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Antartic ice growing, not shrinking

Sandhusker

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Revealed: Antarctic ice growing, not shrinkingFont Size: Decrease Increase Print Page: Print Greg Roberts | April 18, 2009
Article from: The Australian
ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.

The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast.

Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month.

However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia.

East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting of Antarctic Treaty nations in Washington noted the South Pole had shown "significant cooling in recent decades".

Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica.

"Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally," Dr Allison said.

The melting of sea ice -- fast ice and pack ice -- does not cause sea levels to rise because the ice is in the water. Sea levels may rise with losses from freshwater ice sheets on the polar caps. In Antarctica, these losses are in the form of icebergs calved from ice shelves formed by glacial movements on the mainland.

Last week, federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said experts predicted sea level rises of up to 6m from Antarctic melting by 2100, but the worst case scenario foreshadowed by the SCAR report was a 1.25m rise.

Mr Garrett insisted global warming was causing ice losses throughout Antarctica. "I don't think there's any doubt it is contributing to what we've seen both on the Wilkins shelf and more generally in Antarctica," he said.

Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting. "The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west," he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual.

"Ice shelves in general have episodic carvings and there can be large icebergs breaking off -- I'm talking 100km or 200km long -- every 10 or 20 or 50 years."

Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m.

A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded.
 

per

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There was a Lets Stop Global Warming ad at the bottom of this thread! :shock: Hate being hit with the Cold hard facts. :?
 

Cal

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Yeah, but.......it's still gonna get really really hot in Wisconsin.....like, hot enough to bake a pie, even! Therz college perfessers that couldn't get a real job that sez so... :p :lol: :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
Bump for Badaxe.

Sandy I think badax flew the coop. If you notice over the last few days several libs have offered up excuses as to why they feal it necessary to move on.

kind of makes you wonder if they are not really sick of that vote they cast and to chicken to fess up . Again it seems its easier for them to move on.

Then again we might want to google and see if there have been any ovens blow up while baking pies. This is quite possible when one becomes as addled as badax was. :lol:
 

Larrry

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I think badaxe has been baking his newest creation. It is crowpie, hope he doesn't eat it at all one setting. He could invite r2 and nn over
 

hypocritexposer

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Larrry said:
I think badaxe has been baking his newest creation. It is crowpie, hope he doesn't eat it at all one setting. He could invite r2 and nn over

nn's latest post were deleted. As always, he came on late last night, spewed some insults, but the post is gone this morning.

Too bad, he was in the midst of outlining his recipe for "pizza pie"

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aplusmnt

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Sandhusker said:
Revealed: Antarctic ice growing, not shrinkingFont Size: Decrease Increase Print Page: Print Greg Roberts | April 18, 2009
Article from: The Australian
ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.

The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast.

Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month.

However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia.

East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting of Antarctic Treaty nations in Washington noted the South Pole had shown "significant cooling in recent decades".

Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica.

"Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally," Dr Allison said.

The melting of sea ice -- fast ice and pack ice -- does not cause sea levels to rise because the ice is in the water. Sea levels may rise with losses from freshwater ice sheets on the polar caps. In Antarctica, these losses are in the form of icebergs calved from ice shelves formed by glacial movements on the mainland.

Last week, federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said experts predicted sea level rises of up to 6m from Antarctic melting by 2100, but the worst case scenario foreshadowed by the SCAR report was a 1.25m rise.

Mr Garrett insisted global warming was causing ice losses throughout Antarctica. "I don't think there's any doubt it is contributing to what we've seen both on the Wilkins shelf and more generally in Antarctica," he said.

Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting. "The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west," he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual.

"Ice shelves in general have episodic carvings and there can be large icebergs breaking off -- I'm talking 100km or 200km long -- every 10 or 20 or 50 years."

Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m.

A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded.

I have always said if someone can name me an ice cap that is melting I can name them three that is growing. The past years the Liberal sources have only talked about those decreasing and have given no attention to the ones that are increasing.
 

Steve

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Sandhusker said:
Bump for Badaxe.

who is Badaxe?

oh yea,.. haven't heard from him since he lost the bet..

I guess someone should send him a pm to see if he will come back and visit..
 

Steve

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RobertMac said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/science/space/21sunspot.html

I was pricing out insulation this afternoon.. I think the crawl space could use some... the rest of the house has a great R-value but I neglected the crawl space..

oh., sorry,.. back on the subject... do you think it will get colder with less sun spots.

I was thinking about adding some additional insulation .. do you think it would be a good investment?
 

RobertMac

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Steve said:
RobertMac said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/science/space/21sunspot.html

I was pricing out insulation this afternoon.. I think the crawl space could use some... the rest of the house has a great R-value but I neglected the crawl space..

oh., sorry,.. back on the subject... do you think it will get colder with less sun spots.

