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And If He Listens to the People, He's Still Evil, Right?

Sandhusker

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Considering the number of times that Obama has contradiced himself and actually lied, how can you believe anything that he says he wants and doesn't want?
 
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Anonymous

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I think there will be a competitor to private insurers,” she said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “That’s really the essential part, is you don’t turn over the whole new marketplace to private insurance companies and trust them to do the right thing. We need some choices, we need some competition.”

And this is where I agree with her....We've seen what Big Industry does when allowed to flourish with little or no competition- and allowed to police themselves...Be it the Packers, Oil Industry, Banking and Financial Industry, or Big Insurance....They've raped and pillaged the consumers/populace of the country with their throwing out of all business ethics and morals to allow the stuffing of their CEO's and managements pockets.....
I believe in corporations. They are indispensable instruments of our modern civilization; but I believe that they should be so supervised and so regulated that they shall act for the interest of the community as a whole.
~Theodore Roosevelt
 

cowman52

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I take a letter to the post office, it takes maybe 10 days to get to where ever, if it makes it at all, for the 44 cent stamp. I take the same letter to fed ex and for a buck 50 it will get to where ever in a couple of days or in 24 hrs if necessary. now you explain why in the heck I want to screw with the post office. PRIVATE ENTERPRISE WORKS despite all the denials otherwise. so now why do I want gov't to run ANYTHING??????
 
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Anonymous

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cowman52 said:
I take a letter to the post office, it takes maybe 10 days to get to where ever, if it makes it at all, for the 44 cent stamp. I take the same letter to fed ex and for a buck 50 it will get to where ever in a couple of days or in 24 hrs if necessary. now you explain why in the heck I want to screw with the post office. PRIVATE ENTERPRISE WORKS despite all the denials otherwise. so now why do I want gov't to run ANYTHING??????


Good example- and exactly the same one Obama used yesterday in Colorado Springs to calm those that fear if there is a government option provided it will put the private insurance companies out of business...

But in the cases the insurance companies won't take- the pre-existing conditions and those that have lost their insurance- the public insurance option would give them an opportunity to get insurance- so ALL could be coverered...And for the first time- the insurance monopoly would have at least some competition....
Insurance companies and Major League Baseball are the only two industries exempt from anti-trust laws.
 
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cowman52 said:
I take a letter to the post office, it takes maybe 10 days to get to where ever, if it makes it at all, for the 44 cent stamp. I take the same letter to fed ex and for a buck 50 it will get to where ever in a couple of days or in 24 hrs if necessary. now you explain why in the heck I want to screw with the post office. PRIVATE ENTERPRISE WORKS despite all the denials otherwise. so now why do I want gov't to run ANYTHING??????
Here is the reason you do not screw with the post is because you are stupid. Try pricing Fed EX or UPS next day delivery and compare to the post office.
I live 100 miles from Dallas and I had to send a letter to a business there. I went to the post office and inquired about next day delivery. The postal clerk looked at the address and said it will be there by nine tommorrow morning and this is with the 44 cent stamp. Also the postal service has next day service if you are willing to ask and pay. Nearly every E-bay shipper now uses the Postal service box if it fits it ships same price any where in the world.
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
cowman52 said:
I take a letter to the post office, it takes maybe 10 days to get to where ever, if it makes it at all, for the 44 cent stamp. I take the same letter to fed ex and for a buck 50 it will get to where ever in a couple of days or in 24 hrs if necessary. now you explain why in the heck I want to screw with the post office. PRIVATE ENTERPRISE WORKS despite all the denials otherwise. so now why do I want gov't to run ANYTHING??????


Good example- and exactly the same one Obama used yesterday in Colorado Springs to calm those that fear if there is a government option provided it will put the private insurance companies out of business...

But in the cases the insurance companies won't take- the pre-existing conditions and those that have lost their insurance- the public insurance option would give them an opportunity to get insurance- so ALL could be coverered...And for the first time- the insurance monopoly would have at least some competition....
Insurance companies and Major League Baseball are the only two industries exempt from anti-trust laws.

There is no competition when one entity makes the rules and doesn't pay taxes. Why not fix what is broken? You've got a car that needs new plugs and the democrat's think it needs to be overhauled. I guess they just don't want to see any type of crisis go to waste, eh?
 
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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
cowman52 said:
I take a letter to the post office, it takes maybe 10 days to get to where ever, if it makes it at all, for the 44 cent stamp. I take the same letter to fed ex and for a buck 50 it will get to where ever in a couple of days or in 24 hrs if necessary. now you explain why in the heck I want to screw with the post office. PRIVATE ENTERPRISE WORKS despite all the denials otherwise. so now why do I want gov't to run ANYTHING??????


Good example- and exactly the same one Obama used yesterday in Colorado Springs to calm those that fear if there is a government option provided it will put the private insurance companies out of business...

But in the cases the insurance companies won't take- the pre-existing conditions and those that have lost their insurance- the public insurance option would give them an opportunity to get insurance- so ALL could be coverered...And for the first time- the insurance monopoly would have at least some competition....
Insurance companies and Major League Baseball are the only two industries exempt from anti-trust laws.

