe me a thing. :wink:
 

cutterone

Well-known member
Maybe this explains our problems and the board's issues with OT.

Maybe We Really Can’t All Just Get Along
Derek Hunter

During the Los Angeles riots of 1992, Rodney King famously asked, “Can’t we all just get along?” The answer should be an easy and unequivocal “yes,” but it seems less and less likely these days.

King was speaking in term of race, but the same could be said of political ideology. Liberals, conservatives and every other point on the political spectrum used to co-exist fairly easily (with the exception of left-wing anarchists who don’t get along with anyone). But these days détente has given way to anger and open hostility.

Some, not all, people have become less civil to those with whom they disagree politically. The modern left, birthed with the start of the eugenics-loving, racist progressive movement at the turn of the 20th century, always has embraced, to varying degrees, the concept of silencing opponents. Through the factions of communism, socialism and fascism (all takes on the same philosophy), leftists have made continuous attempts to silence and punish anyone who doesn’t toe their line.
President Woodrow Wilson, a progressive hero, made it illegal to speak German in this country and, in the Sedition Act of 1917, outlawed the use of “disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language” against the government, flag or military. Wilson’s rabid racism and implementation of segregationist policies in the federal government are routinely ignored by progressives today. But they are all too real and did enormous and lasting damage to our nation.

But that was (and still is) what progressives stood for. They were the elites, the smartest the nation had to offer. And, as such, it was up to them to “improve” the world through government action. They were white, so blacks were inferior. They were smart, so anyone they deemed not to be was inferior, and so on. They believed certain “undesirable” people should be sterilized and thus bred out of existence.

Those deemed worthy or necessary to be allowed to continue to exist would be ruled by them because they, the progressives, quite simply knew better what people needed than the people themselves. Constitution be damned, they were “progressing” the human race.

Although their tactics have changed over time, their motivation and ultimate desires haven’t – they want control and don’t care who or what they destroy to get it.

Fast-forward to today. Progressives are in the process of seizing control of the health care system. Regulations and laws are making more and more businesses effective wards of the state functioning in the ever-narrowing window of what’s left of the free-market.

But it’s not just economics. The sentiments behind President Wilson’s Sedition Act are alive and well. They’re no longer embedded in government; they’ve moved to the media and academia. Speech codes limit not only the words students can use but their ability to express thoughts and opinions progressives deem unworthy. Progressive media outlets frame opposition to President Obama as racist in the hopes of scaring critics into silence.

Now this disparate world view and loyalty to ideology over country/liberty/reality is metastasizing into more places it will damage beyond repair.

Union workers voluntarily have driven Hostess out of business. Seems they’d rather have no pay than less pay, no pension over a restructured one. They commit economic suicide, and pampered, over-paid union bosses such as Richard Trumka blame the Bain Capitals of the world.

Even on something as serious as the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, progressives aren’t interested in facts. Calls for truth-seeking are met with cries of racism because UN Ambassador Susan Rice, the sacrificial lamb the president sent out to lie for him, happened to be black. These progressives are not remotely interested in why Rice lied to the American people about what happened that sad night, nor do they care about being lied to themselves. They care about their agenda. Lying to the contemptible masses is acceptable and encouraged because the unwashed masses don’t know what’s best for themselves anyway.

This “progressive” attitude toward reality is now amplified by the web of social media, which empowers the spread of their fact-lacking desires to once-unheard drones who parrot it unquestioned to the world. Like a cold virus on a plane, it spreads. The truth, or even a desire to find it (as in the case of Benghazi), immediately butts up against a wall of willful ignorance built by a left-wing industrial complex of moneyed interests and true believers. No amount of contradictory evidence can convince them what actually is if they wish it not to be.

The right has its own version of this suborn, wishfully ignorant army. But it is smaller with much less funding. The reason this hive-mindset doesn’t translate to the right is we are not all of like minds. Priorities to one conservative are not priorities to another. Diversity of opinion not only exists on the political right, it is encouraged. Nothing less would be accepted from a philosophy based on the individual.

The progressive left doesn’t suffer from intellectual diversity. In spite of its penchant for bumper stickers calling for questioning of authority, celebrating diversity and “tolerance,” progressives tolerate deviation from their prescribed norm like Hamas would tolerate the suggestion they observe Rosh Hashanah. That’s why there’s so little dissent from anything its leaders propose. No group of nearly 200 clear-thinking individuals who swore an oath to the Constitution and hoped to sway a majority of Americans to their cause would ever elect a radical San Francisco leftist their leader, yet Nancy Pelosi…

When Rodney King asked his famous question, we really could have all gotten along. But the intervening years saw the rejection of a liberal, almost moderate, left and the rebirth of a philosophy spawned from hatred and division with the sole goal of control. Although a great many Americans support this goal, the wool has been pulled over the eyes of many more who’ve been fooled into thinking liberty is a chip to be bartered for a crumb of pie rather than the key to making your own.

