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Anybody want a puppy?

gcreekrch

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If someone wants to pay the freight and for my time to skin and stretch, PM me and I won't chuck him in the bush. He's 31 inches at the shoulder and 6 feet + from nose to tail, not a big one by any means.
 

Jigger Boss

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Sure looks like he's got a nice coat on him! :)
You can keep him though, got enough of them up here that are easily had. :wink: He'd make a nice rug or wall hanging for someone though :) .
 

WyomingRancher

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Faster horses said:
WOW. He would be scary to meet up with.

Are they all that dark?

They are scary to meet up with, especially when you aren't expecting to see one in southeast Wyoming :shock: ... two falls ago I saw one, that same dark color, strolling through my cows. Somebody reported seeing it to G&F, and they came out to confirm. We DNA'd hair from some barb wire he crossed under, and it came back as a wolf... I thought they were supposed to stay in the park :roll: .
 

Nicky

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Mike wants to know if you were hunting him or was he harassing the critters? Maybe we'll come shoot one :wink:
 
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Anonymous

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Really black !!! Last one I saw that straight black was 20-30 years ago... Not sure where the ones coming in lately have been from- but they are lighter- more silver all over like that ones flanks look....
 

gcreekrch

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BBRoo, right now there is a pack of 9-1 :D and a single or two following behind, there were two on the bait this morning.

Faster Horses & OT, They are in various shades of black to brown with silver hair mixed in and also a lot of coyote colored.

Nicky, we are loaded for predators year round. In the winter we have a bait-pile 175 yds from the kitchen window. We clean it up before the bears come out to try and not teach them to eat beef.

Yanuck, I gave this one to 3 brothers (ages 9-13) that are getting "rich" in the fur trade the last couple of years. Their dad is a good skinner and has taught them well. I would think $50-$75 to them for skinning and stretching so it could be shipped dry, I would have to find out what the export permit costs and the rest is just postage.
 

Faster horses

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And to think, the US bought them from Canada for $2500 each.

I always knew you guys had to be rolling on the ground laughing your a$$es off!!! And I didn't blame you! :lol: :? :cry:
 

gcreekrch

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Faster horses said:
And to think, the US bought them from Canada for $2500 each.

I always knew you guys had to be rolling on the ground laughing your not nicees off!!! And I didn't blame you! :lol: :? :cry:

You folks south of the border may not realize it yet but I believe that your wolves will eventually be a greater problem to livestock producers than most issues you are fighting today.
Like cockroaches and flies they are not easy to eradicate. :wink:
 
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The wolf-dog connection
Scientists discover genetic link between black wolves, first domesticated dogs
By BRETT FRENCH
Of The Gazette Staff

The black wolf trotting across Yellowstone National Park's Lamar Valley can trace its heritage back to the first domesticated dogs that crossed with humans from Asia 10,000 to 15,000 years ago.

Researchers collaborating in a study of the genetic mutation for dark coat color made the link, according to a report published Thursday in the journal Science.

"It's also fascinating to think that a portion of the first Native American dogs, which are now extinct, may live on in wolves," said Greg Barsh, a Stanford University genetics professor.

Barsh and graduate student Tovi Anderson collaborated with scientists at the University of California-Los Angeles, the University of Calgary, the National Park Service at Yellowstone National Park and the National Human Genome Research Institute. Scientists from Sweden and Italy also participated. The study was based largely on genetic data gathered by Yellowstone National Park wolf biologist Doug Smith and his crew as part of their research to find out whether there was genetic exchange among wolves reintroduced in the park, those planted in Idaho and those that live in northwestern Montana.

"This is really a spin-off of the more intensive research we're doing," Smith said.

Since wolves were reintroduced to Yellowstone from Canada 13 years ago, about half have been black and half gray.

Because the black coat tends to be found more predominantly among forested wolves in the Canadian Arctic - 62 percent, compared with 7 percent of the wolves on the tundra - researchers speculated that a darker coat may have some advantage for woodland wolves.

To find out, the scientists compared DNA samples from 224 black and gray wolves in Yellowstone and 41 black, white and gray wolves in the Canadian Arctic with domestic dogs and gray and black coyotes.

Using a variety of genetic tests, the researchers found that the black-coat mutation was probably introduced into wolves by dogs sometime in the past 10,000 to 15,000 years, about the same time the first Americans were migrating across the Bering land bridge. These humans were probably accompanied by dogs, some of which carried the black-coat mutation estimated to have arisen about 50,000 years ago.

"I was very surprised," Smith said. "This just attests to how readily these different species of canids interbreed. It doesn't take much to get a gene transfer between species to take off and do pretty well."

Smith said it's extremely rare for Western wolves, which have a larger body, to interbreed with dogs, and they usually kill any coyotes they see. Interbreeding with coyotes and dogs may be more common for Eastern and Midwestern wolves, which have smaller bodies, he said.

The multitude of blood samples that Smith and his colleagues have collected from Yellowstone's wolves show that there has been genetic exchange between the park's wolves and the surrounding populations, Smith said.

"That's why we think delisting should move forward," he said. "There are several wolves that have moved between Yellowstone and Idaho, and there is connectivity."

In a seesaw battle, wolves in Montana and Idaho and the Great Lakes region were to be delisted in February, but the Obama administration has put the move on hold. Wyoming was left out of the delisting because its management rules consider the animal a predator, which can be shot on sight, across most of the state.
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2009/02/06/news/wyoming/18-hungrylike.txt

The science behind mutation
Professor Greg Barsh's Stanford laboratory has spent years studying genes affecting coat color and other biological pathways in mammals. In 2007, his lab discovered that the gene responsible for black fur in dogs, called beta-defensin, belongs to a family of genes previously believed to be involved in fighting infection. One version of the gene produces light or yellow-colored dogs and wolves; a mutant version missing three nucleotides produces black animals.

"Wildlife biologists don't really think that wolves rely much on camouflage to protect themselves or to increase their hunting success," Barsh said. "It's possible there is something else going on here. For example, the protein responsible for the coat color difference has been implicated, in humans, in inflammation and infection, and therefore might give black animals an advantage that is distinct from its effect on pigmentation."

Graduate student Tovi Anderson's study confirmed that the black-coat gene shows evidence of positive selection in forest wolves. She also showed that the gene is dominant, meaning that an animal with only one copy of the gene would still have a black coat. Ten of 14 pups of a mating between a black wolf and a gray wolf carried the gene and were black.

It's not possible to tell whether there were any black wolves before the domestication of dogs. It may be that the mutation arose in the wolf population before the domestication of the dog, between 15,000 and 40,000 years ago, and then died out in the wild.

The researchers speculate that the loss of the wolves' tundra habitat may encourage the spread of the black-coat gene. They're interested in finding out exactly how the mutation works to help forest wolves.

The research underscores the idea that evolution may involve other instances in which traits are passed in unexpected directions.

The research was funded by the National Institutes of Health, the National Science Foundation and the Swedish Research Council.

- Stanford University Medical Center
 

Jigger Boss

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Cool!! This one looks quite a bit bigger than the black.
I think they both would look good in BMR's safari!.... although he wouldn't be able to brag about shooting them in his underware. :p :lol:

Neighbour here was sayin' he was gettin' 600.00 per hide. Don't know if he's BS'n or not.
 
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