There is no competition when one entity makes the rules and doesn't pay taxes. Why not fix what is broken? You've got a car that needs new plugs and the democrat's think it needs to be overhauled. I guess they just don't want to see any type of crisis go to waste, eh?

Maybe if during the 14 years the Repubs controlled Congress- and the 8 they had the White House- they had done something besides give the corporate world a license to rape, pillage, and plunder unfettered- bankrupting the country-- there wouldn't be such a crisis...
 

Sandhusker

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OT, "And this is where I agree with her....We've seen what Big Industry does when allowed to flourish with little or no competition- and allowed to police themselves...Be it the Packers, Oil Industry, Banking and Financial Industry, or Big Insurance....They've raped and pillaged the consumers/populace of the country with their throwing out of all business ethics and morals to allow the stuffing of their CEO's and managements pockets..... "

And did the liberals try to stop all that you claim or did they profit via "contributions"?
 
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Anonymous

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Meanwhile, leaders of organizations representing America's doctors and senior citizens defended the proposed health care overhaul that their groups had opposed in past years.

Dr. J. James Rohack, president of the American Medical Association, and John Rother of AARP -- formerly the American Association of Retired Persons -- told "Fox News Sunday" a comprehensive overhaul sought by Democrats was necessary.

"There are some moving parts that if you just do one and don't do the other, you're going to have unintended consequences," said Rohack, head of the nation's largest doctors' advocacy group.

Rother, executive vice president of policy and strategy for the largest senior citizens' advocacy group, said properly addressing excessive health care costs and waste requires addressing both health insurance coverage and how health care treatment is delivered.

Both men rejected accusations that a health care overhaul would bring rationing of health treatment based on bureaucratic measures such as cost and economic productivity of patients.

"There's a myth that rationing doesn't occur right now," Rohack said, noting that some companies currently deny coverage for pregnancy as a pre-existing condition.

"That's why this bill is so important," Rohack said. "It gets rid of rationing happening right now" and leaves decisions to patients and doctors.

Rohack also condemned claims by some Republicans that a provision in one House bill would lead to so-called "death panels" encouraging euthanasia of senior citizens.

"That's absolutely wrong, it's a falsehood,"
he said, adding that the provision was intended to provide government support for consultations between patients and their doctors.

Spreading of the "death panel" rumor by some conservative commentators and some Republican politicians prompted emotional opposition at town hall meetings across the country. Senate negotiators on a compromise bill say they have dropped the provision from their proposal due to potential misinterpretation of the intent.
 

Sandhusker

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Sandhusker said:
OT, "And this is where I agree with her....We've seen what Big Industry does when allowed to flourish with little or no competition- and allowed to police themselves...Be it the Packers, Oil Industry, Banking and Financial Industry, or Big Insurance....They've raped and pillaged the consumers/populace of the country with their throwing out of all business ethics and morals to allow the stuffing of their CEO's and managements pockets..... "

And did the liberals try to stop all that you claim or did they profit via "contributions"?

Didn't get your answer...
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
How much in the hole is the postal service?


You couldn't run a private company the way the US postal service is run.

While you're asking, lets find out how much social security is in the hole?
Heck, since were talking healthcare, what shape is Medicaid in, OT?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
How much in the hole is the postal service?


You couldn't run a private company the way the US postal service is run.

While you're asking, lets find out how much social security is in the hole?
Heck, since were talking healthcare, what shape is Medicaid in, OT?

Thats the reason that the rightwings fearmongering that a public option will bankrupt the private insurers doesn't hold water..... :roll:

You run for public office on the platform you intend to do away with Social Security or Medicare/Medicaid Sandhusker-- and you might get the 1 vote you cast for yourself.....

And part of the Health Care Reform bill is aimed at cutting costs of Medicare/Medicaid if you'd actually read about it without just echoing your handlers "NO" ranting...

Meanwhile, leaders of organizations representing America's doctors and senior citizens defended the proposed health care overhaul that their groups had opposed in past years.

Dr. J. James Rohack, president of the American Medical Association, and John Rother of AARP -- formerly the American Association of Retired Persons -- told "Fox News Sunday" a comprehensive overhaul sought by Democrats was necessary.

"There are some moving parts that if you just do one and don't do the other, you're going to have unintended consequences," said Rohack, head of the nation's largest doctors' advocacy group.

Rother, executive vice president of policy and strategy for the largest senior citizens' advocacy group, said properly addressing excessive health care costs and waste requires addressing both health insurance coverage and how health care treatment is delivered.

Both men rejected accusations that a health care overhaul would bring rationing of health treatment based on bureaucratic measures such as cost and economic productivity of patients.

"There's a myth that rationing doesn't occur right now," Rohack said, noting that some companies currently deny coverage for pregnancy as a pre-existing condition.

"That's why this bill is so important," Rohack said. "It gets rid of rationing happening right now" and leaves decisions to patients and doctors.

Rohack also condemned claims by some Republicans that a provision in one House bill would lead to so-called "death panels" encouraging euthanasia of senior citizens.

"That's absolutely wrong, it's a falsehood,"
he said, adding that the provision was intended to provide government support for consultations between patients and their doctors.

