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Well to me-- Both Hillary and GW fit into the same bag of crooks that hide behind a gaggle of attorneys, lies, and shredded documents-- and if everything came out about both of them they'd be serving life sentences in Leavenworth :( :mad:

Demand for White House's Abramoff Data
By PETE YOST – 16 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — A House committee chairman on Wednesday demanded that the White House turn over hundreds of pages of material about Jack Abramoff, the latest attempt by Congress to compel the Bush administration to detail its contacts with the disgraced lobbyist.

The White House has produced 3,700 pages of records but is withholding more than 600 others, Rep. Henry Waxman said in a letter to White House counsel Fred Fielding.

White House press secretary Dana Perino said the administration probably will resist the demand. But in a formal response, Fielding indicated that his office would continue to work with lawmakers. In a letter to Waxman, Fielding said he had directed his deputy contact the committee's staff on Thursday to arrange a discussion.

Administration spokesmen said in 2006 that Abramoff had few visits to the White House, but records from the lobbyist's old law firm suggest that Abramoff and members of his team had hundreds of contacts with White House officials.

Matt Schlapp, former White House director of political affairs, cooperated with Waxman's investigation and estimated that he had monthly contact with Abramoff on subjects that often involved official government business, according to the congressman's letter.

Schlapp also told the committee that Abramoff was regarded as a "point of information" because of his knowledge and his experience and his judgment on issues surrounding politics and policy "and how the town works," Waxman said in quoting portions of Schlapp's testimony to the committee.

Schlapp, who worked for White House political adviser Karl Rove, cooperated voluntarily with the committee and there has been no suggestion that he received tickets or meals from Abramoff or his team. Schlapp was a regional coordinator for President Bush's 2000 campaign and joined the White House as deputy to Ken Mehlman, replacing him when Mehlman left the White House to manage Bush's re-election campaign.

Abramoff is serving six years in prison on a criminal case out of Florida. He has not yet been sentenced on charges of mail fraud, conspiracy and tax evasion stemming from the influence-peddling scandal in Washington.

Abramoff's organization was "viewed by many as a very respected lobbying team," Schlapp told investigators, according to Waxman's letter.

Waxman challenged the White House to provide material in the next week, saying it cannot be withheld unless President Bush invokes executive privilege. The documents the White House has sent to the committee generally involve communications between White House officials and Abramoff or members of his lobbying group. The White House blacked out portions of the pages given to the committee.

Waxman's request concerns "internal documents and internal deliberations that we are probably not going to turn over," Perino said. "I will not say that we're ... asserting executive privilege." She said that internal deliberations are protected under the law and "Representative Waxman knows that."

Schlapp's lawyers, Howard Shapiro and Reg Brown, said their client "fulfilled his civic obligations and provided voluntary and truthful testimony. ... We consider the matter closed."

Waxman, D-Calif., chairs the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

The Justice Department probe of Abramoff and his team of lobbyists has led to convictions of a dozen people, including former Rep. Bob Ney, R-Ohio, former White House official David Safavian and former Deputy Interior Secretary Steven Griles

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jSfr2qB8INLWHHuabkeMTgBeWqcQD8SKG8JO1


Hillary, Under Lock and Key
Trying to get to the bottom of her executive experience.

By Stephen Spruiell


A trove of unreleased documents from Hillary Clinton’s years as First Lady became an embarrassing land mine for Clinton as she plodded through what felt like the eight-hundredth Democratic presidential debate Tuesday night. Moderator Tim Russert asked Clinton:

RUSSERT: Senator Clinton, I’d like to follow up, because in terms of your experience as first lady, in order to give the American people an opportunity to make a judgment about your experience, would you allow the National Archives to release the documents about your communications with the president, the advice you gave? Because, as you well know, President Clinton has asked the National Archives not to do anything until 2012.


Clinton, looking slightly annoyed, responded:

CLINTON: Well, actually, Tim, the Archives is moving as rapidly as the Archives moves. There’s about 20 million pieces of paper there. And they are moving and they are releasing as they do their process. And I am fully in favor of that. Now, all of the records, as far as I know, about what we did with health care, those are already available. Others are becoming available. And I think that, you know, the Archives will continue to move as rapidly as its circumstances and processes demand.

