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Are we No longer a Christian Nation?

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Anonymous

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Gary Johnson (2012 Libertarian candidate for President) shared a link.

Regardless of the policy issues involved with the thousands of kids arriving at our southern border, is this the image of America that we want the world to see?


Tea Party Candidate, Protesters Besiege Bus Of YMCA Campers Mistaken For Migrant Kids

Published July 16, 2014/
Fox News Latino

They swore they thought that the campers were undocumented immigrants.

A group of Arizona protesters and a tea party congressional candidate opposed to the housing of Central American migrant children at a local academy surrounded a yellow school bus full of what they thought were the undocumented kids.

Turns out that the young children on the bus were not only American citizens, but they were from the local YMCA.

Following a warning from Pinal County Sheriff, Paul Babeu, that Sycamore Canyon Academy would be sheltering some unaccompanied minors who have crossed the Southwestern border illegally, demonstrators on both sides of the issue converged Tuesday on the school about 40 miles northeast of Tucson.

There they waited for the supposed busload of immigrant kids after being inspired by the July event in Murrieta, Calif., that forced three buses of immigrants to turn back.

"Bus coming in,” tweeted Adam Kwasman, a state representative and tea party member who is seeking the Republican nomination for Arizona's 1st Congressional District, according to The Los Angeles Times. This is not compassion. This is the abrogation of the rule of law."

When the bus pulled into the school, protesters, reporters and television crews descended upon it and, depending on who you asked, were either terrified or made the children laugh at the strange event unfolding outside the bus’s window.

"I was able to actually see some of the children on the buses, and the fear on their faces,” Kwasman told local media reporters. This is not compassion."

One reporter informed the state representative that the children were not migrants, but YMCA campers from the Marana Unified School District and that the kids on the bus were smiling and snapping photos on their phones.

Kwasman eventually backed off, apologizing for his remarks and removing his earlier tweets.

"Last tweet not the bus of illegal immigrant children. Thank God," he added. "I apologize for the confusion. That was my error.”

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2014/07/16/tea-party-candidate-protesters-besiege-bus-ymca-campers-mistaken-for-migrant/

I have to agree with Mr. Johnson- how do we ask all these other countries to take in and humanely treat refugees- especially refugee children coming out of all these war torn and strife/poverty areas- when our own supposedly good "Christian" folks in this country are fighting so hard to turn them away... :???:

Is this the Christian "compassion" image we/you want to portray to these/your children or the rest of the world... :???:

Is this the Christian beliefs you were taught to follow... :???: Or are we no longer a "real" Christian country and use the Christians beliefs only as an excuse when issues suit us... :???: :wink:
 

loomixguy

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I thought you defended the Constitution and the nation's laws for 137 years.

What part of ILLEGAL don't you understand? It is my understanding that harboring a person that you know is here illegally is also against the law. Are you now promoting anarchy?

Being a Christian and a good Samaritan and showing compassion and brotherly love is out the window when it concerns tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands or possibly mlions who broke the law when they entered the country. Treat them humanely and send them home humanely.

If you have a problem with obeying the law, you profess to be connected. Call one of them and volunteer your place as a center to house the illegals. You can pick up all their expenses while you're at it, too.

Have fun with that.
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
What has Christianity got to do with Mistaken Identity? :roll:

So now are you saying we are not a country that was built on Judeo-Christian beliefs ? And that when we extoll these beliefs of compassion to the world we are speaking with forked tongue :???: :???:

As Johnson said-- is this the image we want to portray to the world :???:

Under the law that Clinton signed in 2000 and GW added to and again signed in 2008-- we are by law required to give these unaccompanied kids from noncontiguous countries refuge and humane treatment until they can have their case come before an immigration judge... (And according to some of what I read on the Bush add-ons they must have legal representation too- which is what the ACLU is taking to court )....
 

iwannabeacowboy

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:roll:

You have to like 0T and the left. They can't have the 10 commandments on the courthouse lawn, but now they want to use Christianity as a reason to not enforce the border or laws?


Since it's all the same 0T, why dont we welcome them like Iran?


As loomix says, we should treat them humanely and expect them to follow the law.

And 0, we have done more humanitarian work than any country in history. This is not about humanitarian need but a lack of law and border enforcement. No matter how many times you tell the lie, it's still a lie.
 

hopalong

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Doesn't Obama have executive powers??? why has he not used it????? or does he just want to give oldtimer a BASH BUSH effort???
 
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Anonymous

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So now I gather that you'all believe that on this issue the President/Obama does have executive powers to wave/not enforce laws passed by Congress :???:

So why then is Boehner and the Republicans suing him :???: :shock: :wink:
 

Traveler

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Oldtimer said:
So now I gather that you'all believe that on this issue the President/Obama does have executive powers to wave/not enforce laws passed by Congress :???:

So why then is Boehner and the Republicans suing him :???: :shock: :wink:

:roll:
“On matters ranging from healthcare and energy to foreign policy and education, President Obama has repeatedly run an end-around” on the public and Congress, the speaker wrote. He accused him of “ignoring some statutes completely, selectively enforcing others and at times, creating laws of his own.”
 

Traveler

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Just ship 'em off to wherever the hell they're not wanted and give 'em EBT cards. Register them to vote at a later date, while decrying that voter ID requirements are racist.

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/07/16/video-obama-gives-ebt-cards-to-busloads-of-illegals-to-shop-at-walmart/
 

Traveler

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This liberal on C=Span explains why Obama needs to be sued.