I opt against trading my liberty to sing kumbaya with those who seek to impose upon me that which I do not want because they deem it in my best interest. Our president can bow to anyone he wants, but I will no bow to him, nor will I bow to his ideological brethren. I will not bow to anyone. We can all get along, but as long as my opponents seek to deny me any of my liberty, I choose not to
 
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Anonymous

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Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
Triangle Bar said:
OT, there is no need to regurgitate your same arguments. It is still illegal at the fed level and I think the boot will be stomped on those who are in extreme violation but probably not the individual user.
The article I posted was about the ramifications of implementation... the foremost being DUI of marijuana. This is not the same pot that you grew up with. Like all drugs the more one uses it the less effect it has... and like all drugs its' potency has been increased over time by variety selection and other cultivation methods.

You have a multitude of vocations that are subject to drug testing. The CDL driver, equipment operator, train engineer, police officers, firefighters, doctors, etc, etc. What is a guaranteed safe level of THC in their blood stream? We know that THC is stored in body fat and is slowly released over time and it is detectable up to two weeks after ingestion. How does that effect motor control, memory recall, judgement, etc.?
I don't know. Do you? Do you care?

Forgive me but I find it hard to believe that apparently at one time you took an oath to 'protect and serve'.

Triangle Bar-- I served several years working drug violations- and we took down and imprisoned many violators...
And now more money than ever is being spent to combat drug crimes and build prisons...BUT it isn't working... The Drug Cartels and criminals are winning...They have more money and better equipment then the police... I watched a documentary the other day where the cartels now have fleets of submarines to smuggle in their dope...

Personally- I would like to see much more spent on education prevention and treatment... In Montana we have one program that has worked well- that was began by a Montana billionaire- but that needs to be strenghtened and continued:
http://montana.methproject.org/


Triangle Bar-Soapweed--What ideas do you guys have to keep us from losing this war on drugs...Lets hear some positive input rather than just all criticism....

We don't need more rules; we need less. However, we do need to enforce the rules that we have. Oldtimer, you consider yourself an Independent and not a follower of the "cults" of being Democrat or Republican. You can pat yourself on the back all day long on your "being your own man" "John Wayne" swaggering image of yourself, but your actions speak much louder than words. Actually, come to think of it, we haven't seen you in action, but we do have a chance to soak up your type-written words almost daily. In listening to your endless words, you are very much a Liberal Democrat.

As the line in the song goes: "You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything." In your own words: "The Drug Cartels and criminals are winning...They have more money and better equipment then the police..." Now you and most other Liberals think since we are having trouble winning the war on drugs, we should just "throw in the towel" and legalize it so it's no longer a problem. :roll: :? :???: :roll:

With the same wonderful Liberal slant on things, maybe all other crimes should also be made legal for the same reason. Then folks could steal, murder, rape, and pillage all they want, with no repercussions such as paying for their crimes. Are you thinking, "If you can't beat them, join them." ??? :roll:

The only rules any of us need to follow are the Ten Commandments, as put forth in God's Holy Word. If everyone followed the Ten Commandments, there would be no need for any other laws, rules, or regulations. The Liberals (this includes you) don't even want the Ten Commandments posted so people can read them. Possibly if more people had a chance to see the Ten Commandments, they might have opportunity to soak up some guidance for their lives. You and all other Liberals want to distance yourselves from any Christian principles whatsoever. The United States of America was established on Christian principles. God has given His blessing on this wonderful nation for more than 200 years. These blessings will cease to flow when we turn our backs on Him.

As an afterthought, Oldtimer, I will bet you fifty bucks you don't attend any church services today. If you do attend one hour of any church's service, I will give this church the fifty bucks. If you don't attend a church today, you won't owe me a thing. :wink:

Preach all you want Soap--BUT in other words- you're like all the others- and have no real answers to how to solve these problems of the real world- and namely the War on Drugs... We should just keep spending more tax dollars hiring more and more law enforcement and building more prisons...

BUT then we have to listen to folks like you whine and cry when anyone suggests raising your taxes to pay for these services :? :wink:

Since I spent years working seeing the real world while others sat in Church I've no longer needed a weekly Church visit to communicate with my God....If that is your need- so be it....
 