I asked Chris Farrell, whose group, Judicial Watch, is suing the U.S. National Archives and Records Administration to obtain Hillary Clinton’s documents from her White House years, if Clinton was correct when she said that “all of the records” from her work on her husband’s health-care task force in 1993 are available to the public.

“All of them are not,” he replied. “We’ve asked for the Task Force on National Health Care Reform records, and those are different than the records that are available at the Clinton Library now. There are two universes of documents. One came out because the AAPS [American Association of Physicians and Surgeons] sued [in 1993] to get hold of the documents.”

But Farrell, who has been to Little Rock five times since Clinton’s presidential library opened, explained that there’s a second group of documents that hasn’t been released. “It has to do with health-care reform, it has to do with Hillary’s work there, and it’s not the same as the one that was released through earlier litigation over the health-care task force.” (In addition to these documents, Judicial Watch is also suing for Hillary’s White House calendar, her schedule, and all of her official correspondence as First Lady.)
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MzJmZmMwYjFjNmRlZDA0ZmM3NDFkMjQ3NzY0MzE3YmU=
 

Hanta Yo

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Kolanuraven:


Because you get Bill in the deal is the NUMBER ONE reason.

But I like Hillary and I don't follow the pack anyway. Just because certain people don't like her ....doesn't mean I fall into lock-step with the ' gang'.

I'm not jumping on the band wagon, but is this a good reason to vote for Hillary? Or for anybody ?

It scares me to death to even possibly think she would get elected, and there are people out there who would really vote for her. She doesn't even know what she is talking about half the time. :???:
 
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Hanta Yo said:
Kolanuraven:


Because you get Bill in the deal is the NUMBER ONE reason.

But I like Hillary and I don't follow the pack anyway. Just because certain people don't like her ....doesn't mean I fall into lock-step with the ' gang'.

I'm not jumping on the band wagon, but is this a good reason to vote for Hillary? Or for anybody ?

It scares me to death to even possibly think she would get elected, and there are people out there who would really vote for her. She doesn't even know what she is talking about half the time. :???:


You know the sad part to me-- is when your in a conversation with so many folks anymore- and the subject comes around to Hillary-and a Hillary Presidency-- the number one statement I hear is--" IT CAN'T BE ANY WORSE THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE NOW".... :shock:
 
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Oldtimer said:
You know the sad part to me-- is when your in a conversation with so many folks anymore- and the subject comes around to Hillary-and a Hillary Presidency-- the number one statement I hear is--" IT CAN'T BE ANY WORSE THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE NOW".... :shock:

If Hillary is elected, that will be much of the reason and if the Republicans don't rally behind someone, she will be elected. Thanks, George.
 

kolanuraven

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Hanta Yo said:
Kolanuraven:


Because you get Bill in the deal is the NUMBER ONE reason.

But I like Hillary and I don't follow the pack anyway. Just because certain people don't like her ....doesn't mean I fall into lock-step with the ' gang'.

I'm not jumping on the band wagon, but is this a good reason to vote for Hillary? Or for anybody ?

It scares me to death to even possibly think she would get elected, and there are people out there who would really vote for her. She doesn't even know what she is talking about half the time. :???:


It's a good enough reason for me!!


I guess you thought voting for GW at that time was a good idea also!!


To each his own really. And like OT posted....it can't get any worse!!
 

Tommy

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kolanuraven...I guess you thought voting for GW at that time was a good idea also!!

I thank God everyday that neither Al Gore or John Kerry were elected president. To me it was a no brainer to vote for GW!!
 

Sandhusker

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kolanuraven said:
Hanta Yo said:
Kolanuraven:


Because you get Bill in the deal is the NUMBER ONE reason.

But I like Hillary and I don't follow the pack anyway. Just because certain people don't like her ....doesn't mean I fall into lock-step with the ' gang'.

I'm not jumping on the band wagon, but is this a good reason to vote for Hillary? Or for anybody ?

It scares me to death to even possibly think she would get elected, and there are people out there who would really vote for her. She doesn't even know what she is talking about half the time. :???:


It's a good enough reason for me!!


I guess you thought voting for GW at that time was a good idea also!!


To each his own really. And like OT posted....it can't get any worse!!

That is the rationale Democrats are following - it can't get any worse? Why can't anybody say, "I'm voting for Hillary because she has done _____, stands for _______ and will __________ and ________? The kids in our 4H club did a better job of selecting officers.
 

