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Analysis of the Joe Wilson Moment

Clarencen

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His outburst was outragious and stupid. Still it puts what the American public feels all into a single capsule.

Are our politicians really concerned that everyone can receive adequate health care and medical attention, or are they just concerned about affordable insurance. Are there really many people who are denied medical attention? Are we worrying to much about cutting costs? I won't deny that is important, but isn't that what is standing in the way.

If business hire illegal imigrants they have the resposibility to provide the same health care insurance to them as to the others. We should remember that the insurance the employer provides, really comes out of wages.

It seems to me our politicians on both sides are just trying to find a way to convince us that health care can be provided at no cost. Money must come from somewhere even it the insurance companies or the government provides it.
 

aplusmnt

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Clarencen said:
His outburst was outragious and stupid. Still it puts what the American public feels all into a single capsule.

Are our politicians really concerned that everyone can receive adequate health care and medical attention, or are they just concerned about affordable insurance. Are there really many people who are denied medical attention? Are we worrying to much about cutting costs? I won't deny that is important, but isn't that what is standing in the way.

If business hire illegal imigrants they have the resposibility to provide the same health care insurance to them as to the others. We should remember that the insurance the employer provides, really comes out of wages.

It seems to me our politicians on both sides are just trying to find a way to convince us that health care can be provided at no cost. Money must come from somewhere even it the insurance companies or the government provides it.

Yep and the liberals want me to not only provide my health care they want me to provide it for the 25 year old that cares more about owning a new Harley than buying his family Health Insurance. Or the guy who does not get his employee provided health insurance because he does not want to pay his part of the premium, instead they want me to pay for mine and his!

Health care is not a right, we all have the choice of leading healthy lives and the choice of working to pay for our health care!
 
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Anonymous

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Clarencen said:
His outburst was outragious and stupid. Still it puts what the American public feels all into a single capsule.

Are our politicians really concerned that everyone can receive adequate health care and medical attention, or are they just concerned about affordable insurance.


Clarencen its about controling the American people making them dependant upon the Goverment. Thats the long and short of it plain and simple.

Mr. Wilson's outburst was no worse than Harry Reid did GW. Obama was lying and he deserved to be called out on the carpet for it.
 

Cal

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Maybe Joe Wilson's outburst did some good. If he would have hollered "Nazi" as well, he'd have been getting close to the outragousness of Pelosi and other Dems. How quickly they forget their past poor behavior.

I wonder how many contributions Wilson will get from all of this? Hopefully more than his opponent.
 

aplusmnt

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reader (the Second) said:
Health negotiators focus on illegal immigrants

By ERICA WERNER (AP) – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON — Health care negotiators in the Senate are hammering out language to ensure that illegal immigrants can't get access to government funded insurance.

The issue is being revisited by a small group of negotiators on the Senate Finance Committee who met Friday morning. They are searching for an elusive bipartisan deal on President Barack Obama's health overhaul.

Members of the group said they thought they'd settled the matter, but it came to the fore this week when Republican Rep. Joe Wilson shouted "You lie" at Obama during his speech Wednesday. Obama had said illegal immigrants wouldn't be covered under his health plan.

Senators said that's forced the committee to work on a provision to verify legal status before an individual can get coverage.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic leaders wrestling with health care legislation are confronting a host of knotty issues such as medical malpractice, abortion, illegal immigrants and Medicaid, all the while predicting passage of sweeping health care legislation within a few months.

"That's the legislative process," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said as she and other Democrats shifted from praising President Barack Obama's health care speech this week to the less glamorous task of trying to negotiate a bill that will pass muster with a host of opposing factions.

"As issues emerge, let's drill down on the public option, let's drill down on what this means to small business, let's drill down on what this means to seniors," Pelosi, D-Calif., said Thursday.

Increasingly, events in the Senate Finance Committee appeared pivotal, precursor to likely votes in both the House and the Senate by early October.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., has said he will convene the committee the week after next to vote on legislation that would meet Obama's goal of expanding access to health care, providing consumer protection to those with coverage and slowing the growth of medical spending overall.

Still unclear was whether Baucus would get a bipartisan deal after months of negotiating with two other Democrats and three Republicans on his committee — the so-called Gang of Six. If he doesn't, Baucus has said he'll go it alone, but a bipartisan compromise is still in play, with another meeting set for Friday.

Aides were reviewing lists of proposed changes from members of the group — primarily the Republicans — touching on issues that included how much states must pay for a proposed expansion of Medicaid, prohibiting federal funding of abortion, reducing medical malpractice costs, ensuring illegal immigrants don't get insurance and a possible phase-in of coverage for legal immigrants.

Support from two of the Republicans — Chuck Grassley of Iowa and Mike Enzi of Wyoming — looked uncertain. The third, Olympia Snowe of Maine, was a surer bet for Baucus.

Baucus said Obama's speech to Congress and the nation on Wednesday helped create momentum for his group "and also the recognition that changing the system is an inevitability."

With that comes the desire to "work a little harder to see if we can figure out a way," Baucus said.

Whatever bill the Finance Committee approves must be blended with legislation approved earlier in another panel, and is expected to reach the Senate floor by early October. In the House, the three committees with jurisdiction have already passed bills and Democratic leaders were working to combine them before bringing a package to the floor.

Presuming both chambers pass legislation, then would come the daunting task of melding the two bills and bringing the finished product back for final votes in both chambers.

The initial House bill is likely to include a new government-run insurance plan to compete with the private market, but Baucus long ago embraced establishing nonprofit cooperatives instead, and it appears unlikely liberals have the votes in his committee to overrule him.

Baucus and many other senators believe a so-called public plan would be unlikely to get the 60 votes needed to advance in the 100-member Senate. Obama has spoken repeatedly in support of a public plan and did so again in his speech, but he also left room for alternatives like the co-op or a fallback option that would trigger the public plan only if private companies weren't offering enough choices.

The trigger alternative was getting attention from a number of moderate Senate Democrats who met with Obama at the White House on Thursday, according to several who attended. Some moderates oppose a straight-up public plan.

"His willingness to be flexible on that reassured members of our group," said Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind. "His willingness to say what matters here is the ends, we shouldn't obsess about the means."

The moderates also responded to Obama's commitment in his speech to holding down costs.

Are you really gullible enough to believe the Democrats will deny illegals health care? :roll:
 
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