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Andrea Yates.....trial postponed!

ranchwife

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Soooooo...here's another HOT button...what are all of your thoughts on this woman and her heinous crime??? What do you think should be done with a woman who ("under extreme mental illness") drowned her 5 innocent, helpless children (the last one fought desperately and cried so hard when he realized what mama was doing that he THREW UP IN THE HALL!!!)???? and what about the former hubby??? what role do you think he played?? Was he just ignorant of the nature and depth of his wife's "illness" or was he just stupid and wanted to "procreate as much as God allows" with a woman who had been diagnosed and medicated for post-partum depression??

Okay...let's hear it!!!
 

BBJ

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I think she needs to be executed. insane or not. :mad: :twisted: :evil: :x :mad: :evil: :x :twisted: :x :mad: :twisted:

If I had such an extreme mental illness and committed that crime I would hope to be executed. Did that make sense? I mean if I went temporarily insane, did that, then came back into reality, I wouldn't be able to live w/ myself. :cry:


I bet steviec could fix her, with a big hug and A I love you. :lol:


:p
 

ranchwife

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personally....everytime I see this woman on t.v., I think of the absolute HORROR that her children went through as they died by her hands!! For the love of God...she was their MOTHER and was supposed to protect, love and nurture them....just in MY OPINION, execution would be too easy of a way out for her!! She would have closure and she does not deserve closure...she deserves to be shut away in a BOX with millions of pictures of the faces of her beautiful children surrounding her...reminding her each minute of every day of what she did!!!! :cry: :cry:
 

BBJ

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ranchwife said:
personally....everytime I see this woman on t.v., I think of the absolute HORROR that her children went through as they died by her hands!! For the love of God...she was their MOTHER and was supposed to protect, love and nurture them....just in MY OPINION, execution would be too easy of a way out for her!! She would have closure and she does not deserve closure...she deserves to be shut away in a BOX with millions of pictures of the faces of her beautiful children surrounding her...reminding her each minute of every day of what she did!!!! :cry: :cry:

Well I can honestly say you just changed my opinion on this one.
 

Mrs.Greg

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Trial postponed...has this not really dragged on? What year again did this happen? I've struggled with this since it happened,postpartum is truly a hard disease to handle but my question from the beginning was why take those childrens lives why not her own and leave the children alone :cry: ?The husband has also bothered me,if she was as depressed as its said she was what the heck was wrong with the husband?Why did he not get her better help :???: .I'm with ranchwife though...make her live with her desision until God determines her fate!!
 

kolanuraven

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Has anyone every said that she actually KNOWS what she did? Did she have a memory of it all? I haven't kept close tabs on this to be honest but it is horrible.
 

ranchwife

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thanks for posting the website, HMW!! Unfortunately, my vision became a little blurry as I re-read a story I have read too many times, already!! I did not know that she had left the oldest child in the tub while laying the rest of her babies on the bed!! SICK!! SICK!! SICK!!! :cry: :cry: :cry:
 

theHiredMansWife

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from the link above:
While postpartum depression occurs in up to twenty percent of women who have children, psychotic manifestations are much more rare, and thus much less understood.   Only one in five hundred births result in the mother's postpartum psychosis, says forensic psychiatrist Michael Welner.  Unlike in Britain, where the mental health system watches mothers for months afterward for signs of depression and mood swings, people in America have a difficult time understanding how hormonal shifts can actually cause violent hallucinations and thoughts.  Such women can become incoherent, paranoid, irrational, and delusional.  They may have outright hallucinations, and are at risk of committing suicide or harming their child—particularly "for the child's own good."  The woman herself will not recognize it as an illness, so those countries that have programs for it generally advise immediate hospitalization.

I've had a really hard time trying to decide what I think of the Andrea Yates story. I had "mild" postpartum depression with my first baby and I remember the thoughts that went through my mind. Thoughts now that make me recoil.
I can only imagine how it must have been for someone who was beyond depression and into psychosis. :(

That whole story makes my heart ache for everyone involved. Including Andrea. I'm glad I'm not on the jury. I just have no idea what "justice" would be in this case....


Read page four of that link.
 

Mrs.Greg

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Thank-you for the link HMW.I read it.Theres alot of variables in what may be the right verdict.She MAY have had postpartum but she had alot of help keeping her there.I don't know but there are dead children,I most certainly WOULD NOT want to be part of that jury....and I still believe God will determine her fate! JMHO!
 