Soapweed

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
Triangle Bar-- I served several years working drug violations- and we took down and imprisoned many violators...
And now more money than ever is being spent to combat drug crimes and build prisons...BUT it isn't working... The Drug Cartels and criminals are winning...They have more money and better equipment then the police... I watched a documentary the other day where the cartels now have fleets of submarines to smuggle in their dope...

Personally- I would like to see much more spent on education prevention and treatment... In Montana we have one program that has worked well- that was began by a Montana billionaire- but that needs to be strenghtened and continued:
http://montana.methproject.org/


Triangle Bar-Soapweed--What ideas do you guys have to keep us from losing this war on drugs...Lets hear some positive input rather than just all criticism....

We don't need more rules; we need less. However, we do need to enforce the rules that we have. Oldtimer, you consider yourself an Independent and not a follower of the "cults" of being Democrat or Republican. You can pat yourself on the back all day long on your "being your own man" "John Wayne" swaggering image of yourself, but your actions speak much louder than words. Actually, come to think of it, we haven't seen you in action, but we do have a chance to soak up your type-written words almost daily. In listening to your endless words, you are very much a Liberal Democrat.

As the line in the song goes: "You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything." In your own words: "The Drug Cartels and criminals are winning...They have more money and better equipment then the police..." Now you and most other Liberals think since we are having trouble winning the war on drugs, we should just "throw in the towel" and legalize it so it's no longer a problem. :roll: :? :???: :roll:

With the same wonderful Liberal slant on things, maybe all other crimes should also be made legal for the same reason. Then folks could steal, murder, rape, and pillage all they want, with no repercussions such as paying for their crimes. Are you thinking, "If you can't beat them, join them." ??? :roll:

The only rules any of us need to follow are the Ten Commandments, as put forth in God's Holy Word. If everyone followed the Ten Commandments, there would be no need for any other laws, rules, or regulations. The Liberals (this includes you) don't even want the Ten Commandments posted so people can read them. Possibly if more people had a chance to see the Ten Commandments, they might have opportunity to soak up some guidance for their lives. You and all other Liberals want to distance yourselves from any Christian principles whatsoever. The United States of America was established on Christian principles. God has given His blessing on this wonderful nation for more than 200 years. These blessings will cease to flow when we turn our backs on Him.

As an afterthought, Oldtimer, I will bet you fifty bucks you don't attend any church services today. If you do attend one hour of any church's service, I will give this church the fifty bucks. If you don't attend a church today, you won't owe me a thing. :wink:

Preach all you want Soap--BUT in other words- you're like all the others- and have no real answers to how to solve these problems of the real world- and namely the War on Drugs... We should just keep spending more tax dollars hiring more and more law enforcement and building more prisons...

BUT then we have to listen to folks like you whine and cry when anyone suggests raising your taxes to pay for these services :? :wink:

Since I spent years working seeing the real world while others sat in Church I've no longer needed a weekly Church visit to communicate with my God....If that is your need- so be it....

That is your typical B.S. statement that I expected. Here is an example of where our taxes are going under the guidance of Liberal entitlement programs. Oh, what a productive society we have become.

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/11/22449-judge-judy-makes-incredible-entitlement-argument-send-this-tape-to-congress/
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
Soapweed said:
We don't need more rules; we need less. However, we do need to enforce the rules that we have. Oldtimer, you consider yourself an Independent and not a follower of the "cults" of being Democrat or Republican. You can pat yourself on the back all day long on your "being your own man" "John Wayne" swaggering image of yourself, but your actions speak much louder than words. Actually, come to think of it, we haven't seen you in action, but we do have a chance to soak up your type-written words almost daily. In listening to your endless words, you are very much a Liberal Democrat.

As the line in the song goes: "You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything." In your own words: "The Drug Cartels and criminals are winning...They have more money and better equipment then the police..." Now you and most other Liberals think since we are having trouble winning the war on drugs, we should just "throw in the towel" and legalize it so it's no longer a problem. :roll: :? :???: :roll:

With the same wonderful Liberal slant on things, maybe all other crimes should also be made legal for the same reason. Then folks could steal, murder, rape, and pillage all they want, with no repercussions such as paying for their crimes. Are you thinking, "If you can't beat them, join them." ??? :roll:

The only rules any of us need to follow are the Ten Commandments, as put forth in God's Holy Word. If everyone followed the Ten Commandments, there would be no need for any other laws, rules, or regulations. The Liberals (this includes you) don't even want the Ten Commandments posted so people can read them. Possibly if more people had a chance to see the Ten Commandments, they might have opportunity to soak up some guidance for their lives. You and all other Liberals want to distance yourselves from any Christian principles whatsoever. The United States of America was established on Christian principles. God has given His blessing on this wonderful nation for more than 200 years. These blessings will cease to flow when we turn our backs on Him.

