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Anyone else get their first check of the year?

Zilly

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I realize this may not apply to many on here, and is more of a vent. I received my first paycheck of the new year and that's another $30 a week that will not be going into the local economy. And it's just a start to pay for Obamacare. Can't wait to see how much more our out of touch Gov't takes when they decide to get serious about our financial mess.
 

leanin' H

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My first check of the year is $60 less than last year! :mad: Congratulations congress and president obama for screwing over the working man as usual. Pretty amazing when the rich and the poor all hate you obama. :evil:
 

Steve

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I received my first paycheck of the new year and that's another $30 a week that will not be going into the local economy.

for several months now I have been waiting on a sizable check from a large corporation. and have heard about every polite excuse you could think of...

this morning they called to "verify" my address... when i mentioned it to a friend associated with the company,.. he laughed and said.. that by not paying me last year they made more last year and put the expense on this years books..

and by what I now know and expect.. it will be a bit less then I would have been paid last year as the estimated taxes will be higher both in state and federal taxes.. I'll let you know how much it is when it arrives...

just goes to show that the "rich" can manipulate the rules to squeeze out an extra profit and that the working class will always pay for that....
 

Zilly

Well-known member
TSR said:
Your check stubs should show the deductions/increases, mind telling us where they were?

I get an electronic copy and don't have access to my company computer so I can't tell you exactly. The biggest increase was in Social Security OASDI. It was over $20.

$30 doesn't sound like much, but over a year that's over $1500. A sizable chunk of change. And what really burns me is that both my employer and I, already pay for insurance. Combine that with me being younger and never going to see Social Security, I am being forced to pay into a program that will not benefit me. This is on top of the large sum of taxes I already pay.

It just burns me up when I do what I'm supposed to (buy a house, little debt, save money, etc) and I can't get ahead because much of my expenses are taxes. Property tax, income tax, capital gains tax, sales tax. It never ends. In this area, I honestly don't know how single income families make it in this day and age.

Edit to add: after cooling down, I see this has nothing to do with Obamacare, but is the end of a "tax holiday". But I still stand by what I said about the money I give up today will never help me in the future. I'd rather have it to save on my own accord.
 

leanin' H

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TSR said:
Your check stubs should show the deductions/increases, mind telling us where they were?

Mine shows a larger witholding for federal payroll taxes which amounts to $59.86 every two weeks. That amount makes my checks almost $60 smaller every two weeks. $120 a month out of my budget for a bunch of politicians to spend pisses me off!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: Democrats, repubilcans, independents and the president can all kiss my backside.
 

TSR

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I can only say that now as I'm reaching Soc. Security age I'm certainly glad it was taken out of my check these past 42yrs. A while back I was talking to a friend of mine who farmed about 3500-4000 acres-beans and corn primarily. He allowed his father-in-law (his partner and main financier of the operation) to pay him a lot of cash wages,when he became 62 he complained about the small amount of his Soc. Sec. check, acknowledging that it had been a terrible mistake on his part not having paid in more.
 

leanin' H

Well-known member
TSR said:
I can only say that now as I'm reaching Soc. Security age I'm certainly glad it was taken out of my check these past 42yrs. A while back I was talking to a friend of mine who farmed about 3500-4000 acres-beans and corn primarily. He allowed his father-in-law (his partner and main financier of the operation) to pay him a lot of cash wages,when he became 62 he complained about the small amount of his Soc. Sec. check, acknowledging that it had been a terrible mistake on his part not having paid in more.

I am in my 40's and i recieve a notice every year from social security telling me how much i have paid in and what i'll get when i retire......at 72 for full benefits. The small print also informs me unless something changes, i will only get 47% of my stated benefits because we are paying out more than we take in. I'd rather have my own money to invest or waste as I SEE FIT than let the government have it to waste. My retirement plan is death. I will work til i die, have my biggest bills paid for unless a catastrophy happens and my spouse will have my life insurance and a tiny amount of SS to live on. What other choice do i have? Sure be nice to invest now, but feeding a family is our budget. We don't travel except in our own state, have very little debt, drive a 2001 a 1984 and a 1990 trucks, eat out rarely. I have a great job and fence in my spare time, plus our cattle. And now the government is taking $120 a month more than they did last year! How about i keep that money and put it away for down the trail? I would rather not pay a dime of social security and figure out my own retirement than have faith in the government, like your friend, to take care of me. Right now, i am paying but will only recieve a tiny return for my money. :? Til they can show that they have half a clue, let me take care of myself!
 

