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An Opinion on Healthcare

Mike

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Because Mr. Obama has incorrectly diagnosed the problems with our health-care system, any reform based on his priorities would worsen the current inefficiencies. Americans would pay even more for lower quality and less access to care. This doesn’t sound like reform we can believe in.

For once I agree with something you post. Thanks. :wink:
 

alice

Well-known member
This makes a ton more sense that what is being pushed, shoved, and forced thru congress...and down our throats.

Alice
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
Mike said:
Because Mr. Obama has incorrectly diagnosed the problems with our health-care system, any reform based on his priorities would worsen the current inefficiencies. Americans would pay even more for lower quality and less access to care. This doesn’t sound like reform we can believe in.

For once I agree with something you post. Thanks. :wink:

But this one actually says Obama "incorrectly diagnosed" versus he was misinformed etc.
 

Mike

Well-known member
alice said:
This makes a ton more sense that what is being pushed, shoved, and forced thru congress...and down our throats.

Alice

The world may be coming to an end, but I agree with alice also. :lol:

I'll be sure to watch out the rest of the day for anomalies to the normal.
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
reader (the Second) said:
backhoeboogie said:
Mike said:
For once I agree with something you post. Thanks. :wink:

But this one actually says Obama "incorrectly diagnosed" versus he was misinformed etc.

I believe that they have an army of young analysts and think tanks looking at all these issues. They likely weigh different options but then go forward with a recommendation or else someone in the higher up chain goes with a particular option. Not necessarily the right option nor for the right reason. Obama can't make a thousand and one decisions single handedly. He would not have the time to digest all the data and analyses. He could and is and will be misinformed or misguided some of the time. It's par for the course with executives in the government and in business.

I think he is making a" thousand and one decisions single handedly" and that's the problem. He has an agenda and it doesn't have to make sense he only THINKS it makes sense.
 

Tam

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This article is right once people are removed from the true cost of something they stop caring what it costs and the cost will go up. Obama has to get off the idea he can provide everything for everyone as no government can do that and keep cost down and still provide quality care. Just ask anyone sitting on a waiting list here is Canada.
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
waiting list?

how about having your name in a brightly colored box with a bow on it, like it's some sort of Christmas gift to be picked to see the "next available" family doctor?

and no other option.
 

Tam

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
waiting list?

how about having your name in a brightly colored box with a bow on it, like it's some sort of Christmas gift to be picked to see the "next available" family doctor?

and no other option.

Oh come on you know that doesn't happen here in Canada we have plenty of good doctors just waiting to take care of your every needs.
There since Nonothing and Mrs Greg don't seem to be around to correct you I guess I'll just have to say it for them. How did I do. :wink:

And you are of course right as to get on the waiting list you actually have to have a family doctor of which over 4 million Canadians don't have. NOW THAT IS GOVERNMENT PAID FOR QUALITY CARE. :wink:
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
What is crazy about this Health care reform is, the ones that will pay the price is the elderly, and most of them have paid their dues and paid over the past few years. But now they will be asked for duty to die so that illegal immigrants and lazy people that are not willing to get out and work and pay for their own Health insurance.

How can liberals justify giving a portion of those health care at the cost of those that will lose health care?

Seems kind of Hypocritical if you ask me! Why is it Liberals always come back around to Hypocrisy?

And for those that do not think this will happen, it is already happening! Medicare is being cut and services to the elderly already is being cut. But somehow they want us to believe they will not do the same thing to us as they already are doing to the elderly!

How stupid can people be? It is already proven the Government is cutting elderly health care in their current Government ran health care program, medicare!
 

hypocritexposer

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Why would you turn your body and mind over to the government? How often have we been lectured by the radical pro-abortion crowd about the right to privacy? How often have we been lectured about the right to choose? How often have we been lectured about our own bodies being our own temples? How often have we heard these lectures? And yet, here we are, when it comes to government-run health care, we’re told to open up everything to the government. All our medical records, all our medical decisions, you’re gonna hand them to Barney Frank. You’re gonna hand them to John Kerry, to Barack Obama and his henchmen. What happened to privacy rights? What happened to the right to choose? What happened to our own bodies? What happened to the bedroom, where the government’s not supposed to go? Only applies to abortion? Doesn’t apply to hemmorhoids? Doesn’t apply to heart surgery, diabetes, kidneys, you name it?

This battle’s engaged and we’re not backing down. I don’t care how much money, I don’t care how many union hacks, I don’t care how many ACORN brownshirts. I don’t care! … You know exactly what we’re confronting, you know exactly who we’re confronting, because you are the antidote to Saul Alinsky. You are the Paul Reveres. Let the Left carry around Rules for Radicals; you carry around Liberty and Tyranny, because you know what liberty is, you know what a blessing it is. And you know what tyranny is too, and you know what an evil it is.

Government-run health care is not about health care … Twenty years from now, if this passes, … you won’t recognize your country. If you have a severe illness, you will have to beg your Senator and Congressman for help. That’s what they want you to do. They want you to beg them for help. They want you on your knees. They want you to be completely and utterly disspirited. That’s what this battle’s over.

http://vocalminority.typepad.com/blog/2009/08/listen-learn-mark-levin-says-your-government-has-declared-war-against-you.html
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
What is crazy about this Health care reform is, the ones that will pay the price is the elderly, and most of them have paid their dues and paid over the past few years. But now they will be asked for duty to die so that illegal immigrants and lazy people that are not willing to get out and work and pay for their own Health insurance.

How can liberals justify giving a portion of those health care at the cost of those that will lose health care?

Seems kind of Hypocritical if you ask me! Why is it Liberals always come back around to Hypocrisy?

And for those that do not think this will happen, it is already happening! Medicare is being cut and services to the elderly already is being cut. But somehow they want us to believe they will not do the same thing to us as they already are doing to the elderly!

How stupid can people be? It is already proven the Government is cutting elderly health care in their current Government ran health care program, medicare!

bump for liberals. Can you explain how the Government can run everyone's health care if they can not currently run medicare? Seems that is a pretty good example of how things will be!

When you have a kid that is starting to drive, you let them drive on short trips to see if you can trust them in future on long trips.

Well the Government has failed on the short trip of Medicare, they need to park the car and never try to drive on the long trip!
 

TexasBred

Well-known member
reader (the Second) said:
backhoeboogie said:
Mike said:
For once I agree with something you post. Thanks. :wink:

But this one actually says Obama "incorrectly diagnosed" versus he was misinformed etc.

I believe that they have an army of young analysts and think tanks looking at all these issues. They likely weigh different options but then go forward with a recommendation or else someone in the higher up chain goes with a particular option. Not necessarily the right option nor for the right reason. Obama can't make a thousand and one decisions single handedly. He would not have the time to digest all the data and analyses. He could and is and will be misinformed or misguided some of the time. It's par for the course with executives in the government and in business.

I doubt he could digest it all, even tho he is referred to as " a brilliant thinker"...I'd just like to know for sure that he's READ the darn bill from start to finish at least once.
 

don

Well-known member
i really doubt there will be any significant change in cost or benefit whatever the outcome of all this. the us govt and medical profession have been so corrupted by the present insurance situation that not much will change. the insurance co's are too powerful; whatever happens they will come out doing real well.
 
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