I was thinking about adding some additional insulation .. do you think it would be a good investment?
The one thing I know for sure is that it will get a lot colder without the sun. :wink: If Obama gets his way, energy prices will go extremely high and additional insulation will be a good investment.
 

Steve

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RobertMac said:
Steve said:
RobertMac said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/science/space/21sunspot.html

I was pricing out insulation this afternoon.. I think the crawl space could use some... the rest of the house has a great R-value but I neglected the crawl space..

oh., sorry,.. back on the subject... do you think it will get colder with less sun spots.

I was thinking about adding some additional insulation .. do you think it would be a good investment?
The one thing I know for sure is that it will get a lot colder without the sun. :wink: If Obama gets his way, energy prices will go extremely high and additional insulation will be a good investment.


I hope the speculation concerning sunspots is partly wrong, or it's going to get alot colder long before we have to worry about global warming..
During the period 1645–1715, in the middle of the Little Ice Age, there was a period of low solar activity known as the Maunder Minimum. A growing body of scientific evidence indicates that there is a very low understanding of the correlation between low sunspot activity and cooling temperatures.[40][41] The Spörer Minimum has also been identified with a significant cooling period near the beginning of the Little Ice Age.[citation needed] Other indicators of low solar activity during this period are levels of the isotopes carbon-14 and beryllium-10.[42]
 

RobertMac

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Steve said:
RobertMac said:
Steve said:
I was pricing out insulation this afternoon.. I think the crawl space could use some... the rest of the house has a great R-value but I neglected the crawl space..

oh., sorry,.. back on the subject... do you think it will get colder with less sun spots.

I was thinking about adding some additional insulation .. do you think it would be a good investment?
The one thing I know for sure is that it will get a lot colder without the sun. :wink: If Obama gets his way, energy prices will go extremely high and additional insulation will be a good investment.


I hope the speculation concerning sunspots is partly wrong, or it's going to get alot colder long before we have to worry about global warming..
During the period 1645–1715, in the middle of the Little Ice Age, there was a period of low solar activity known as the Maunder Minimum. A growing body of scientific evidence indicates that there is a very low understanding of the correlation between low sunspot activity and cooling temperatures.[40][41] The Spörer Minimum has also been identified with a significant cooling period near the beginning of the Little Ice Age.[citation needed] Other indicators of low solar activity during this period are levels of the isotopes carbon-14 and beryllium-10.[42]
The only thing known for sure about climate change is that nothing is known for sure! The sun is by far the most important factor in our climate, yet scientist are uncertain of exactly how it effects us.
 

aplusmnt

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RobertMac said:
Steve said:
RobertMac said:
The one thing I know for sure is that it will get a lot colder without the sun. :wink: If Obama gets his way, energy prices will go extremely high and additional insulation will be a good investment.


I hope the speculation concerning sunspots is partly wrong, or it's going to get alot colder long before we have to worry about global warming..
During the period 1645–1715, in the middle of the Little Ice Age, there was a period of low solar activity known as the Maunder Minimum. A growing body of scientific evidence indicates that there is a very low understanding of the correlation between low sunspot activity and cooling temperatures.[40][41] The Spörer Minimum has also been identified with a significant cooling period near the beginning of the Little Ice Age.[citation needed] Other indicators of low solar activity during this period are levels of the isotopes carbon-14 and beryllium-10.[42]
The only thing known for sure about climate change is that nothing is known for sure! The sun is by far the most important factor in our climate, yet scientist are uncertain of exactly how it effects us.

So true, sun flare activity has increased bunches in past decade or so. Another factor is the temperature reporting stations have changed so much over the last 50 years that we have no accurate record to compare rather temperature as a whole is really getting hotter at all.

1,000s of reporting stations world wide have been shut down and many have been moved from fields to airports.

Also if you look at Hurricane activity it was way worse on numerous decades back in the 1800's and early 1900's but Global warming activist try to lie to us and show this as proof of global warming.

It is all a money and power hoax and the sheep just buy into it because the Government says it is so! When those that scream the loudest have the most money to be made a red flag should go up to us!
 

hypocritexposer

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The World Bank is spending billions of pounds subsidising new coal-fired power stations in developing countries despite claiming that burning fossil fuels exposes the poor to catastrophic climate change. The bank, which has a goal of reducing poverty and is funded by Britain and other developed countries, calls on all nations in a report today to “act differently on climate change”.

It says that the world must reduce its dependence on fossil fuels, but it is funding several giant coal-burning plants that will each emit millions of tonnes of carbon dioxide a year for the next 40 to 50 years.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6836112.ece
 
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