hypocritexposer

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TSR said:
I can only say that now as I'm reaching Soc. Security age I'm certainly glad it was taken out of my check these past 42yrs. A while back I was talking to a friend of mine who farmed about 3500-4000 acres-beans and corn primarily. He allowed his father-in-law (his partner and main financier of the operation) to pay him a lot of cash wages,when he became 62 he complained about the small amount of his Soc. Sec. check, acknowledging that it had been a terrible mistake on his part not having paid in more.


When Repub. votes against a middle class tax cut like this, they are said to be against the middle class, but when obama and the Dems. discontinue it, it is said to be a good thing.

:lol:


At least the Dems. gave Goldman Sachs the tax credits. :roll:
 
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leanin' H said:
TSR said:
I can only say that now as I'm reaching Soc. Security age I'm certainly glad it was taken out of my check these past 42yrs. A while back I was talking to a friend of mine who farmed about 3500-4000 acres-beans and corn primarily. He allowed his father-in-law (his partner and main financier of the operation) to pay him a lot of cash wages,when he became 62 he complained about the small amount of his Soc. Sec. check, acknowledging that it had been a terrible mistake on his part not having paid in more.

I am in my 40's and i recieve a notice every year from social security telling me how much i have paid in and what i'll get when i retire......at 72 for full benefits. The small print also informs me unless something changes, i will only get 47% of my stated benefits because we are paying out more than we take in. I'd rather have my own money to invest or waste as I SEE FIT than let the government have it to waste. My retirement plan is death. I will work til i die, have my biggest bills paid for unless a catastrophy happens and my spouse will have my life insurance and a tiny amount of SS to live on. What other choice do i have? Sure be nice to invest now, but feeding a family is our budget. We don't travel except in our own state, have very little debt, drive a 2001 a 1984 and a 1990 trucks, eat out rarely. I have a great job and fence in my spare time, plus our cattle. And now the government is taking $120 a month more than they did last year! How about i keep that money and put it away for down the trail? I would rather not pay a dime of social security and figure out my own retirement than have faith in the government, like your friend, to take care of me. Right now, i am paying but will only recieve a tiny return for my money. :? Til they can show that they have half a clue, let me take care of myself!

For the same reason for the past 40 years the responsible folks of this nation have been saying we need a "mandated" health care insurance-- because so many are irresponsible and won't do the right thing (like insuring or investing) and will end up needing to be cared for and cost the responsible folks anyway...

Its either that or throw the unemployable, elderly, incapacitated, sick, etc. out onto the street- and refuse medical care- and let them die...And we know that in a civilized nation as ours we would never do that...
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
For the same reason for the past 40 years the responsible folks of this nation have been saying we need a "mandated" health care insurance-- because so many are irresponsible and won't do the right thing (like insuring or investing) and will end up needing to be cared for and cost the responsible folks anyway...

Its either that or throw the unemployable, elderly, incapacitated, sick, etc. out onto the street- and refuse medical care- and let them die...And we know that in a civilized nation as ours we would never do that...


Why has picking up the tab for those not insured, just increased by over $1Trillion dollars, under obamacare?

You claim that you were paying for these costs previously, so, why did those costs just get so much more expensive?
 

leanin' H

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
leanin' H said:
TSR said:
I can only say that now as I'm reaching Soc. Security age I'm certainly glad it was taken out of my check these past 42yrs. A while back I was talking to a friend of mine who farmed about 3500-4000 acres-beans and corn primarily. He allowed his father-in-law (his partner and main financier of the operation) to pay him a lot of cash wages,when he became 62 he complained about the small amount of his Soc. Sec. check, acknowledging that it had been a terrible mistake on his part not having paid in more.

