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Mike said:
Wrong Fatsquatch. And you know it.

OT wrote:
Long recognized at Common law, the Fleeing Felon Rule permits the use of force, including deadly force, against an individual who is suspected of a felony and is in clear flight...


Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Read your own words, WEASEL. :roll:

Long recognized at Common law, the Fleeing Felon Rule permits the use of force, including deadly force, against an individual who is suspected of a felony and is in clear flight...

The courts in some areas have added that law enforcement has the right by law to use deadly/lethal force to prevent the escape of a felon that the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."

Your nitpicking again Triple K... And taking comments out of context...
 

Mike

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You're caught lying again:
The
Court commented that, "Whenever an officer restrains the freedom of a person to walk away, he
has seized that person . . . there can be no question that application of deadly force is a seizure
subject to the reasonableness requirement of the Fourth Amendment." This case essentially
abolished the over-broad use of the "fleeing felon" doctrine by striking down the use of "all
necessary means" to apprehend fleeing suspects. For example, deadly force may not be used
against a fleeing felon unless the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a
significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. Thus, a purse
snatcher, who appears unarmed, and jumps over a fence, shouldn't be shot in the back.

Which is what happened to Aw-laki, he was shot in the back. By your boy, Buckwheat. He was not posing a danger to Buckwheat nor the people immediately around Aw-laki at the time.
 
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Mike said:
You're caught lying again:
The
Court commented that, "Whenever an officer restrains the freedom of a person to walk away, he
has seized that person . . . there can be no question that application of deadly force is a seizure
subject to the reasonableness requirement of the Fourth Amendment." This case essentially
abolished the over-broad use of the "fleeing felon" doctrine by striking down the use of "all
necessary means" to apprehend fleeing suspects. For example, deadly force may not be used
against a fleeing felon unless the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a
significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.
Thus, a purse
snatcher, who appears unarmed, and jumps over a fence, shouldn't be shot in the back
.

Which is what happened to Aw-laki, he was shot in the back. By your boy, Buckwheat.

Bull-Puckey-- Awlaki was a self admitted felon who was on the Top 10 Wanted list of dangerous terrorists/criminals around the world...Conspiracy to commit murder is a felony anywhere I've ever seen.... Even the rightwing's propaganda station FAUX News has said they found evidence tying him as a conspirator on the 9/11 incident...



Anwar al-Awlaki is the US-born leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula (AQAP) - a 300-strong band of ferociously dedicated fighters living in the mountains of Yemen. He was recently named as "the most dangerous man in the world" by a US security official.

Under al-Awlaki's leadership, AQAP has become the most active al-Qaeda cell on the planet, claiming responsibility for the attempted airline bombings on Christmas Day 2009 and a foiled plot to send parcel bombs into the US in October of the same year.

Al-Awlaki is also thought to be involved in the Fort Hood shootings in 2009, where a US army major went on a rampage, killing 13 innocent people.


He'd had every chance over a period of time to surrender and face a jury instead he chose to flee and stay on the run committing more criminal acts... Only an absolute moron would argue that he didn't fit the description of someone " the government had probable cause to believe that posed a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer(s) or others" (namely anyone in the world that happened to be the victim(s) in his next terrorist act).....
 

Mike

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You got the wrong Aw-laki there Fatlock. Tell me the Fleeing Felony Rule covers this one.

Abdulrahman al-Awlaki

Anwar al-Awlaki and Egyptian-born Gihan Mohsen Baker had an American son, born on September 13, 1995, in Denver, named Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki. Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was killed at the age of 16 in an American drone strike on October 14, 2011, in Yemen, along with alleged al-Qaeda members two weeks after the death of his father. Nine other people were killed in the same CIA-led attack. Among the dead was a 17-year-old cousin of Abdulrahman.[253] According to U.S. officials, the killing of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was a mistake; the actual target was an Egyptian, Ibrahim al-Banna. Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was reported to have gone out in the desert to search for his missing father but was sitting in a cafe when he was killed. Human rights groups have raised questions as to why an American citizen was killed by the U.S. in a country with which the United States is not at war. Abdulrahman al-Awlaki had no connection to terrorism.
 
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Anwar al-Awlaki Fast Facts


By CNN Library

updated 11:25 AM EDT, Fri August 23, 2013





(CNN) -- Here is a look into the life of Anwar al-Awlaki, American-born Muslim scholar and cleric who acted as a spokesperson for al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

Personal:
Birth date: April 21, 1971

Death date: September 30, 2011

Birth place: Las Cruces, New Mexico

Birth name: Anwar al-Awlaki

Father: Nasser al-Awlaki (a former government minister and university president)

Marriage: Married to a cousin (1994-September 30, 2011, his death)

Children: Five (some sources say three)

Education: Colorado State University, B.S. in Civil Engineering; San Diego State University, Masters in Education; George Washington University, attended a Ph.D. Human Resources program

Other Facts:
Lived in the United States until age seven when his family returned to Yemen. Al-Awlaki returned to the United States in 1991 for college and remained until 2002. He then briefly lived in London before returning to Yemen.

