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Are McCain/Palin tearing the party more Apart?

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Anonymous

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I've said all along that Palin was just "fresh meat" that the McCain thought he could throw out there, appease part of the base, maybe some women- and if it didn't work- just throw her to the dogs as the scapegoat to go back to Alaska and never be heard of again...

Palin Whips the Base into a Frenzy

The decision to pick an unknown evangelical governor as John McCain's running mate has succeeded beyond Steve Schmidt's wildest dreams. Way beyond. Sarah Palin has perfect aim when throwing red meat to partisan crowds and whipping them into a frenzy to the point when people at rallies yell: "terrorist" and "kill him" about Obama. Then Palin can conveniently say she did not say that but the point is made anyway. Of course when this happens she could say: "Somebody grab that guy and drag him out of here. I don't want people like that at my rallies" but she never does. She winks and basks. The trouble for Palin and now McCain is that this frenzy has been widely reported and condemned and it is turning off crucial independent voters in droves. The featured commentary at intrade.com is about Palin, saying: "Rove's creation has turned into a mob baying for blood." Even leading conservative columnists don't like this. Kathleen Parker has called for her to drop off the ticket. The bettors agree that Rove III is not working. Ten shares of McCain stock cost $23 this morning. This means that if you are absolutely convinced McCain will win, you can invest, say, $23,000 now and collect $100,000 in 3 weeks if McCain wins.

The consequence of this whole campaign could be far reaching. If Obama wins and the exit polls show independents voted overwhelmingly for him, the pundits are going to lay the blame at Palin's high heels and advise the GOP to forget the evangelicals and run candidates with financial expertise (like Mitt Romney) in the future. Needless to say, the evangelicals, who finally got one of their own on the ticket, won't take this well and the ensuing battle will tear the Republican Party to bits.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
 

fff

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Palin is now dragging McCain down. Generally the VP pick doesn't make much difference with the voters. But this year seems to be different. I think he ruffled a lot of female feathers when he picked her to appeal to Hillary voters. :lol: Is he really so out of touch? Not that he didn't pick up a few, but polls are showing the more people know about her, the less they like her. Her approval/disapproval ratings are now about even.

Gov. Sarah Palin's favorable/unfavorable ratings have suffered a stunning 21 point collapse in just one week, according to Research 2000 polling. Last week, 52% approved and 35% disapproved of the GOP vice presidential nominee (+17 net). This week, 42% approved and 46% disapprove (-4 net).

Earlier this week, Newsweek also saw the drop in other polling. "Over the course of a single weekend... Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/09/19/palins_favorability_ratings_tumble.html
 

TexasBred

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Fact is, she's still drawing huge crowds everywhere she goes. And lots of them are admitted independents. Guess we'll find out election day. I'll support the winner. :)
 
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A recent study by the Barna Research Group concluded that most Americans under the age of 40 have a negative view of evangelical Christians as a result of the activities of the Christian Right.

When describing voting trends of twenty-somethings, neoconservative journalist David Frum commented on a divergence of viewpoint between the Christian right and younger generations and the inability of the current Christian right leadership to connect with the values and aspirations of the next generation:

The Republican Party has become increasingly identified with conservative Christianity. Younger Americans are becoming more secular and more permissive. In particular, young Americans have become increasingly tolerant of homosexuality and increasingly willing to have children outside marriage. While unmarried births have dropped among teenagers since the welfare reform of 1995, unmarried births have actually been rising among women in their 20s.

– David Frum, Why the GOP lost the youth vote, USAToday
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

The problem is the Christian right that Palin identifies with- and is bringing in to these rallys- are the same people that so many younger voters and Independents are scared to death of ...

Sarah Palin has perfect aim when throwing red meat to partisan crowds and whipping them into a frenzy to the point when people at rallies yell: "terrorist" and "kill him" about Obama.

And then when these same folks see these "Christians" acting "Frankie style" like this on all the nightly news stories she scares the crap out of them and turns them off to McCain/Palin...I know it does me (and I'm over 40)- because thats the last thing we need is a more divided country...Its already more deeply divided than I've seen ever in my lifetime - and McCain/Palin are trying to divide it more....