Spreading of the "death panel" rumor by some conservative commentators and some Republican politicians prompted emotional opposition at town hall meetings across the country. Senate negotiators on a compromise bill say they have dropped the provision from their proposal due to potential misinterpretation of the intent.
 

badaxemoo

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Oldtimer said:
You run for public office on the platform you intend to do away with Social Security or Medicare/Medicaid Sandhusker-- and you might get the 1 vote you cast for yourself.....

But those programs represent SOCIALISM.

And SOCIALISM is EVIL.

He would be better off to get that one vote on principle than attempting to curry favor with the ignorant masses who support anything from the New Deal.

Now get out there and start yanking on your own bootstraps, you welfare-sucking liberal.
 

Sandhusker

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OT, "Thats the reason that the rightwings fearmongering that a public option will bankrupt the private insurers doesn't hold water..... "

That has nothing to do with it. If Medicaid was a private business, it would of been bankrupt long ago. That's one of the reasons that giving the goverment a larger role in managing health care is insanity.

Also, your president said that we would be would have single-pay in 10-15-20 years (to be fair, he also that it goverment would never take over health care, so depending on which side of his mouth that you are listening to, he will always be right....)


OT, "And part of the Health Care Reform bill is aimed at cutting costs of Medicare/Medicaid if you'd actually read about it without just echoing your handlers "NO" ranting... "

My "handlers" are saying "NO" because I'm behind them saying "HELL NO, OR NO RE-ELECTION". Why don't your handlers show that they can do what they say and just go ahead and cut the costs now?
 

Sandhusker

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badaxemoo said:
Oldtimer said:
You run for public office on the platform you intend to do away with Social Security or Medicare/Medicaid Sandhusker-- and you might get the 1 vote you cast for yourself.....

But those programs represent SOCIALISM.

And SOCIALISM is EVIL.

He would be better off to get that one vote on principle than attempting to curry favor with the ignorant masses who support anything from the New Deal.

Now get out there and start yanking on your own bootstraps, you welfare-sucking liberal.

Socialism IS evil.
 

badaxemoo

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Sandhusker said:
badaxemoo said:
Oldtimer said:
You run for public office on the platform you intend to do away with Social Security or Medicare/Medicaid Sandhusker-- and you might get the 1 vote you cast for yourself.....

But those programs represent SOCIALISM.

And SOCIALISM is EVIL.

He would be better off to get that one vote on principle than attempting to curry favor with the ignorant masses who support anything from the New Deal.

Now get out there and start yanking on your own bootstraps, you welfare-sucking liberal.

Socialism IS evil.

Exactly what Jesus said.

That is why he invented CAPITALISM.
 

alice

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badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
badaxemoo said:
But those programs represent SOCIALISM.

And SOCIALISM is EVIL.

He would be better off to get that one vote on principle than attempting to curry favor with the ignorant masses who support anything from the New Deal.

Now get out there and start yanking on your own bootstraps, you welfare-sucking liberal.

Socialism IS evil.

Exactly what Jesus said.

That is why he invented CAPITALISM.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Alice
 

Sandhusker

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badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
badaxemoo said:
But those programs represent SOCIALISM.

And SOCIALISM is EVIL.

He would be better off to get that one vote on principle than attempting to curry favor with the ignorant masses who support anything from the New Deal.

Now get out there and start yanking on your own bootstraps, you welfare-sucking liberal.

Socialism IS evil.

Exactly what Jesus said.

That is why he invented CAPITALISM.

Jesus never "invented" nor embraced either one, Padre.

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any of you would not work, neither should he eat." "Now he that plants and he that waters are one, and every man shall receive his own reward, according to his labor."
"Let him that stole, steal no more, but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that is in need."

Hmmmm, for some reason, when I read those verses, socialism doesn't come to mind. Doesn't seem to jive with "spreading the wealth", now does it?
 

aplusmnt

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hurleyjd said:
cowman52 said:
I take a letter to the post office, it takes maybe 10 days to get to where ever, if it makes it at all, for the 44 cent stamp. I take the same letter to fed ex and for a buck 50 it will get to where ever in a couple of days or in 24 hrs if necessary. now you explain why in the heck I want to screw with the post office. PRIVATE ENTERPRISE WORKS despite all the denials otherwise. so now why do I want gov't to run ANYTHING??????
Here is the reason you do not screw with the post is because you are stupid. Try pricing Fed EX or UPS next day delivery and compare to the post office.
I live 100 miles from Dallas and I had to send a letter to a business there. I went to the post office and inquired about next day delivery. The postal clerk looked at the address and said it will be there by nine tommorrow morning and this is with the 44 cent stamp. Also the postal service has next day service if you are willing to ask and pay. Nearly every E-bay shipper now uses the Postal service box if it fits it ships same price any where in the world.

Problem is I have to subsidize that stamp of yours getting there for 44 cents by paying taxes for it to do so. Postal office is going broke they are in the red by Millions if not Billions of dollars each year. Before you can brag about how good they are getting that stamp there for 44 cents they have to be able to do it while not taking millions in tax dollars to subsidize that cheap delivery!
 
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