I am in my 40's and i recieve a notice every year from social security telling me how much i have paid in and what i'll get when i retire......at 72 for full benefits. The small print also informs me unless something changes, i will only get 47% of my stated benefits because we are paying out more than we take in. I'd rather have my own money to invest or waste as I SEE FIT than let the government have it to waste. My retirement plan is death. I will work til i die, have my biggest bills paid for unless a catastrophy happens and my spouse will have my life insurance and a tiny amount of SS to live on. What other choice do i have? Sure be nice to invest now, but feeding a family is our budget. We don't travel except in our own state, have very little debt, drive a 2001 a 1984 and a 1990 trucks, eat out rarely. I have a great job and fence in my spare time, plus our cattle. And now the government is taking $120 a month more than they did last year! How about i keep that money and put it away for down the trail? I would rather not pay a dime of social security and figure out my own retirement than have faith in the government, like your friend, to take care of me. Right now, i am paying but will only recieve a tiny return for my money. :? Til they can show that they have half a clue, let me take care of myself!

For the same reason for the past 40 years the responsible folks of this nation have been saying we need a "mandated" health care insurance-- because so many are irresponsible and won't do the right thing (like insuring or investing) and will end up needing to be cared for and cost the responsible folks anyway...

Its either that or throw the unemployable, elderly, incapacitated, sick, etc. out onto the street- and refuse medical care- and let them die...And we know that in a civilized nation as ours we would never do that...

We are taking care of a big chunk of the irresponsible folks now! Folks who could work but would take a pay cut to do it! Folks who win the lottery but keep thier food stamps! Folks in my one area who ask for church assistance for food and electricity but 2 days later the satelite TV truck installs satelite TV! :???: I bought my own health insurance for dang near 8 years while self-employed. I know how expensive it is and would still rather pay for it myself than be told what i will do by a government that cant run a post office, a railroad and made a massive hurricane WORSE! :shock: Family should step in and help sick folks or their church and then thier neighbors. Government should be a last resort. Instead, 47% of this country runs there with a hang nail and I PAY FOR IT!!! There's a huge difference between folks who NEED help and folks who WANT help! And there's a $120 less in my checkbook every month going to a government thats 16 TRILLION + IN DEBT, for them to give to who????? Most likely someone with thier hand out and thier feet up! I would be the first person to help someone that truly needs the help. Just the way i was raised and 99% of the folks here at ranchers.net are probably the same way....... But taking money away from MY KIDS and MY WIFE IS UNACCEPTABLE TO ME!!! Until the government proves they can live on a budget, i see no reason to trust them with my money. You said responsible folks will have to take care of the irresponsible ones right? (If we had our own SS money and we blew it one gambling or something) Well an irresponsible government is blowing this responsible persons money anyway! $120 more this year than last! And i'm supposed to just be fine with that? :???: If you wanta have faith in healthcare from the government, that is sure your choice. But they havent proven anything from amtrac to social security except that they are horrible business people and money managers. Why would healthcare be ANY DIFFERENT?
 

Zilly

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
For the same reason for the past 40 years the responsible folks of this nation have been saying we need a "mandated" health care insurance-- because so many are irresponsible and won't do the right thing (like insuring or investing) and will end up needing to be cared for and cost the responsible folks anyway...

Its either that or throw the unemployable, elderly, incapacitated, sick, etc. out onto the street- and refuse medical care- and let them die...And we know that in a civilized nation as ours we would never do that...

I am sympathetic to those without employer provided/subsidized healthcare and retirement plans. Without them I would be a nervous wreck. But what makes this country so great is that every single person gets to choose their own path. Some go to college, some drop out of school, some start their own business and some work for others. Whatever path they choose for themselves is their decision, and that's their cross to bear.

It's time for the Gov't to get out of providing people with a safety net. Allow organizations such as The Church, food banks, etc. To do what they do best...provide the means for a person to get back on their feet. I'm just guessing but I would think donations to those organizations would go through the roof if the Gov't wasn't taking so much.
 