Many of the top Repubs- including Newt and the Repub Governors have asked McCain to drop this rhetoric, before he takes down more of the Repub candidates- and if he's going to lose, lose with dignity, arguing the issues not spouting hate - rather than going out like a cranky, spiteful old man...
 

RobertMac

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Oldtimer said:
A recent study by the Barna Research Group concluded that most Americans under the age of 40 have a negative view of evangelical Christians as a result of the activities of the Christian Right.

When describing voting trends of twenty-somethings, neoconservative journalist David Frum commented on a divergence of viewpoint between the Christian right and younger generations and the inability of the current Christian right leadership to connect with the values and aspirations of the next generation:

The Republican Party has become increasingly identified with conservative Christianity. Younger Americans are becoming more secular and more permissive. In particular, young Americans have become increasingly tolerant of homosexuality and increasingly willing to have children outside marriage. While unmarried births have dropped among teenagers since the welfare reform of 1995, unmarried births have actually been rising among women in their 20s.

– David Frum, Why the GOP lost the youth vote, USAToday
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

The problem is the Christian right that Palin identifies with- and is bringing in to these rallys- are the same people that so many younger voters and Independents are scared to death of ...

Sarah Palin has perfect aim when throwing red meat to partisan crowds and whipping them into a frenzy to the point when people at rallies yell: "terrorist" and "kill him" about Obama.

And then when these same folks see these "Christians" acting "Frankie style" like this on all the nightly news stories she scares the crap out of them and turns them off to McCain/Palin...I know it does me (and I'm over 40)- because thats the last thing we need is a more divided country...Its already more deeply divided than I've seen ever in my lifetime - and McCain/Palin are trying to divide it more....

Many of the top Repubs- including Newt and the Repub Governors have asked McCain to drop this rhetoric, before he takes down more of the Repub candidates- and if he's going to lose, lose with dignity, arguing the issues not spouting hate - rather than going out like a cranky, spiteful old man...
WARNING: Drive-by media manipulation!!!
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
A recent study by the Barna Research Group concluded that most Americans under the age of 40 have a negative view of evangelical Christians as a result of the activities of the Christian Right.

When describing voting trends of twenty-somethings, neoconservative journalist David Frum commented on a divergence of viewpoint between the Christian right and younger generations and the inability of the current Christian right leadership to connect with the values and aspirations of the next generation:

The Republican Party has become increasingly identified with conservative Christianity. Younger Americans are becoming more secular and more permissive. In particular, young Americans have become increasingly tolerant of homosexuality and increasingly willing to have children outside marriage. While unmarried births have dropped among teenagers since the welfare reform of 1995, unmarried births have actually been rising among women in their 20s.

– David Frum, Why the GOP lost the youth vote, USAToday
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

The problem is the Christian right that Palin identifies with- and is bringing in to these rallys- are the same people that so many younger voters and Independents are scared to death of ...

Sarah Palin has perfect aim when throwing red meat to partisan crowds and whipping them into a frenzy to the point when people at rallies yell: "terrorist" and "kill him" about Obama.

And then when these same folks see these "Christians" acting "Frankie style" like this on all the nightly news stories she scares the crap out of them and turns them off to McCain/Palin...I know it does me (and I'm over 40)- because thats the last thing we need is a more divided country...Its already more deeply divided than I've seen ever in my lifetime - and McCain/Palin are trying to divide it more....

Many of the top Repubs- including Newt and the Repub Governors have asked McCain to drop this rhetoric, before he takes down more of the Repub candidates- and if he's going to lose, lose with dignity, arguing the issues not spouting hate - rather than going out like a cranky, spiteful old man...

OT is is BAD when the country is divided between right and wrong? Is it bad to stand up for what you think is good and right?? Maybe some of you Old Timers should teach your kids right and wrong.

As for what the crowds are yelling.....Hillary planted people in Obama's crowds to do the same thing. Maybe those are his people who actually trying to stir up the pot. Ever thought about that????????? Naw...liberal dems would never do such a thing. It might divide someone.
 
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Karl Rove devisive smear and race baiting tactics don't work anymore...

CBS News/NY Times 10/10 - 10/13 LV 53 39 Obama +14

Gallup Tracking (Expanded)* 10/11 - 10/13 53 43 Obama +10

GW/Battleground Tracking 10/08 - 10/13 53 40 Obama +13

ABC News/Wash Post 10/08 - 10/11 7 53 43 Obama +10

Newsweek 10/08 - 10/09 52 41 Obama +11
 

RobertMac

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Oldtimer said:
Karl Rove devisive smear and race baiting tactics don't work anymore...

