Oldtimer said:Mine came out this way- which Biden is a surprise :roll: - but not really when you figure that 3 or 4 of the key issues that many Republicans think are important (abortion, death penalty, marriage definition, stem cell research) I believe are not Federal government decisions and should be left to the States-or in the case of stem cell research to the scientific community-- so put little or no importance to them....
I definitely oppose trifling with the US Constitution over the gay issue...
Joe Biden
Bill Richardson
Mitt Romney
Tom Tancredo
Duncan Hunter
Barack Obama
John Edwards
Hillary Clinton
Mike Huckabee
Fred Thompson
Chris Dodd
Dennis Kucinich
Mike Gravel
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Texan said:Oldtimer said:Mine came out this way- which Biden is a surprise :roll: - but not really when you figure that 3 or 4 of the key issues that many Republicans think are important (abortion, death penalty, marriage definition, stem cell research) I believe are not Federal government decisions and should be left to the States-or in the case of stem cell research to the scientific community-- so put little or no importance to them....
I definitely oppose trifling with the US Constitution over the gay issue...
Joe Biden
Bill Richardson
Mitt Romney
Tom Tancredo
Duncan Hunter
Barack Obama
John Edwards
Hillary Clinton
Mike Huckabee
Fred Thompson
Chris Dodd
Dennis Kucinich
Mike Gravel
John McCain
Rudy Giuliani
You know you were under no obligation to post your results? I swear, it's getting harder and harder to keep from putting the L label on you. Maybe you can tell everybody it stands for Lesbian, though. :lol:
Is that going to make you look at Biden a little harder?
Oldtimer said:And also the tax question probably moved me toward the liberal side too-- because I think the tax cuts should be repealed, as they were made during a "peacetime" economy (as GW used as his selling point at the time) -- and we definitely are at war now....Someday- somebody has to stop saying "Charge It" and take the fiscal responsibility to pay the bills....
Soapweed said:Oldtimer said:And also the tax question probably moved me toward the liberal side too-- because I think the tax cuts should be repealed, as they were made during a "peacetime" economy (as GW used as his selling point at the time) -- and we definitely are at war now....Someday- somebody has to stop saying "Charge It" and take the fiscal responsibility to pay the bills....
Tax cuts make money for the country, they don't "take" money from the country. You need to look at the full forest instead of scrutinizing individual trees.
Oldtimer said:Soapweed said:Oldtimer said:And also the tax question probably moved me toward the liberal side too-- because I think the tax cuts should be repealed, as they were made during a "peacetime" economy (as GW used as his selling point at the time) -- and we definitely are at war now....Someday- somebody has to stop saying "Charge It" and take the fiscal responsibility to pay the bills....
Tax cuts make money for the country, they don't "take" money from the country. You need to look at the full forest instead of scrutinizing individual trees.
Who pays for the Trillions $ worth of money GW has borrowed-- from all the foreign countries-- from our Social Security fund that will go broke if unpaid-- from our kids futures :???: As is being shown in this huge mortgage fraud--altho you may get by for sometime, eventually when you don't pay the debts it comes back to bite you in the butt.....
Oldtimer said:That sounds like a Hillary type answer Soap :shock:
Who pays off our debt with China- and Venezuela- and all the other countries.... :???: Where does the money come from to repay the Social Security fund-- money that was paid in by workers as a safety net for their latter years (money that wasn't supposed to be touched for any other reason)-- many of which are already drawing on these funds-but will be broke if we (our government) breaks our promise to them... :???:
Soapweed said:Oldtimer said:That sounds like a Hillary type answer Soap :shock:
Who pays off our debt with China- and Venezuela- and all the other countries.... :???: Where does the money come from to repay the Social Security fund-- money that was paid in by workers as a safety net for their latter years (money that wasn't supposed to be touched for any other reason)-- many of which are already drawing on these funds-but will be broke if we (our government) breaks our promise to them... :???:
If taxes are raised, the politicians just spend until it is gone anyway. Allow businesses to prosper without the threat of higher percentage taxes, and more tax money will be made in the long run with lower percentage taxes. For example, a twenty percent tax on a hundred dollar income would be twenty dollars. A fifteen percent tax on two hundred dollars would be thirty dollars. A lower tax percentage rate results in more income, which in the long run actually puts more money into Uncle Sam's till. When the Liberals break all the productive businesses because of too much taxes, nobody gets ahead. If a business can prosper, they hire extra labor. The extra labor is earning wages, and the labor then pays taxes. Otherwise, often times the people that could be earning money, if they can't find a job, go on welfare instead. This results in a lose-lose situation. The Liberals can't seem to figure this out.
