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And Light is Shed on the Kenyan BC

fff

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Yep, it's that liberal media jerking the honest patriots around again. Will they ever wise up?

I hope not. :lol:
 

fff

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reader (the Second) said:
The moral is beware of your wishful thinking making you look like a fool. Advice to Orly and hypo.

And as for everyone else who jumps on the bandwagon willy-nilly when another unproven claim is posted, maybe this parody will make you stop and think and reassess hypo's ability to be objective and to verify before he posts.

I doubt it'll make these kooks stop and think. They'll jump on the next "proof" just as hard. :lol: And it's starting to embarrass the national Republican leaders. That's a good thing. :D
 

backhoeboogie

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The BC is bug dust to me.

If he is American born, why did he lie on his scholarships?

He is a liar. Either way he is a liar. But I knew that back when he was debating and using weasel words. So it is no news.

There are real issues out there that concern me.
 

backhoeboogie

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No retorts yet???

Not one of you Obama followers can explain how it is okay to have it one way then, and another way now?

No subject change posts yet?

No one blaming Dubya for Obama lies on the college tuition aps?

You folks are slipping!
 

hypocritexposer

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reader (the Second) said:
‘Birthers’ Latch Onto Forged Kenyan Birth Certificate
By David Weigel 8/3/09 8:50 AM

On Sunday night, the online community of “birthers” erupted after Orly Taitz released a photo of a “Kenyan birth certificate” for Barack Obama. The “birther” movement quickly divided between the credulous — people who believed that the new certificate was genuine — and skeptics who believed that their movement was being taken for a ride.

This story needs a little bit of prelude. Last year, as the bloggers at ObamaConspiracy remember, Philip Berg included an obviously forged birth certificate with his lawsuit against the Democratic National Committee. (The certificate was Canadian and signed by “Dudley Do-Right.”) Foreign birth certificates, unlike, say, American passports, are prime targets for forgery — few people stateside know what the real ones look like, and the penalties for forging them are basically non-existent.

So here it is: the “certified copy of registration of birth” that Orly Taitz obtained and is submitting as evidence in her lawsuit on behalf of Alan Keyes. The most obvious problems:

- It records Barack Obama Sr’s age as “26.” Obama Sr was born in 1936; his son was born in 1961.

- Its publication date is February 17, 1964, but it purports be a document of the “Republic of Kenya.” Kenya did not become a Republic until December 12, 1964, a year after it won independence from Great Britain.

- It’s signed by “registrar E.F. Lavender.” Earth Friendly Lavender is a kind of detergent, and government officials who use vanity initials on official documents are, to put it mildly, rare.

- The kicker? The image is part of the extremely ill-informed conspiracy theory that Obama was born in Mombasa—conveniently, one of the more Muslim parts of the country.

This has always been a red flag for conspiracy theorists, so it deserves some explanation. Barack Obama Sr. was born and educated in Nyanza Province, in southwestern Kenya, on Lake Victoria. This is the area where Obama’s family lived and continues to live; Sarah Obama, the step-grandmother of the president, lives in Nyang’oma Kogelo, a small town in the province. But Mombasa is a city on the Indian Ocean, a thousand miles to the east. It didn’t even have an international airport until 1979. And the city wasn’t even part of Kenya when the future president was born. Mombasa was a part of Zanzibar until December 12, 1963, when it became part of the newly independent Kenya.

The new forgery? Why, it claims that the president was born in Coast General Hospital in Mombasa.

- As some FreeRepublic posters have pointed out, the document contains a number that’s either a humorous coincidence or a wink by the forger. It’s number 47,044. Barack Obama, 47 years old, is the 44th president of the United States.

So what’s the likeliest story here? One popular theory right now is that the document was faked to discredit the “birther” movement. That wouldn’t be surprising: another document that circulated over the weekend was a “certificate of birth” from “Kenya colony,” and its creator tipped his hand, telling readers that it was a “work of parody.”

I find it funny that it was the so called "birthers" that exposed the inconsistencies in this Kenyan BC

most of the comments are taken right from FreeRepublic
 

MsSage

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reader (the Second) said:
The moral is beware of your wishful thinking making you look like a fool. Advice to Orly and hypo.