CBS News/NY Times 10/10 - 10/13 LV 53 39 Obama +14

Gallup Tracking (Expanded)* 10/11 - 10/13 53 43 Obama +10

GW/Battleground Tracking 10/08 - 10/13 53 40 Obama +13

ABC News/Wash Post 10/08 - 10/11 7 53 43 Obama +10

Newsweek 10/08 - 10/09 52 41 Obama +11
These same polls at the same points in the elections of 2000 and 2004 would have Algore and Kerry as President. :roll: :roll: Not looking good for Obama! :eek: :shock: 8)
 
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Anonymous

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RobertMac said:
Oldtimer said:
Karl Rove devisive smear and race baiting tactics don't work anymore...

CBS News/NY Times 10/10 - 10/13 LV 53 39 Obama +14

Gallup Tracking (Expanded)* 10/11 - 10/13 53 43 Obama +10

GW/Battleground Tracking 10/08 - 10/13 53 40 Obama +13

ABC News/Wash Post 10/08 - 10/11 7 53 43 Obama +10

Newsweek 10/08 - 10/09 52 41 Obama +11
These same polls at the same points in the elections of 2000 and 2004 would have Algore and Kerry as President. :roll: :roll: Not looking good for Obama! :eek: :shock: 8)


USA Today/Gallup 09/05 - 09/07 44 54 McCain +10

After losing 20+ points in a month.. :shock:
 

Yanuck

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Oldtimer said:
Karl Rove devisive smear and race baiting tactics don't work anymore...

CBS News/NY Times 10/10 - 10/13 LV 53 39 Obama +14

Gallup Tracking (Expanded)* 10/11 - 10/13 53 43 Obama +10

GW/Battleground Tracking 10/08 - 10/13 53 40 Obama +13

ABC News/Wash Post 10/08 - 10/11 7 53 43 Obama +10

Newsweek 10/08 - 10/09 52 41 Obama +11

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday once again shows Barack Obama attracting 50% of the vote while John McCain earns 45%.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election

Gallup Daily (Traditional) Obama 51 McCain 43
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111124/Gallup-Daily-Likely-Voters-Traditional.aspx

Strange how the MSM polls are so high for Obama.............. :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

RobertMac

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Yanuck said:
Oldtimer said:
Karl Rove devisive smear and race baiting tactics don't work anymore...

CBS News/NY Times 10/10 - 10/13 LV 53 39 Obama +14

Gallup Tracking (Expanded)* 10/11 - 10/13 53 43 Obama +10

GW/Battleground Tracking 10/08 - 10/13 53 40 Obama +13

ABC News/Wash Post 10/08 - 10/11 7 53 43 Obama +10

Newsweek 10/08 - 10/09 52 41 Obama +11

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday once again shows Barack Obama attracting 50% of the vote while John McCain earns 45%.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election

Gallup Daily (Traditional) Obama 51 McCain 43
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111124/Gallup-Daily-Likely-Voters-Traditional.aspx

Strange how the MSM polls are so high for Obama.............. :roll: :roll: :roll:
It's all in how they stack the deck...there is only one poll that counts and these mean nothing!
 
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Anonymous

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If you want them all - theres all of them:

LA Times/Bloomberg 10/10 - 10/13 1030 LV 50 41 Obama +9
CBS News/NY Times 10/10 - 10/13 699 LV 53 39 Obama +14
Rasmussen Tracking 10/11 - 10/13 3000 LV 50 45 Obama +5
Reuters/C-Span/Zogby Tracking 10/11 - 10/13 1208 LV 49 43 Obama +6
Hotline/FD Tracking 10/11 - 10/13 829 LV 48 42 Obama +6
Gallup Tracking (Traditional)* 10/11 - 10/13 2140 LV 51 45 Obama +6
Gallup Tracking (Expanded)* 10/11 - 10/13 2289 LV 53 43 Obama +10
GW/Battleground Tracking 10/08 - 10/13 800 LV 53 40 Obama +13
IBD/TIPP Tracking 10/06 - 10/12 825 LV 45 43 Obama +2
USA Today/Gallup (Traditional)* 10/10 - 10/12 761 LV 50 46 Obama +4
USA Today/Gallup (Expanded)* 10/10 - 10/12 1030 LV 52 45 Obama +7
ABC News/Wash Post 10/08 - 10/11 766 LV 53 43 Obama +10
FOX News 10/08 - 10/09 900 RV 46 39 Obama +7
Newsweek 10/08 - 10/09 1035 RV 52 41 Obama +11