Oldtimer said:Thats fine if you are fiscally conservative-- but that won't work if you keep spending more than is coming in-- and especially with SS which was needing a big input even before GW decided to blow the rest of it....
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Oldtimer said:As I said before--GW's and the Republican Congress's lack of "fiscal responsibility" and drunken sailer spending is the reason D.C. will be controlled by the Democrats for the next decade or two-- and taxes will be increased- and many social policies not liked by many on here will be passed....
aplusmnt said:Oldtimer said:Thats fine if you are fiscally conservative-- but that won't work if you keep spending more than is coming in-- and especially with SS which was needing a big input even before GW decided to blow the rest of it....
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Government spending and Tax Revenue are separate issues. Soapweed pointed out how to bring more money into Washington. If the politicians choose to spend more than comes in that does not change the fact that lower taxes help generate more money.
I do not have the statistics at hand but was sure that more revenue has came into the IRS since the tax breaks than in the history of the Tax system.
Making money and spending money are two separate issues. Bush might be spending more money than others in past but he is also making more money than past presidents.
What we need is someone to continue the Tax breaks and then also spend less money!
aplusmnt said:Oldtimer said:Thats fine if you are fiscally conservative-- but that won't work if you keep spending more than is coming in-- and especially with SS which was needing a big input even before GW decided to blow the rest of it....
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Government spending and Tax Revenue are separate issues. Soapweed pointed out how to bring more money into Washington. If the politicians choose to spend more than comes in that does not change the fact that lower taxes help generate more money.
I do not have the statistics at hand but was sure that more revenue has came into the IRS since the tax breaks than in the history of the Tax system.
Making money and spending money are two separate issues. Bush might be spending more money than others in past but he is also making more money than past presidents.
What we need is someone to continue the Tax breaks and then also spend less money!
Oldtimer said:We've went from being a world leader- to having to develop our policies around keeping everyone happy, so they don't foreclose on us...![]()
That's a bunch of hogwash oldwhiner. I'll sit buy and let you berate the president all you want but to fabricate out and out lies and blame Bush for a failed SS program is stupid. It was a sorry program from the onset. You've stood by while they aborted over 40 million contributors to the program. There has never been a SS savings account to my knowledge. Somehow you arrive to the brilliant conclusion that all this is GW's fault. Get real.Oldtimer said:Soapweed said:Oldtimer said:That sounds like a Hillary type answer Soap :shock:
Who pays off our debt with China- and Venezuela- and all the other countries.... :???: Where does the money come from to repay the Social Security fund-- money that was paid in by workers as a safety net for their latter years (money that wasn't supposed to be touched for any other reason)-- many of which are already drawing on these funds-but will be broke if we (our government) breaks our promise to them... :???:
If taxes are raised, the politicians just spend until it is gone anyway. Allow businesses to prosper without the threat of higher percentage taxes, and more tax money will be made in the long run with lower percentage taxes. For example, a twenty percent tax on a hundred dollar income would be twenty dollars. A fifteen percent tax on two hundred dollars would be thirty dollars. A lower tax percentage rate results in more income, which in the long run actually puts more money into Uncle Sam's till. When the Liberals break all the productive businesses because of too much taxes, nobody gets ahead. If a business can prosper, they hire extra labor. The extra labor is earning wages, and the labor then pays taxes. Otherwise, often times the people that could be earning money, if they can't find a job, go on welfare instead. This results in a lose-lose situation. The Liberals can't seem to figure this out.
Thats fine if you are fiscally conservative-- but that won't work if you keep spending more than is coming in-- and especially with SS which was needing a big input even before GW decided to blow the rest of it....
And it doesn't work when you ship more and more higher paying jobs and industry overseas- and allow unlimited immigration of cheap labor (much of it illegal) to even lower US wages.....
The threat that the Republicans (GW style) are going to back out of their agreement with millions of seniors is the reason you have a large yuppie population now voting for the Democrats...
Soapweed--what if you had had to pay for your ranch- and had put in a monthly payment for 40 years- and just when you had it all paid for- you were told that you don't get the ranch and all the money you paid in had been squandered and was gone.....p*** you off- I'll bet eh :???: ....
Well thats about what GW is currently proposing- and what will happen if someone doesn't make a drastic move to revitalize the fund within the next couple years.... At current levels--just full employment won't hack it....
And the Republicans had control of Congress for 12 years and total control of D.C. for 6 years and did nothing to fix the problem- just contributed by spending the money...
As I said before--GW's and the Republican Congress's lack of "fiscal responsibility" and drunken sailer spending is the reason D.C. will be controlled by the Democrats for the next decade or two-- and taxes will be increased- and many social policies not liked by many on here will be passed....