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Apology to bse-tester

Econ101

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~SH~ said:
The politics is truly against you on this one bse-tester. If your test would do what you say it would, USDA should be jumping at it. Food safety is not taken lightly in this country.

I just think there is more to the story regarding your test than what you are telling us because consumer food safety is a very high priority item within our government.

Nobody can make an informed decision on an issue simply by hearing one side of the story.



~SH~

You are joking, right?
 

don

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this is all just more evidence that usda, agcanada think they can 'manage' this issue and eventually it will go away. same mistake as how many other countries have made?
 

Econ101

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don said:
this is all just more evidence that usda, agcanada think they can 'manage' this issue and eventually it will go away. same mistake as how many other countries have made?

I agree with you don. Its de ja vu all over again. We have to stop the idiot disease in govt.
 
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Anonymous

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What needs to stop is the "BSE FEARMONGERING" and USDA blaming by those with hidden agendas. A consumer has a better chance of getting bit by a rattlesnake and struck by lighting at the same time than contracting BSE.


~SH~
 

Econ101

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~SH~ said:
What needs to stop is the "BSE FEARMONGERING" and USDA blaming by those with hidden agendas. A consumer has a better chance of getting bit by a rattlesnake and struck by lighting at the same time than contracting BSE.


~SH~

That is no reason to walk among rattlesnakes on the top of a hill during a thunderstorm.
 

bse-tester

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~SH~ wrote:
The politics is truly against you on this one bse-tester. If your test would do what you say it would, USDA should be jumping at it. Food safety is not taken lightly in this country.

I just think there is more to the story regarding your test than what you are telling us because consumer food safety is a very high priority item within our government.

Nobody can make an informed decision on an issue simply by hearing one side of the story.



~SH~

Go to the web site www.sebm.com and read the Paper that was published (May 2005 - Sensitive Detection of Prion Protein in Human Urine) in the Journal of Experimental Biology and Medicine. There you will see our test published and it will tell you exactly how it works. If the United States of America's National Prion Surveillance Center, located in Cleveland, Ohio, tested our test for two years, proved it works, used it on numerous CJD patients to diagnose their condition, put together a blind study in which it not only identified PrPsc in its scrapie isoform and also identified a patient with Alzheimer's Disease, I guess that must have some sort of credence to even one who thinks that walking barefoot in the desert, toe-to-toe with rattlesnakes while swinging a golf club high above his shoulders in a raging thunderstorm, is perfectly normal. But then, like I said earlier SH, you know it all so what the hell do I care?

It is ok for you to believe in the toothfairy, the USDA and the hobgoblins that live under your stairs, but when it comes to BSE and infectious prions, you have placed your trust with an agency that cares about as much about prion disease as I care about the sex life of a fruit fly! The only thing that that agency gives a hoot about is the manner in which they can control the market place that is linked to their own operating protocols which are inturn, driven by more than one Senator in Washington along with numerous lobby groups and special interst groups who represent who do you think???? The major packers who dictate to the government every day of the darn week, how many head of cattle they will slaughter and to whom they will be sold. And you trust those people, mister, you had best try to break out of that bubble you live in and get a look at what is really going on. One last comment for you SH. How many humans do you think that an infected animal can feed and how long will it take to see the first symptoms of vCJD in that human?

Let me tell you that some world famous prion researchers have come up with a formula that is based upon the average distribution of meat and meat by-products and have determined that a single animal infected with BSE has the potential to infect as many as 12,000 people. How is this possible you ask?? The meat is sent through the plant apparently healthy and with nothing to worry about since it displayed no symptoms and was not selected for random testing. The plant is then immediately contaminated and if it has processed say 4000 head that day, then the infection rate may be higher than the formula could ever predict. But if iwas say, one of the last of the animals processed, then perhaps only 50 or so animals might pick up contaminants. Do you see where we are going with this? The meat destined for hamburger is ground in a huge vat, along with tons of other meat. It is then packaged and shipped all over the USA. Do you see the potential for the spreading problem?? So please, do not make statements that are based strictly on your love affair with the USDA - look at the real picture, because SH, it is certainly a real picture!!! Do you think that the plant will sterilize the line after each animal goes through it - NO! Some plants only hose their equipment down with a water hose at the end of the day - how safe is that?? Think on it and remember SH, do not bring a knife to a gun fight!!
 
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Anonymous

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We should be so blessed to have you to save us from the government agency taxed with the responsibility of food safety. The latest report from FDA shows that food born pathogens have decreased but don't let that fool you. Those who have a vested interest in bse testing tell us that that bse is coming and hell's coming with it and the USDA has their heads so far up the politician and packers ass that they will never see it coming.

I'll consider myself warned.

Like I told you before, there is two sides to every story. I've heard your side and I question your motives. In contrast, USDA is held publicly accountable, you are not. USDA has to deal with critics every day, you don't. I'll place my bet with the folks at USDA over you until I have more than talk to change my mind.

Sorry I'm not a mindless blamer that just sinks my teeth into the talk of every bse prophet and USDA critic that walks into the room.



~SH~
 

Econ101

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~SH~ said:
We should be so blessed to have you to save us from the government agency taxed with the responsibility of food safety. The latest report from FDA shows that food born pathogens have decreased but don't let that fool you. Those who have a vested interest in bse testing tell us that that bse is coming and hell's coming with it and the USDA has their heads so far up the politician and packers ass that they will never see it coming.

