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And The North American Union Continues

mrj

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Econ101 said:
MRJ said:
TSR said:
Without this being made public so that people can voice their opinion, it can't help making one think of another government conspiracy with some lining their pockets at the taxpayers expense. Especially in light of recent events concerning some of our legislators.

More what if....if you have an idea for some community improvement, business plan, etc., is it ALWAYS best to go public from the very first germ of an idea occurs and let the 'anti everything I didn't think of' crowd shoot holes in it before anyone has time to think it through?.....Or might it be better to talk to a few first, have something sketched out that looks like it could work, THEN go public?

OTOH, If it is a true conspiracy, tear it down before it gets root.

I never said it should be accepted with no questions. People like Econ seem to want to decide for the rest of us what is good and what is bad. Why not, after initial proposals, have a lot of people toss ideas around and try to make the best deal possible for the most people possible, especially in quasi- or definitely governmental project proposals. Might be better than the instant NO WAY which is so often the reaction before even understanding the concepts and reasons all too often described by someone who is against it no matter what and exxagerates to carry his own agenda.

Some think no possible good can come about if anyone makes money from gov't contracts or projects. I still recall the fighting against the Interstate Hiway system in the USA. It sure has 'incubated' lots of private businesses, small and large, as well as making travel much simpler when we haven't time for leisurely travel.

Rather than a "blind eye" I just don't buy Econs take on everything. I want to look at all the information before I make up my mind the way he tells us we must because he knows best.

MRJ

Don't worry MRJ, unlike you I am not for sale.


Your claim that I "am for sale" is a lie just like so many of your statements.

Everything I've done for the cattle/beef industry has been on a volunteer basis, and it has been rewarding just seeing the results of people working together self-lessly. I've never been comfortable with praise and don't require 'apple polishing', like you seem to.

MRJ

MRJ
 

Texan

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MRJ said:
Everything I've done for the cattle/beef industry has been on a volunteer basis, and it has been rewarding just seeing the results of people working together self-lessly.
That's what this industry really needs. More doers and fewer bitchers. Thank you for your service.
 

mrj

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Texan said:
MRJ said:
Everything I've done for the cattle/beef industry has been on a volunteer basis, and it has been rewarding just seeing the results of people working together self-lessly.
That's what this industry really needs. More doers and fewer bitchers. Thank you for your service.

You are welcome. It has been our pleasure to do what we were able to promote the industry we love. Anyone can join the blamers club........and what do we get? Just more blamers talking to each other!

MRJ
 
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MRJ said:
Anyone can join the blamers club........and what do we get? Just more blamers talking to each other!

MRJ

Some of the "blamers" you quote will be instrumental in removing Mr. Bonilla from his Ag Financing Committee chairmanship that NCBA/AMI/Packers bought out to use backroom tactics to stop a duly passed and Presidentially signed law from going into effect- the M-COOL law... :wink: Bonilla is to the Packers as Burns is to Abramoff--bought out...

Maybe the new Chairman won't sell out the American public so cheaply- and we can stop this NCBA backed fraud the Packers/Retailers are allowed to perpetuate on US consumers... :D
 

mrj

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Econ101 said:
I heard Pat Buchannon and G. Gordon Liddy talking poorly about the corridor and how it would ruin this country this morning. You can't get more conservative than them.

MRJ, are you a closet liberal or just a continual sellout to big corporations?

Perhaps you are in the high dollar income, seeing how your taxes are so high.

Poor boy! You fail to understand that I did not say I support that plan, only that it may not be the huge conspiracy you seem to hope it is.

Disagreeing with you obviously makes me a liberal....idiot...fool....can't recall your other names you have called me, but it's all just a figment of your own imagination.

I can only wish I were in a high income bracket like you obviously are. The high taxes I complain of are property taxes inflated by outrageously overpriced recreational purchases of ag land in SD. I'd kinda like having enough income to pay taxes on, except that it is such an abused system as to be worthless. I support some form of fair tax or national sales tax system in stead of income tax.

Do any of the rest of you think Econ is stalking me? I can't seem to make a post without him replying, no matter who or what I address.

MRJ
 

Silver

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Steve said:
if the US joins Canada we would gain more liberals......if we add in Mexico we would get more leftists.....why would Bush want more leftist liberals?

maybe the real plan is to let Mexicans to go directly to Canada.....once there they will freeze thier @$$3$ off and run home......

Hmmmm.... Lets see.... I believe when Canada's conservative gov't was elected it didn't take days to figure out if they won or not. Maybe George figures his party would actually have a better chance if the countries were merged. 'Course, he'd regret that move in short order once he had to deal with the Bloc. :wink:
 

Steve

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Silver wrote:
Maybe George figures his party would actually have a better chance if the countries were merged.


the biggest problem I see with merging US and Canada is that hollywood leftists would have nowhere to threaten to go if a conservative is elected on 08'


And what would we call the new nation?

United Sates, Mexico, & Canada of America,



USMC of A

(now that would scare the Terrorists)
 

Econ101

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Steve said:
Silver wrote:
Maybe George figures his party would actually have a better chance if the countries were merged.


the biggest problem I see with merging US and Canada is that hollywood leftists would have nowhere to threaten to go if a conservative is elected on 08'


And what would we call the new nation?

United Sates, Mexico, & Canada of America,



USMC of A

(now that would scare the Terrorists)

Don't kid yourself, Steve. These terrorists are not scared by that kind of stuff.