Across the boards average:

RCP Average 10/06 - 10/13 -- 50.2 42.1 Obama +8.1
 

Yanuck

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Thanks OT, you could post that everyday, it gives a much clearer picture of just how unreliable those things really are
 

Yanuck

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Breaking down the new CBS/NYT numbers: Party ID is way off and skewed for Obama


This post is preemptive, and directly aimed at Eeyores.

Someone just emailed us this — it’s the new CBS/NYT poll and it has Obama up by 14. This, of course, sends Eeyores into pants-wetting panic, crying that the sky is falling. Because, that’s what Eeyores have done all year, so why would that be any different?

Once again, these people don’t sit down and look at the actual mechanics of the poll — they just flip out and run screaming into the woods.

It’s really funny this poll comes out so strongly for Obama in a week that’s been dominated by repeated findings of Obama/ACORN voter fraud left and right across multiple states. Very convenient that when Obama’s dirty dealings come to light, welcome good news magically appears at the hands of the New York Times.

Hidden at the very end of the polling data, past all the questions, is the statistical breakdown of the polling sample they used to construct this poll.

Remember what we have told you before, based on 20 years of polling: Democrats have never enjoyed more than a 4 point party ID advantage. In 2006, party breakdown was 37% Democrat, 34% Republican, and 26% Independent. In 2004, it was 37% Democrat, 37% Republican, and 26% Independent. We believe party ID this year will be 39% Democrat, 35% Republican, and 26% Independent — once more returning Democrats to a 4 point party ID advantage.

The CBS/NYT poll uses a party ID sample of: 37% Democrat, 29% Republican, and 33% Independent.

That means the CBS/NYT poll creates a party ID advantage for Democrats of 8% = doubles the party ID advantage Democrats have ever enjoyed historically.

There’s no valid explanation for giving the Democrats DOUBLE the party ID advantage they should have — unless you just want to skew the poll so you guarantee Obama is a big winner.

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/breaking-down-the-new-cbsnyt-numbers-party-id-is-way-off-and-skewed-for-obama/
 

backhoeboogie

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RobertMac said:
OT, were you posting these polls when McCain was ahead??????

That was a period of denial.

The whole U.S. is ripped apart. People are shooting people over bumper stickers. OT was talking about Palin and McCain tearing things apart and then this?
 

fff

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Here are some more polls:

Presidential:
10/15: Hotline/Diageo Pres-Tracker: Obama 49%, McCain 41%

10/15: Rasmussen Pres-Tracker: Obama 50%, McCain 45%

10/15: Res. 2000 Pres-Tracker: Obama 52%, McCain 41%

10/15: Zogby Pres-Tracker: Obama 48%, McCain 44%

10/14: Gallup Pres-Tracker: Obama 53%, McCain 43%

10/14: CBS/NYT Pres: Obama 53%, McCain 39%


And some battleground states:

10/14: PPP (D) MO: Obama 48%, McCain 46%

10/14: Suffolk CO: Obama 47%, McCain 43%

10/14: PPP (D) NC: Obama 49%, McCain 46%

10/14: SurveyUSA OH: Obama 50%, McCain 45%

10/14: SurveyUSA PA: Obama 55%, McCain 40%

Apparently the Republican Party believes the polls. Reports are they are borrowing $millions and will spend it to protect their top incumbents. They've all but written off McCain, the chance of taking any seats from Dems, picking up open seats, and are desperately trying to keep Dems from the 60-seat majority in the Senate.
 
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“Not been a good weekend for Governor Palin. In a 263-page report, Alaskan officials said she abused the powers of her office, and that was an ethics violation. Wow, she’s only been on the national scene a month, already has an ethics violation? Who said she’s not ready for Washington?” -Jay Leno

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