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And now this re: hacking

Steve

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Putin is said never to have forgiven Clinton -- then secretary of state -- for publicly questioning the integrity of parliamentary elections in 2011 in Russia, and accused her of encouraging street protests.

so if she meddles its fine and dandy, but.. turn about isn't fair play?

FACT is they only exposed the truth about her, facts our media should have exposed themselves.


The Clintons feature prominently in these past cases of US interference in Russian domestic politics. Under Bill Clinton’s watch, the United States actively supported Boris Yeltsin’s retention of power. Clinton’s commitment to Yeltsin did not waver during the 1990s, despite widespread Russian public antipathy towards his economic policies and serious doubts about his competence to serve as president.

The negative memories of the 1990s transition period have caused Putin’s allies to view US support for Yeltsin as an act of hostility towards Russia. As some of Putin’s allies sympathized with the authoritarian ambitions of the 1991 coup plotters, allegations that US officials handed over secure codes used by coup plotting Soviet generals to Yeltsin have engendered particular animosity. The Russian state media has also described the active involvement of US political consultants in Yeltsin’s come-from-behind presidential election triumph in 1996 as an egregious violation of Russia’s sovereignty.

Since the colored revolutions of the mid-2000s, Kremlin policymakers have embraced the view that US involvement in the electoral processes of Russia and other CIS countries is motivated by a pernicious desire to prevent Russia’s re-emergence as a great power. The 2011-12 Russian election protests consolidated this negative view of Washington’s intentions.

During the 2011-12 mass protests, Putin’s allies frequently accused the CIA of sabotaging Russia’s elections. Putin’s supporters also launched large-scale anti-Orange demonstrations in Moscow to protest against perceived US meddling in Russia’s elections. This suggests that Russian involvement in the US elections is largely a targeted revenge mission against Clinton for perceived past wrongs and not a full-fledged endorsement of Trump by Putin.

In the eyes of Kremlin policymakers, the ability to violate international law without consequence is a defining feature of a great power. By ironically employing the same double standards as the United States, Putin has been able to demonstrate to the Washington establishment that Russia will not roll over passively to US pressure.

Maybe those who live in glass mansions shouldn't throw stones.
 

Mike

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By publishing the DNC's insider emails, Wikileaks/Russia may very have well shown the world how corrupt our Political System can be.
The irony is within which Political Party that wholesale/widespread corruption took place.

Can the Left not see this?
 

Traveler

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Tam

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Do you think we will ever know the truth about this whole corrupt mess. Again the Obama Administration intelligent agencies have settled on a conclusion and are now looking for evidence that confirm their conclusion. What ever happen to the idea of looking at all the evidence and coming to a conclusion based on ALL the evidence? We saw it in the Benghazi talking points, in the IRS investigation, Gun running Investigation, Hillary's email investigation. Obama puts out a public comment to his media minions and his lackies get right to it finding the evidence to promote Obama's comments. When the evidence doesn't match what Obama wants it to say he sends someone out to the media to push his false story anyway. Obama said there wasn't a Smidgen of evidence of corruption with the IRS and his DOJ refuse to go after Lerner, Rice pushed the Benghazi story on all the Sunday shows and a guy making a video is arrested, Comey explained a strong case against Hillary then claimed because he found no INTENT he was not recommending indictment. And Obama claims Executive Privilege to protect Holder so he doesn't have to testify about the the gun running. Now he doesn't want anyone to pay attention to the stories coming out about it was a leak from the inside so he goes to his media minions again and claims he faced up to Putin and told him to knock it off. Right, the guy that leads from behind walked up to Putin, the ex-KGB, and threaten him. I'm betting Putin was quacking in his boots, or maybe he walked away with a smile on his facing.

If Trump lives up to his campaign promise I pray his intelligent agencies are allowed to do their true jobs and not just look for evidence that prove his talking points like Obama's have.
 

Traveler

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And in his last (thank goodness) press conference Obama states how much more the US is respected than it was when he took office. Delirious. Which of our longstanding allies don't have a knife in their back?
 

Tam

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Yep and Michelle spewed her crap about people now really know what it is like to not have hope. After 8 years of her husbands crap all the US and World has left is HOPE that things will get better now that her golf playing job ignoring husband will soon being leaving the White House with her globetrotting butt on his heals. BTW Has she taken a look at the stock market since Trump was elected, looks like the markets might be feeling a bit of a relief knowing the Obama's days are numbered.
 

Tam

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I was thinking, why would Russia hack the DNC and Podesta to help out Trump when Hillary gave Putin access to 20% of the US Uranium? Putin had to have known all he needed to do if Hillary got elected was make a donation to the Clinton Foundation or have a friend donate and broker a deal like happened with the uranium deal or offer Bill a high paying speaking gig and she would role over and play dead while he pilfers the US for whatever else he wanted. It worked to get him the uranium why not trust it would work to get whatever else he wanted. Hillary proved over and over she could be bought so why take a chance on an unknown like Trump when you got leverage on money grubbing Hillary? The FBI said their investigation that Reid ordered found no links between Trump and Putin but there were lots of known questionable deals between Clinton and Putin. Makes no sense that Putin wouldn't go with what he knew had work for him before. It also doesn't make sense that he hacked Podesta's emails and released them to the public when he could have used some of that info to blackmail her once she was elected. :?
 
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