TexasBred

Well-known member
Zilly said:
Oldtimer said:
For the same reason for the past 40 years the responsible folks of this nation have been saying we need a "mandated" health care insurance-- because so many are irresponsible and won't do the right thing (like insuring or investing) and will end up needing to be cared for and cost the responsible folks anyway...

Its either that or throw the unemployable, elderly, incapacitated, sick, etc. out onto the street- and refuse medical care- and let them die...And we know that in a civilized nation as ours we would never do that...

I am sympathetic to those without employer provided/subsidized healthcare and retirement plans. Without them I would be a nervous wreck. But what makes this country so great is that every single person gets to choose their own path. Some go to college, some drop out of school, some start their own business and some work for others. Whatever path they choose for themselves is their decision, and that's their cross to bear.

It's time for the Gov't to get out of providing people with a safety net. Allow organizations such as The Church, food banks, etc. To do what they do best...provide the means for a person to get back on their feet. I'm just guessing but I would think donations to those organizations would go through the roof if the Gov't wasn't taking so much.

Zilly I"m sure with the new higher tax rates on "The Rich" you're going to see many of them increase their charitable giving. They will not pay more taxes and I agree with them 100%. I plan to do the same.
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
TexasBred said:
Zilly said:
Oldtimer said:
For the same reason for the past 40 years the responsible folks of this nation have been saying we need a "mandated" health care insurance-- because so many are irresponsible and won't do the right thing (like insuring or investing) and will end up needing to be cared for and cost the responsible folks anyway...

Its either that or throw the unemployable, elderly, incapacitated, sick, etc. out onto the street- and refuse medical care- and let them die...And we know that in a civilized nation as ours we would never do that...

I am sympathetic to those without employer provided/subsidized healthcare and retirement plans. Without them I would be a nervous wreck. But what makes this country so great is that every single person gets to choose their own path. Some go to college, some drop out of school, some start their own business and some work for others. Whatever path they choose for themselves is their decision, and that's their cross to bear.

It's time for the Gov't to get out of providing people with a safety net. Allow organizations such as The Church, food banks, etc. To do what they do best...provide the means for a person to get back on their feet. I'm just guessing but I would think donations to those organizations would go through the roof if the Gov't wasn't taking so much.

Zilly I"m sure with the new higher tax rates on "The Rich" you're going to see many of them increase their charitable giving. They will not pay more taxes and I agree with them 100%. I plan to do the same.




Major Gifts Drop 30% In 2012

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/billionaires-charity-2012_n_2397338.html


the funny thing about that article is that the "left" is upset that Buffett is not giving as much to his 2 sons' charities, while they demonized Romney, for using tax "loopholes", to give to his sons' charities.

:lol: :lol:
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
leanin' H said:
TSR said:
I can only say that now as I'm reaching Soc. Security age I'm certainly glad it was taken out of my check these past 42yrs. A while back I was talking to a friend of mine who farmed about 3500-4000 acres-beans and corn primarily. He allowed his father-in-law (his partner and main financier of the operation) to pay him a lot of cash wages,when he became 62 he complained about the small amount of his Soc. Sec. check, acknowledging that it had been a terrible mistake on his part not having paid in more.

I am in my 40's and i recieve a notice every year from social security telling me how much i have paid in and what i'll get when i retire......at 72 for full benefits. The small print also informs me unless something changes, i will only get 47% of my stated benefits because we are paying out more than we take in. I'd rather have my own money to invest or waste as I SEE FIT than let the government have it to waste. My retirement plan is death. I will work til i die, have my biggest bills paid for unless a catastrophy happens and my spouse will have my life insurance and a tiny amount of SS to live on. What other choice do i have? Sure be nice to invest now, but feeding a family is our budget. We don't travel except in our own state, have very little debt, drive a 2001 a 1984 and a 1990 trucks, eat out rarely. I have a great job and fence in my spare time, plus our cattle. And now the government is taking $120 a month more than they did last year! How about i keep that money and put it away for down the trail? I would rather not pay a dime of social security and figure out my own retirement than have faith in the government, like your friend, to take care of me. Right now, i am paying but will only recieve a tiny return for my money. :? Til they can show that they have half a clue, let me take care of myself!