MsSage

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I too had post partum depression. I never thought about hurting my children. Some of the thoughts that go through your head are unsettling at best.
My biggest problem is the fathers role. I know you do NOT go from feeling down to depressed overnight. You can NOT hide your depression. I remember many weeks Gordon asking what was wrong and trying to help. After he talked to his Mother he MADE me talk about what was going on. It took alot of talking to get it down to I was greiving over the loss of my mother 4 months before Kaitlyn was born.
It took WORK but as the childrens father that was his responsiblity to PROTECT them.
I can not understand a man standing around saying he knew she was depressed and NOT trying to protect his children. It has been KNOWN for many years depression can lead to mothers killing thier children.
Part of me says yes make her look at her children pictures for many years but then I think about what the children could have been.
I say let God deal with her, after she herself has been drowned.
 

Mrs.Greg

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I'm with Sage I have a HUGE problam with the father,ALOT more should have been done on his part.I feel he should be on trial beside her...JMHO
 

ranchwife

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Mrs.Greg said:
I'm with Sage I have a HUGE problam with the father,ALOT more should have been done on his part.I feel he should be on trial beside her...JMHO

absolutely!! this man KNEW that his wife was seriously (and dangerously) ill and yet he convinced her time and time and time again to stop taking her anti-depressants and conceive yet another innocent child!!! Yet, he is being allowed to not on re-marry, but possibly procreate more!! I, too, suffered from post-partum after the birth of my 10 year old and the feelings of fear and helplessness can be overwhelming!! Fortunately, I had a wonderful, loving husband who loved me and his newborn son more than life itself and he was there EVERY STEP OF THE WAY!! If not for him, I would never have gotten the help I needed and Lord only knows what may have happened!! I do know, however, that I would have hurt myself WAY before harming a hair on the head of any of my children!! :cry: :cry:
 

Mrs.Greg

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See thats the biggest grey area in this for me,Gregs favorite cousin suffered postpartum sooo severe she took her OWN life! My daughter-in-law to be after the birth of our grandson suffered BAd postpartum and was put on medication.NIETHER of these women wanted to hurt thier OWN children!!The depression was turned inward not outward.I believe this mothers was severly depressed but not really sure if it was postpartum! JMHO!
 

theHiredMansWife

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I know of several cases, mine included, where the depression was turned outward. Anything to get others (espcially the new baby) to shut up and leave me alone in my cave... :(
Like i said, thoughts that make me recoil now but were so real at the time...
 

CattleRMe

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I strongly believe that post partum is a serious illness that sometimes is hard to detect. However this with Andrea Yates I feel was something much more then just post partum. I wonder why her husband and her family did not pick up on her symptoms? Or even her doctor? I do believe mental illness can make one act in ways they would normally not however 5 small innocent children lost their lives. For that reason alone I feel the death penelty is called for. Why keep wasting tax payers money?
 

Mrs.Greg

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theHiredMansWife said:
I know of several cases, mine included, where the depression was turned outward. Anything to get others (espcially the new baby) to shut up and leave me alone in my cave... :(
Like i said, thoughts that make me recoil now but were so real at the time...
Ok I accept that,I've never had postpartum ,only knew women that did.But HMW...what is your take on the husband???I know my son knew right away his girl was ill with postpartum.And went to lengths to get her well again.This womans husband,not only having her go off the meds,also allowed that "SICK" minister and his wife,to badger this woman! Once a person goes off a depressant med of any sort getting them back to square one takes longer and longer,if at all.
 

kolanuraven

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Wonder what the gal is like who married this Yates man??? WOW , is she in for a surprise....she better not be getting 'sad' around him!!!!

Makes ya wonder why she married him??!! :roll:
 

theHiredMansWife

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Mrs.Greg said:
theHiredMansWife said:
I know of several cases, mine included, where the depression was turned outward. Anything to get others (espcially the new baby) to shut up and leave me alone in my cave... :(
Like i said, thoughts that make me recoil now but were so real at the time...
Ok I accept that,I've never had postpartum ,only knew women that did.But HMW...what is your take on the husband???I know my son knew right away his girl was ill with postpartum.And went to lengths to get her well again.This womans husband,not only having her go off the meds,also allowed that "SICK" minister and his wife,to badger this woman! Once a person goes off a depressant med of any sort getting them back to square one takes longer and longer,if at all.

somewhere in that article, it said he was concerned because the doctor didn't hospitalize her two days before this happened. He thought she should be hospitalized and the doctor didn't.
I agree with you that he didn't work to keep her on her meds. Or hire someone to stay with her. Check her into in-patient treatment for a few months (which means he would have had to figure out what to do with five kids :roll: )
The ball was dropped all over the place here.
 
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