And as for everyone else who jumps on the bandwagon willy-nilly when another unproven claim is posted, maybe this parody will make you stop and think and reassess hypo's ability to be objective and to verify before he posts.
This would be funny except it is sooooo true. They hope aboard the bandwagon of "Hope and Change" Will not listen or check facts. Ignoring and changing the subject and calling names when facts are presented to show its a lie...........

Its easy to hop off that wagon but you have to start using your brain again :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

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please show every one where I claimed it to be authentic,

I claimed to be as skeptical of it as I was of the COLB posted by Factchek, and I'm pretty skeptical of the COLB

go read the thread, you will see that the debunking of the doc. was started within the first post.

But as you, it does worry me that these forgeries are out there, and the courts should take a look at them, and an investigation of who has fabricated them and distributed them should be charged.

and that includes the COLB, that you vetted Obama on.

here's the first post in the Kenyan BC thread.

If you can't get access to Obama's BC to confirm it's authenticity, why not get the courts to take a look at this Kenyan BC and say it is bogus or a forgery.

The courts should be concerned with documents that could possibly be forgeries of Obama's history, and validate them one way or another. If this is a forgery in anyway, Taitz and Keyes should be disbarred and have to give up their sources, so they can be punished in a court of law, don't you think?

It sure looks authentic, as real as the one presented on the web of Obama's Hawaiian COLB.

It's got the seal, official emblem etc.
 

backhoeboogie

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reader (the Second) said:
backhoeboogie said:
The BC is bug dust to me.

If he is American born, why did he lie on his scholarships?

He is a liar. Either way he is a liar. But I knew that back when he was debating and using weasel words. So it is no news.

There are real issues out there that concern me.

So it doesn't bother you that sham documents and arguments have been posted OVER AND OVER by those trying to discredit the elected president?

Another fake Kenyan birth certificate. The second or third in a couple of days posted and claimed to be official and authentic. Clearly a fake.

Ah. Here we go. It took way too long. You changing the subject. You are supposed to acuse me and try to put me on the defensive in your attempt.

To answer your side question, anything that is fraud bothers me. I have never created a sham doucment but surely we'll be blamed anyway. That is just the lib norm. One person creates something and everyone in the republican party is to blame.

None of this latter discussion had to do wtih the fact that Obama either lied on his college assistance application or else he is lying now. He is a liar one way or another.
 

alice

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reader (the Second) said:
hypocritexposer said:
please show every one where I claimed it to be authentic...

Like I said before, you are a real hoot hypo.

So you posted it, knowing it was a fake, but you failed to say that??!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

And you clamored all night long for people to look at it, claiming you had REAL PROOF finally for your and Orly's claims. You yelled cuz I ignored the post. You kept bumping it. All because it was a fake and you knew it and what was your point again???

Hehehehe. All I can say is that you need your head examined.

Hypocrite,

This is not the only time you've pulled the old bait and switch.

Alice

edited for leaving "not" out of the sentence :oops:
 

backhoeboogie

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reader (the Second) said:
hypocritexposer said:
please show every one where I claimed it to be authentic...

Like I said before, you are a real hoot hypo.

So you posted it, knowing it was a fake, but you failed to say that??!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

And you clamored all night long for people to look at it, claiming you had REAL PROOF finally for your and Orly's claims. You yelled cuz I ignored the post. You kept bumping it. All because it was a fake and you knew it and what was your point again???

Hehehehe. All I can say is that you need your head examined.

This is coming from someone who whines about personal attacks.
 

alice

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hypocritexposer said:
Alice, have you looked at the COLB lately, how many different ones do you see in the pictures?

I remember saying I was over that Birth Cert. nonsense, so nope, haven't looked at it...haven't read about it...don't intend to write about it.

Alice
 

backhoeboogie

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reader (the Second) said:
backhoeboogie said:
reader (the Second) said:
He's a weasel, that's for sure. A pathetic one. He gets points for his enthusiasm.

This comes from someone who whines about name calling.

I fight dirty with those who fight dirty. You don't hold back with your insults for me and liberals everywhere.

The truth must have hurt.

There are some liberal folks in this forum that are respected. I respect their right to freedom.

You dish it out but you cannot take it. You rely on tag teams for each indivicual you assault.

You don't even think about what you are saying before you post.
 

hypocritexposer

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Reader, have you found any solid proof of this being a forgery yet?