For the same reason for the past 40 years the responsible folks of this nation have been saying we need a "mandated" health care insurance-- because so many are irresponsible and won't do the right thing (like insuring or investing) and will end up needing to be cared for and cost the responsible folks anyway...

Its either that or throw the unemployable, elderly, incapacitated, sick, etc. out onto the street- and refuse medical care- and let them die...And we know that in a civilized nation as ours we would never do that...

And there ya have it folks. You're not capable of taking care of yourself so just turn your money over to Big Brother and he'll take care of you.

If that's not what OT just said, then what did he just say?

And OT, to say that those who have called for "mandated" health care insurance are "the responsible folks of the nation" is being intellectually dishonest. There are plenty of responsible folks of the nation who want the government to stay the hell out of their bedrooms and doctor's offices while they're sick.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
oldtimer want the government to stay out of his bedroom, but he wants them to cover his butt when it comes to insurance????????????\
Talk about a POS :roll: :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
leanin' H said:
I am in my 40's and i recieve a notice every year from social security telling me how much i have paid in and what i'll get when i retire......at 72 for full benefits. The small print also informs me unless something changes, i will only get 47% of my stated benefits because we are paying out more than we take in. I'd rather have my own money to invest or waste as I SEE FIT than let the government have it to waste. My retirement plan is death. I will work til i die, have my biggest bills paid for unless a catastrophy happens and my spouse will have my life insurance and a tiny amount of SS to live on. What other choice do i have? Sure be nice to invest now, but feeding a family is our budget. We don't travel except in our own state, have very little debt, drive a 2001 a 1984 and a 1990 trucks, eat out rarely. I have a great job and fence in my spare time, plus our cattle. And now the government is taking $120 a month more than they did last year! How about i keep that money and put it away for down the trail? I would rather not pay a dime of social security and figure out my own retirement than have faith in the government, like your friend, to take care of me. Right now, i am paying but will only recieve a tiny return for my money. :? Til they can show that they have half a clue, let me take care of myself!

For the same reason for the past 40 years the responsible folks of this nation have been saying we need a "mandated" health care insurance-- because so many are irresponsible and won't do the right thing (like insuring or investing) and will end up needing to be cared for and cost the responsible folks anyway...

Its either that or throw the unemployable, elderly, incapacitated, sick, etc. out onto the street- and refuse medical care- and let them die...And we know that in a civilized nation as ours we would never do that...

And there ya have it folks. You're not capable of taking care of yourself so just turn your money over to Big Brother and he'll take care of you.

If that's not what OT just said, then what did he just say?

And OT, to say that those who have called for "mandated" health care insurance are "the responsible folks of the nation" is being intellectually dishonest. There are plenty of responsible folks of the nation who want the government to stay the hell out of their bedrooms and doctor's offices while they're sick.


they like to compare it to car insurance, so here's my comparison.

I don't purchase collision, just liability, cause it is the law.

If someone else is at fault, then they pay for the damages, "no fault", but if I am, I pay...

Not paying for collision, has saved me $1000s over the years.

when it comes to healthcare, I would like to see others pay for their own fender benders, and purchase their own birth control.
 

Red Barn Angus

Well-known member
This is just the beginning. There are so many that expect someone else to be responsible and take care of them and the idiot pres thinks that is a good idea because those people will vote for him. And it's all about him, not the country. When folks like H have had enough and throw in the towel to live higher on government welfare that's when we are totally lost as a country. There will no longer be any dreams, any hope or any desire to succeed and take care of one's self. I see some of this in my daughter's generation (37). They got an education, worked hard and are getting nowhere. When I was that age I was pretty excited about the future, they are not. It's a horrible sin what this government has done to our once fine country.
 

TexasBred

Well-known member
For the same reason for the past 40 years the responsible folks of this nation have been saying we need a "mandated" health care insurance-- because so many are irresponsible and won't do the right thing (like insuring or investing) and will end up needing to be cared for and cost the responsible folks anyway...

Its either that or throw the unemployable, elderly, incapacitated, sick, etc. out onto the street- and refuse medical care- and let them die...And we know that in a civilized nation as ours we would never do that.

Obama care gives us all of this:
 
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