Was arrested in San Diego in 1996 and 1997 for soliciting prostitutes.

As an imam in California and Virginia, al-Awlaki preached to and interacted with three of the 9/11 hijackers according to the 9/11 Commission Report. He publicly condemned the attacks afterward.

Spent 18 months in a Yemeni prison in 2006-2007 on kidnapping charges, but was released without going to trial. Al-Awlaki claims that he was imprisoned and held at the request of the United States.

Civil rights groups ACLU and CCR (Center for Constitutional Rights) filed lawsuits on behalf of Nasser al-Awlaki, seeking to prevent the United States from killing his son in a targeted assassination.

Timeline:
November 5, 2009 - Army Major Nidal Hasan kills 13 fellow soldiers at Fort Hood. Al-Awlaki is suspected of communicating with Hasan, according to the United States government.

December 25, 2009 - Date of the failed plot to bring down a jetliner over Detroit. Al-Awlaki is suspected of directing the plot, according to the United States government.

2010 - The U.S. Treasury Department names al-Awlaki a specially designated global terrorist.

November 2, 2010 - Is formally charged in absentia with incitement to kill foreigners by Yemeni prosecutors. Charges stem from his connection to suspects in the Christmas Day airline bombing attempt and the Ft. Hood shooting.

January 17, 2011 - A Yemeni court sentences in absentia al-Awlaki to 10 years in prison for charges of inciting to kill foreigners.

May 6, 2011 - A U.S. official tells CNN that al-Awlaki was targeted by a missile strike from a military drone within the last two days. He was not injured, but two al Qaeda operatives were killed.

September 30, 2011 - Is targeted and killed eight kilometers from the town of Khashef in the Province of Jawf by a CIA drone strike.


Nope this is the one that was purposely killed...
There have been several other US or dual citizens that have been killed accidentally when they were with other targeted terrorists...

The Obama administration has admitted for the first time to killing four U.S. citizens in drone strikes overseas. Three died in Yemen: the Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, his 16-year-old son Abdulrahman al-Awlaki and Samir Khan. A fourth, Jude Kenan Mohammad — whose death was not previously reported — was killed in Pakistan. In a letter to Congress, Attorney General Eric Holder suggested that all but the attack on the elder al-Awlaki were accidental, saying the other three "were not specifically targeted."

According to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, U.S. drone strikes have killed as many as 3,900 people in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia since 2002. Most of the deaths occurred under President Obama.

War produces civilian casualties- and collateral damage... Our technology has developed to where we can make strikes with great precision- but not without mistakes.... Just like often when police are in a gunfight with a bad guy- sometimes an innocent civilian bystander is hit...
 

Mike

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Just like you, lies, and you know it. :lol:
But the reporter pressed him, noting that the teen had not renounced his citizenship and was underage. The Atlantic suggests that if Press Secretary Robert Gibbs is giving the genuine rationale for the killing, it's grounds for impeachment.

"Again, note that this kid wasn't killed in the same drone strike as his father," writes The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf. "He was hit by a drone strike elsewhere, and by the time he was killed, his father had already been dead for two weeks. Gibbs nevertheless defends the strike, not by arguing that the kid was a threat, or that killing him was an accident, but by saying that his late father irresponsibly joined al Qaeda terrorists. Killing an American citizen without due process on that logic ought to be grounds for impeachment."

Friedersdorf also notes the distinction that al-Awlaki's son was not killed as a consequence of the strike against the father, but was hit separately. Esquire's Tom Junod covered the son's killing:



He was a boy who hadn't seen his father in two years, since his father had gone into hiding. He was a boy who knew his father was on an American kill list and who snuck out of his family's home in the early morning hours of September 4, 2011, to try to find him. He was a boy who was still searching for his father when his father was killed, and who, on the night he himself was killed, was saying goodbye to the second cousin with whom he'd lived while on his search, and the friends he'd made. He was a boy among boys, then; a boy among boys eating dinner by an open fire along the side of a road when an American drone came out of the sky and fired the missiles that killed them all.





Gibbs' comments were released the same day The Washington Post published an expose on the White House's growing database of people it believes it has the authority to kill without trial.

The American Civil Liberties Union warned Wednesday in a response that the policy of "bureaucratized paramilitary killing" is illegal and will backfire.

"Anyone who thought U.S. targeted killing outside of armed conflict was a narrow, emergency-based exception to the requirement of due process before a death sentence is being proven conclusively wrong," said Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project, in a statement. "The danger of dispensing with due process is obvious because without it, we cannot be assured that the people in the government's death database truly present a concrete, imminent threat to the country. What we do know is that tragic mistakes have been made, hundreds of civilian bystanders have died, and our government has even killed a 16-year-old U.S. citizen without acknowledging, let alone explaining his death. A bureaucratized paramilitary killing program that targets people far from any battlefield is not just unlawful, it will create more enemies than it kills."
 

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