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/07/16/chilling-video-famous-liberal-law-professor-warns-of-obama-dictatorship-urges-congress-to-act/

And if this law is being cited for the debacle on the border, maybe the intent of it needs to be reviewed, as it appears to have effectively removed any kind of filter.
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
So now I gather that you'all believe that on this issue the President/Obama does have executive powers to wave/not enforce laws passed by Congress :???:

So why then is Boehner and the Republicans suing him :???: :shock: :wink:

they should and will be treated humanly.. and they should and will get a fair hearing...

after all it is the law.. it is not the intent of the law.. just another unintended consequence of trying to do the right thing.. coupled with a perception that obama is allowing children and families to ignore all the other laws..

had obama followed the immigration laws instead of publicly ignoring them we wouldn't be debating a low intended on protecting children from traffickers..
 

kolanuraven

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True story: I was chatting on my FB page the other day and a long time, childhood friend was fussing about the kids coming into the country. Now, note that this man claims to be a BIG Christian, always quoting the Bible and such.

His solution for all the kids crossing the boder was to shoot them on sight. He quoted various Bible versus notations and referred to the Walls of Jericho. I dunno some sort of foolish rambling.


BUT, when I posted this link: http://www.religionnews.com/2014/07/11/commentary-christians-worship-child-fled-violence-home-country/


He suddenly went silent........hmmmmm....................
 

Larrry

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kolanuraven said:
True story: I was chatting on my FB page the other day and a long time, childhood friend was fussing about the kids coming into the country. Now, note that this man claims to be a BIG Christian, always quoting the Bible and such.

His solution for all the kids crossing the boder was to shoot them on sight. He quoted various Bible versus notations and referred to the Walls of Jericho. I dunno some sort of foolish rambling.


BUT, when I posted this link: http://www.religionnews.com/2014/07/11/commentary-christians-worship-child-fled-violence-home-country/


He suddenly went silent........hmmmmm....................

You must have take the class "ot posting 101"
And you made an assumption if someone who is a christian believes exactly like this guy. You passed ot's class with flying colors
 

Mike

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OT wrote:
Under the law that Clinton signed in 2000 and GW added to and again signed in 2008-- we are by law required to give these unaccompanied kids from noncontiguous countries refuge and humane treatment until they can have their case come before an immigration judge... (And according to some of what I read on the Bush add-ons they must have legal representation too- which is what the ACLU is taking to court )....

The Wilberforce Act defines the kids protected by it to be "Trafficked" Victims.

The overwhelming majority of the kids coming in now do not meet that definition. Not even close.
 

kolanuraven

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Mike said:
OT wrote:
Under the law that Clinton signed in 2000 and GW added to and again signed in 2008-- we are by law required to give these unaccompanied kids from noncontiguous countries refuge and humane treatment until they can have their case come before an immigration judge... (And according to some of what I read on the Bush add-ons they must have legal representation too- which is what the ACLU is taking to court )....

The Wilberforce Act defines the kids protected by it to be "Trafficked" Victims.

The overwhelming majority of the kids coming in now do not meet that definition. Not even close.


How do YOU know that?
 

iwannabeacowboy

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kolanuraven said:
True story: I was chatting on my FB page the other day and a long time, childhood friend was fussing about the kids coming into the country. Now, note that this man claims to be a BIG Christian, always quoting the Bible and such.

His solution for all the kids crossing the boder was to shoot them on sight. He quoted various Bible versus notations and referred to the Walls of Jericho. I dunno some sort of foolish rambling.


BUT, when I posted this link: http://www.religionnews.com/2014/07/11/commentary-christians-worship-child-fled-violence-home-country/


He suddenly went silent........hmmmmm....................


You hang out with some less than intelligent people. But I find it interesting that you are attempting to use a religion you loath in an far from authentic fashion to further your destructive path of the country.

Or are you Christian now? If not, then you obviously don't believe in what you're posting so why would you use it as an argument? :)

Humanitarian crisis have occurred throughout the world at various times, this is not one. And because it is not one. Congress has not acted to call it one.

If there is a Herrod in this story, it is Obama and the progressives who are attempting to kill the children of the United States future.

Herod was killing all male children 2 years and under, what central american country is doing this? Answer none.

The children are coming for gain, this is polar to your premises for law breaking. It is theft.

But back to crises, why is it only considered a crisis for children of south and central america? Why not adults?

That right there tells any discerning individual that this whole mess thing is a fallacy. No other crisis where crossing the border for safety, has it been a practice for children only. Cuba is not- and that is a true example of the United States upholding their values for humanity.
 

Steve

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kolanuraven said:
True story: I was chatting on my FB page the other day and a long time, childhood friend was fussing about the kids coming into the country. Now, note that this man claims to be a BIG Christian, always quoting the Bible and such.

His solution for all the kids crossing the border was to shoot them on sight. He quoted various Bible versus notations and referred to the Walls of Jericho. I dunno some sort of foolish rambling. .

hard to believe,.. but without the context.. was he asked to justify his or anothers' position?

As a Christian I can not see his point..

The biblical account describes the Israelites being led by Joshua and crossing the Jordan into Canaan where they laid siege to the city of Jericho

Joshua ordered the people to shout. The walls of the city collapsed, and the Israelites were able to charge straight into the city. The city was completely destroyed.

to make a long story short.. if this was applied to todays' issue.. we would be on the wrong side of the fence..

Until GOD speaks to me directly.. I will just follow the laws.. and push for more judges to deal with them as the come in so we don't have to chase them down later..
 

Traveler

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So where does this whole escalation end? Hundreds of thousands? Millions? Infinity? What's a good Christian number? :roll: When the already established welfare queens start fighting for what's rightfully theirs? :lol:
 
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