As an afterthought, Oldtimer, I will bet you fifty bucks you don't attend any church services today. If you do attend one hour of any church's service, I will give this church the fifty bucks. If you don't attend a church today, you won't owe me a thing. :wink:

Preach all you want Soap--BUT in other words- you're like all the others- and have no real answers to how to solve these problems of the real world- and namely the War on Drugs... We should just keep spending more tax dollars hiring more and more law enforcement and building more prisons...

BUT then we have to listen to folks like you whine and cry when anyone suggests raising your taxes to pay for these services :? :wink:

Since I spent years working seeing the real world while others sat in Church I've no longer needed a weekly Church visit to communicate with my God....If that is your need- so be it....

That is your typical B.S. statement that I expected. Here is an example of where our taxes are going under the guidance of Liberal entitlement programs. Oh, what a productive society we have become.

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/11/22449-judge-judy-makes-incredible-entitlement-argument-send-this-tape-to-congress/

Blame me- Blame Liberals- Blame God-- that is the new Repub answer-- blame it all on someone--Say NO to any idea offered- but offer NO new ideas...
But none of that helps take care of the fact that the drug problem is worsening- and the drug cartels are winning....

YOU make a great Republican Cult follower...
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Blah Blah Blah from oldtimer!!!!!!'You are a pathitic old whiner

You get your butt handed to you and that is all you can give????
:roll:
 

Soapweed

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Blame me- Blame Liberals- Blame God-- that is the new Repub answer-- blame it all on someone--Say NO to any idea offered- but offer NO new ideas...


But none of that helps take care of the fact that the drug problem is worsening- and the drug cartels are winning....

YOU make a great Republican Cult follower...

And you think a "new idea" and the "solution" is to just make a blatant crime legal. What a dufus.

Yes, I am a Republican and proud of it. It is you who can't even discuss the words Democrat or Republican without adding the word "cult."

For your information, here is the definition of the word "cult," and I don't think your meaning applies.

Definition of cult (n)

bing.com · Bing Dictionary



cult

[ kult ]


1.religion: a system of religious or spiritual beliefs, especially an informal and transient belief system regarded by others as misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false, and directed by a charismatic, authoritarian leader

2.religious group: a group of people who share religious or spiritual beliefs, especially beliefs regarded by others as misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false

3.idolization of somebody or something: an extreme or excessive admiration for a person, philosophy of life, or activity

Synonyms: trendy, offbeat, alternative, out of the ordinary, unusual


I don't think being a Republican would be considered trendy, offbeat, alternative, out of the ordinary, or unusual. See if possibly you can come up with a whole new word to abuse.
 

gmacbeef

Well-known member
Oltimer wrote:Blame me- Blame Liberals- Blame God-- that is the new Repub answer-- blame it all on someone-- This is GREAT ! Oblamea's biigest supporter on here saying this, while his IDOL is the biggest blamer of all time. :lol:
 

Soapweed

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Soap--BUT in other words- you're like all the others- and have no real answers to how to solve these problems of the real world- and namely the War on Drugs... We should just keep spending more tax dollars hiring more and more law enforcement and building more prisons...

BUT then we have to listen to folks like you whine and cry when anyone suggests raising your taxes to pay for these services :? :wink:

If taxes were lowered on productive businesses, more people would have jobs. People could get off of unemployment and once again become productive citizens. They would be earning wages, paying taxes, feel good about themselves, and have much less idle time to devote to using drugs. It would be win, win for everyone. Mitt Romney has the ability that he could have made this scenario come about had he been elected president. Instead we get a repeat of the last four years, and the next four will be even less pretty. Oldtimer, even though you pride yourself on being a free-thinking Independent (yeah, right, like a hog on ice :roll: ), your vote for Gary Johnson didn't in any way help the situation at hand.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
Blame me- Blame Liberals- Blame God-- that is the new Repub answer-- blame it all on someone--Say NO to any idea offered- but offer NO new ideas...


But none of that helps take care of the fact that the drug problem is worsening- and the drug cartels are winning....

YOU make a great Republican Cult follower...