Now if we got to pick their virgins for them, that might be another thing.

Could you imagine sacrificing someone like Hillary to that cause?
 
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Anonymous

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Highway to hell



Pittsburgh Tribune-Review Editorial

October 31, 2006



Plans for the NAFTA Superhighway have gone public. The decades-long rail and highway project would connect Mexico to Canada through the U.S. heartland, with arteries branching out from the central corridor. Construction of the first leg of the highway, from San Antonio to Dallas, is expected to begin next year.

Meanwhile, Hutchison Whampoa, the Hong Kong-based port operator with strong ties to the Chinese military, has teamed with Wal-Mart to upgrade the port at Lazaro Cardenas in Mexico. Direct shipments from Asia could bypass U.S. ports.



The promise of North American free trade is looking a little shopworn. The integration of North American manufacturing (U.S. capital, Mexican labor) to compete against East Asia is replaced by an integration of transport that benefits China. Work once done in Mexico has been shipped to China, where wages are even lower.



There is a critical difference between the old Soviet Union and the new China. The former, a police state, was a basket case because it commanded against the creation of thriving markets. The latter, also a police state, is commanding its economy to satisfy existing markets and capitalize on developing trends.



NAFTA is failing. The flow of illegal immigrants as we know it -- along with the violent lawlessness and the strain on public budgets -- may be prologue.



pittsburghlive.com
 

RoperAB

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Steve said:
if the US joins Canada we would gain more liberals......if we add in Mexico we would get more leftists.....why would Bush want more leftist liberals?

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How so? Please explain.
You know despite most of the ridings up here being in Liberal central<southern Ontario and Quebec> we did manage to elect a Conservative government in the last election.
The previous Liberal governments had a lot to do with the R-wing being split between the Reform and Conservative right wing partys.
Plus the NeoConservative movement in the States doesnt help Conservatives up here get elected.
You know in lots of ways we are more conservative and have more freedoms up here than you guys do in the States.
 

RoperAB

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Silver said:
Steve said:
if the US joins Canada we would gain more liberals......if we add in Mexico we would get more leftists.....why would Bush want more leftist liberals?

maybe the real plan is to let Mexicans to go directly to Canada.....once there they will freeze thier @$$3$ off and run home......

Hmmmm.... Lets see.... I believe when Canada's conservative gov't was elected it didn't take days to figure out if they won or not. Maybe George figures his party would actually have a better chance if the countries were merged. 'Course, he'd regret that move in short order once he had to deal with the Bloc. :wink:

Thats the one good thing about a merger. Their constitution would take care of Quebec.

Part of this NAFTA road has to do with these new next generation super sized container ships that they are coming out with
 

Econ101

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This highway and all its problems shows the love of money over patriotism.

We are allowing our country to slip away. They need to widen the Rio Grande where the highway is coming through and turn it into another port.
 

RoperAB

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Econ101 said:
This highway and all its problems shows the love of money over patriotism.

We are allowing our country to slip away. They need to widen the Rio Grande where the highway is coming through and turn it into another port.

Well isnt it possible that this highway will be used to export US products around the world?
Why is it called NAFTA if its only for importing stuff from the far east?
NAFTA stands for NORTH AMERICAN free trade.
Anyway the liberals up here holler all the time that everytime we deal with the US we end up getting the worst of the bargain and really their is an eliment of truth to that saying. My question is why are you guys nervous? Seems to me its everybody else that sould be wary.
Off Topic but now your ambasador is up here claiming that the CAnadian Artic<North West Passage> is International<American> waters. Honest to God sometimes I start to wonder if we should be arming ourselves for defence from you guys? Like honestly its like your government is trying to create enemys that were not there before!
 

Econ101

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RoperAB said:
Econ101 said:
This highway and all its problems shows the love of money over patriotism.

We are allowing our country to slip away. They need to widen the Rio Grande where the highway is coming through and turn it into another port.

Well isnt it possible that this highway will be used to export US products around the world?
Why is it called NAFTA if its only for importing stuff from the far east?
NAFTA stands for NORTH AMERICAN free trade.
Anyway the liberals up here holler all the time that everytime we deal with the US we end up getting the worst of the bargain and really their is an eliment of truth to that saying. My question is why are you guys nervous? Seems to me its everybody else that sould be wary.
Off Topic but now your ambasador is up here claiming that the CAnadian Artic<North West Passage> is International<American> waters. Honest to God sometimes I start to wonder if we should be arming ourselves for defence from you guys? Like honestly its like your government is trying to create enemys that were not there before!

That is a road for imports, not exports. The only thing that will be exported is the wealth of the nation and jobs.
 

RoperAB

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When Free Trade was just US/CAN. We lost a lot of manufacturing jobs in eastern Canada but it was good for western CND. agriculture and resource based industries. However then you guys started chargeing illegal duties on our softwood lumber, using BSE as an excuse for screwing our beef ind.and slapped duties on our grain. Really whats in free trade for us<laugh>.
Where you screwed up was including Mexico. Im guessing the industries that you gained from Canada just kept going south into Mexico?
 
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RoperAB said:
Where you screwed up was including Mexico. Im guessing the industries that you gained from Canada just kept going south into Mexico?

All went to China now- Thats the reason Walmart wants to build the big ocean port (in Mexico, to avoid union costs and any US taxes) and Mexico is crying that we have to come down there and save their country (Send Money).....
 

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