Oh and about that name thing. "E.F Lavender", because it was a soap, does that mean this Australian Law Clerk, sec. of does/did not exist.

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and no, I'm not saying that it is the same one, regardless of Australia's connections with British colonies at the time, but the argument you presented does not hold water.

speaking of which, What month and day was Obama Sr. born? Was 1936 verified or a guess?

How about this one

Its publication date is February 17, 1964, but it purports be a document of the “Republic of Kenya.” Kenya did not become a Republic until December 12, 1964, a year after it won independence from Great Britain.

When did Kenya first have a Constitution? Dec 12, 1963, what would official documents and seals state?

The Constitution of Kenya was formed on 12th Dec 1963. The Kenya Constitution includes the President, the Cabinet, the Parliament, Judiciary, Court, Judicial & Public Service Commission and the safeguarding of Trust Land. Individual rights are protected under the Kenya Constitution, that also makes provisions for citizenship

By the affirmative vote on Second and Third Reading of 65% of the membership of the National Assembly the Kenya Constitution can be amended.

How about this one

Mombasa was a part of Zanzibar until December 12, 1963, when it became part of the newly independent Kenya.

That's right, and in 1964, when this BC was supposedly issued, Mombasa BC's would be issued out of Kenya, would they not?

these arguments that you presented do not prove or disprove anything.

The only way to determine if this is a forgery is to look at other BC from the time, and then, if that checks out, forensic testing.

Posts like this is exactly what happens when Liberals trust Wikipedia. Better get over there quick before they change history again.

I stand by my original statement.



The courts should be concerned with documents that could possibly be forgeries of Obama's history, and validate them one way or another. If this is a forgery in anyway, Taitz and Keyes should be disbarred and have to give up their sources, so they can be punished in a court of law, don't you think?

You'd have an easier time of proving that the COLB(s) presented by Factchek for Obama are fake

You're going about this backwards. This Kenyan BC would never be taken as legit, if we had seen a legitimate document from Obama in the first place.

Why not start by debunking the evidence that shows that document to be a fake or not. Prove it to yourself.

ask Yanuck how it can be proven.
 

Steve

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reader (the Second) said:
backhoeboogie said:
The BC is bug dust to me.

If he is American born, why did he lie on his scholarships?

He is a liar. Either way he is a liar. But I knew that back when he was debating and using weasel words. So it is no news.

There are real issues out there that concern me.

So it doesn't bother you that sham documents and arguments have been posted OVER AND OVER by those trying to discredit the elected president?

Another fake Kenyan birth certificate. The second or third in a couple of days posted and claimed to be official and authentic. Clearly a fake.

Yes, it bothered me when Bush was attacked and accused of things not true by the media and after awhile most Americans became numb to the attempts to discredit the president.. so much so that many now wait for facts to come up and disprove the allegations.. instead of reacting emotionally to every new liberal media tabloid style accusation..

it is hard when the media should be investigating the facts and stories are more concerned with promoting liberal candidates..then investigating both sides of any story... take the Edwards story.. or the McCain story of infidelity.. McCains broke in a major way all over the news.. and then was discredited (maybe), yet Edwards was only in the blogs and tabloids.. with the media putting it's efforts into discrediting the story..

and about the time the discrediting story is totally debunked.. lo and behold "Edwards did have an affair"...

so maybe the conservative skepticism of liberal media goes both ways...
 

hypocritexposer

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Liberals/Dems are planning on making it worse, not better. So much for transparency.

This Kenyan BC should be fully investigated along with the fake COLB(s) from factchek.

Regarding the "Kenyan birth certificate" (found here), a fellow DUer made an excellent suggestion:
cliffordu Sun Aug-02-09 03:43 PM
20. We need to create THOUSANDS of them and ship them all over the ******* place.

bury the fxxxxxx in precise fakes, all just a little different from each other.

I wanna see heads explode. I wanna see people drooling from the breakdowns.


Won't you please help? Also, for anyone else (who doesn't have Photoshop) we will need a name for this operation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6205189
 

don

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when even bill o'reilly tells the birthers to get out of town the game's over. as he said tonight, there were birth announcements in the honolulu papers. do you think the conspiracy went back that far?
 
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