I'll consider myself warned.

Like I told you before, there is two sides to every story. I've heard your side and I question your motives. In contrast, USDA is held publicly accountable, you are not. USDA has to deal with critics every day, you don't. I'll place my bet with the folks at USDA over you until I have more than talk to change my mind.

Sorry I'm not a mindless blamer that just sinks my teeth into the talk of every bse prophet and USDA critic that walks into the room.



~SH~

If the interview of the woman who worked at the USDA is any indication of the integrity behind the statistics on food safety, your arguement is invalid. You can not credibly keep quoting a USDA that has been shown to be flawed much larger than an occasional bureaucratic messup.

No one can change what you call a mind, SH. It doesn't exist.
 
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Anonymous

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Conman: "If the interview of the woman who worked at the USDA is any indication of the integrity behind the statistics on food safety, your arguement is invalid."

More cheap talk viewed as incriminating evidence by the liar who needs to blame.


~SH~
 

flounder

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SH WROTE;


In contrast, USDA is held publicly accountable, ............


:lol2: :help: :cowboy:


whatever your smoken there SH, send some this way, cause i know you are dazed and confused now :lol: :lol: :lol:


TSS
 

mrj

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reader (the Second) said:
Econ101 said:
~SH~ said:
The politics is truly against you on this one bse-tester. If your test would do what you say it would, USDA should be jumping at it. Food safety is not taken lightly in this country.

I just think there is more to the story regarding your test than what you are telling us because consumer food safety is a very high priority item within our government.

Nobody can make an informed decision on an issue simply by hearing one side of the story.



~SH~

You are joking, right?

I heard it STRAIGHT from the USDA's representative to the FDA TSE Advisory Committee -- the Harvard Risk Analysis was not designed for the purpose of food safety but rather to detect an emerging BSE epidemic. Go to the transcripts from February 12 (or 13) 2004 and look for the transcript from the USDA vet (Lisa Ferguson I believe is her name). She was very honest about it and said -- well maybe it should be for food safety but that was not the purpose...


Reader, are "the Harvard Risk Analysis was not designed for the purpose of food safety, but rather to detect and emerging BSE epidemic" the EXACT words of that USDA vet?

OR, could she have said more on the order of "the Harvard Risk Analysis .......but rather to detect THE LEVEL OF BSE in the US cattle herd?

The latter is the way I've heard that analysis described by various USDA speakers over the years.

Isn't it fact that BSE was and is NOT considered a food safety problem because of the the best science supports the conclusion that with removal of SRM's the meat (food) IS safe?

MRJ
 

bse-tester

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MRJ wrote:

Isn't it fact that BSE was and is NOT considered a food safety problem because of the the best science supports the conclusion that with removal of SRM's the meat (food) IS safe?

The removal of the so-called "SRM" material is basically a smoke and mirror job brought about at the height of the BSE Crisis to alleviate the concerns of a public at large and to provide a means of channeling the entire BSE problem to the back burner. Something was needed to show the folks in governments around the world, especially those governments that know little or nothing about BSE that it can be controlled by taking "certain" precautions!!!

Of course, something had to be invented to satisfy the need to get the market moving again and the bright spark who came up with the idea of taking out the spine, the eye-balls and various other parts of the animals known to be cluster points for PrPsc was brought into existence to show the unknowing public, government agencies that by doing so would virtually render the meats and meat by-products "free" of PrPsc. What a total and complete crock of BS that is. It is well known in the world of prion research that Prions accumulate throughout the body and will manifest themselves in certain areas orf the body more so than others, but that does not mean the animal is free or prions (PrPsc) and therefore safe. It was simply an effective ploy to generate market acceptance and hey, it worked!! But at what cost??? I guess we shall see in 20 or 30 years.
 

flounder

Well-known member
be sure you folks are reading the correct version :shock:


suppressed peer review of Harvard study October 31, 2002

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/oa/topics/BSE_Peer_Review.pdf



TSS
 

Econ101

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An accurate bse test will only identify bse. It does not cure it. It does not make the carcass safe. It only allows the govt. officials to not let it enter the food supply if it is found and they are intelligent enough to stop it from enterting the food supply. If they are not intelligent enough to do that, the bse test means nothing except that the govt. officials are incompetent.

SRM removal is a "feel good" remedy. If you believe SRM removal actually makes bse beef safe to eat, you might want to put your name in the hat for the next one that comes up.

MRJ, when you take the NCBA and some of the Canadian posters on this forum and SH's view that SRM removal makes a beef carcass safe for consumption, it shows your reasoning IQ that I have been objecting to on this forum. You seem to know a lot about NCBA and can get the party line any time you want to research it, but when it comes to your ability to critically think properly on your own, I have some serious reservations.

Bse testing will not make the cattle in the U.S. any safer unless we have the follow through noted above. Bse testing ALL cattle slaughtered at Creekstone headed for Japan with appropriate measures taken after slaughter (not allowing it to enter the food supply), WILL make the beef going to Japan safer. That is why the Japanese want it.

How someone as intelligent as yourself can not understand this concept is beyond me.

The feed loophole of feeding MBM to poultry will not be closed because it gives Tyson Foods a comparative advantage in cost that they do not want to give up regardless of how many people/cattle they infect with bse.

The fact that we have politicians that go along with this policy shows that we have a real problem in the U.S. with the people running our government. Stop sucking up to them. It is not working.
 

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