And you think a "new idea" and the "solution" is to just make a blatant crime legal. What a dufus.

Yes, I am a Republican and proud of it. It is you who can't even discuss the words Democrat or Republican without adding the word "cult."

For your information, here is the definition of the word "cult," and I don't think your meaning applies.

Definition of cult (n)

bing.com · Bing Dictionary



cult

[ kult ]


1.religion: a system of religious or spiritual beliefs, especially an informal and transient belief system regarded by others as misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false, and directed by a charismatic, authoritarian leader

2.religious group: a group of people who share religious or spiritual beliefs, especially beliefs regarded by others as misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false

3.idolization of somebody or something: an extreme or excessive admiration for a person, philosophy of life, or activity

Synonyms: trendy, offbeat, alternative, out of the ordinary, unusual


I don't think being a Republican would be considered trendy, offbeat, alternative, out of the ordinary, or unusual. See if possibly you can come up with a whole new word to abuse.

Thing is- that for the major portion of this countries history- it wasn't a crime... Not until 1937- when it was outlawed by a Tax Act passed by FDR at the bequest of prohibitionists dogooders mainly because of its usage amongst the Mexicans and blacks...In the 70's- Nixon (in his paranoia that the flower children were going to overthrow his country) made it a Schedule 1 drug (same as heroin and LSD)....

The thing I fear now- is that the Mexican/South American drug cartels are profitting so much from the sale of drugs that they have taken over much of the major criminal activity in the US... They now control most the drug sales, credit card theft rings, identity theft, and other major scams in the US...They are the Al Capone type mobs of yesteryear that got big off bootlegging prohibition alcohol... But for ruthlessness and violence they make the 30's gangsters look like choirboys...


invasion_of_the_drug_cartels.jpg


For several years its been the Libertarian platform to legalize marijuana taking away the ability for these cartels/mobs to make high profits-- regulate it just like alcohol and tobacco are regulated-- tax it- and use the tax income to provide drug education, treatment and enforcement ...

Just like with prohibition and booze- you take away the profitability- and that criminal activity drys up.... For years it was one of the Libertarian platforms I disagreed with- BUT as drug violence worsens around the nation- the cartels get more of a foothold in our country- and it appears we have totally lost the war on drugs declared back in the 70's-- I think this is an option we need to look further at...


Soap-- I have no real problem with the cults or someone being a follower of a cult- as long as they can maintain their ability to think beyond what their cult leaders tell them to think and see beyond what they tell them to see... So many (in both cults) anymore don't seem to be able to do that....
 

redrobin

Well-known member
The real problem is sin. Legalizing immorality, alcohol, drugs, sodomy, laziness, etc. doesn't make it ok with God. It's still sin.
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
"The thing I fear now- is that the Mexican/South American drug cartels are profitting so much from the sale of drugs that they have taken over much of the major criminal activity in the US... They now control most the drug sales, credit card theft rings, identity theft, and other major scams in the US...They are the Al Capone type mobs of yesteryear that got big off bootlegging prohibition alcohol... But for ruthlessness and violence they make the 30's gangsters look like choirboys..."

This is odd for you, OT. Usually things like this make you chuckle.





"Soap-- I have no real problem with the cults or someone being a follower of a cult- as long as they can maintain their ability to think beyond what their cult leaders tell them to think and see beyond what they tell them to see... So many (in both cults) anymore don't seem to be able to do that...."





And you fall into this catagory as much or MORE than most.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
redrobin said:
The real problem is sin. Legalizing immorality, alcohol, drugs, sodomy, laziness, etc. doesn't make it ok with God. It's still sin.

"What the country needs is dirtier fingernails and cleaner minds."

-- Will Rogers

Which brings to question is cleaner minds (morality, sinning, etal) the job of government-- or should that be the responsibility of the Preachers and Churchs :???:

What say you Red Robin..
 

Martin Jr.

Well-known member
No, it is not the responsibility of the government, or the preachers or the churches.

It is the responsibility of the general public, most importantly the parents, and must be guided by the laws of our God in heaven.
Going to church, praying, setting a good example, are all very important in this.
The government should not be making laws that lead us to be at odds with our religion or the laws of God.
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
Martin Jr. said:
No, it is not the responsibility of the government, or the preachers or the churches.

It is the responsibility of the general public, most importantly the parents, and must be guided by the laws of our God in heaven.
Going to church, praying, setting a good example, are all very important in this.
The government should not be making laws that lead us to be at odds with our religion or the laws of God.

You said it, Martin, and you said it well. :tiphat:
 
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