Hanta Yo

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That is the rationale Democrats are following - it can't get any worse? Why can't anybody say, "I'm voting for Hillary because she has done _____, stands for _______ and will __________ and ________? The kids in our 4H club did a better job of selecting officers.

For once, Sandhusker, I totally agree with you!!!! :D
 

Sandhusker

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Hanta Yo said:
That is the rationale Democrats are following - it can't get any worse? Why can't anybody say, "I'm voting for Hillary because she has done _____, stands for _______ and will __________ and ________? The kids in our 4H club did a better job of selecting officers.

For once, Sandhusker, I totally agree with you!!!! :D

Hey, I'm not totally bad! :lol:
 
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Sandhusker said:
Hanta Yo said:
That is the rationale Democrats are following - it can't get any worse? Why can't anybody say, "I'm voting for Hillary because she has done _____, stands for _______ and will __________ and ________? The kids in our 4H club did a better job of selecting officers.

For once, Sandhusker, I totally agree with you!!!! :D

Hey, I'm not totally bad! :lol:

The thing is that many of the folks that I hear echoing this comment are not Democrats-- long time Repubs, Independents, and split ticket voters that just are frustrated with what has came out of the White House in the last 7 years and the indifference they've shown to the electorate....

Another comment you here often-- "neither Party has anyone running worth voting for" :shock: -- and "whoever you vote for probably doesn't matter anyway- Corporate America runs both parties anymore"... :shock:
 
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sw said:
I had heard about this but a picture is definitely worth 1000 words! God save us!!!

Obama.jpg


Respect
Senator Barack Obama, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Hillary Clinton and Ruth Harkin stand during the national anthem.
Barack Hussein Obama's photo (that's his real name)......the article said he REFUSED TO NOT ONLY PUT HIS HAND ON HIS HEART DURING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, BUT REFUSED TO SAY THE PLEDGE.....how can a man like this expect to be our next Commander-in-Chief????[/img]


I've known for sometime GW is still trying to figure out where his heart is--but this shows it...He's just arrogant enough to believe that he's too important to do little things like salute the flag- especially like a commoner-- or follow some piece of paper named the Constitution :shock: :wink: :lol:

bush-stomach.jpg
 

Cal

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sw said:
I had heard about this but a picture is definitely worth 1000 words! God save us!!!

Obama.jpg


Respect
Senator Barack Obama, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Hillary Clinton and Ruth Harkin stand during the national anthem.
Barack Hussein Obama's photo (that's his real name)......the article said he REFUSED TO NOT ONLY PUT HIS HAND ON HIS HEART DURING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, BUT REFUSED TO SAY THE PLEDGE.....how can a man like this expect to be our next Commander-in-Chief????[/img]

I think Hillary must have pushed too hard;

Hillary_Cleavage.jpg
 
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Cal said:
sw said:
I had heard about this but a picture is definitely worth 1000 words! God save us!!!

Obama.jpg


Respect
Senator Barack Obama, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Hillary Clinton and Ruth Harkin stand during the national anthem.
Barack Hussein Obama's photo (that's his real name)......the article said he REFUSED TO NOT ONLY PUT HIS HAND ON HIS HEART DURING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, BUT REFUSED TO SAY THE PLEDGE.....how can a man like this expect to be our next Commander-in-Chief????[/img]

I think Hillary must have pushed too hard;

Hillary_Cleavage.jpg

Don't show that picture to jigs..... :wink: :lol:


kfc-hillary-clinton-special.jpg


I wonder if this franchise was owned by a Republican?
 

Steve

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Hard to follow those posts....about Hillary....but..

AS for Obama.. it may be hard for him to understand the importance of the pledge,.. as he may have never been taught about it or of our customs and conduct concerning our flag..

Obama grew up in culturally diverse surroundings,...and spent most of his pre-teen years in the multi-ethnic Indonesian capital city of Jakarta. The book describes his struggles as a young adult to reconcile social perceptions of his multiracial heritage. He used alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine during his teenage years, Obama writes, to "push questions of who I was out of my mind."


I was taught the Pledge of Allegiance in grade school,.. and the proper conduct was re-enforced by military training...

Since he didn't serve in the military,...attended school in Indonesia from age six to ten....add in that he was stoned during his teen years.. it is doubtful he was taught The Pledge of Allegiance, let alone proper conduct in respecting our Flag...
 

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