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fff

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Q: Are you offended by the phrase "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

PALIN: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance
 

jodywy

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fff said:
jodywy said:
not offended ... Feel she is right...

Gently now: You DO know that the founding fathers didn't write the Pledge of Allegiance?
yes , a pledge to the flag was wrote September 8, 1892.
but atleast she nows there is only 50 States not 57....
 

Larrry

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So let's get this right, you are more worried about when the Under God was included over the likes of AYERS and Rezko, etc. Get your priorities straight.

So you like terrorists do ya?
 

jodywy

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I pledge allegiance to my Flag,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

October 11, 1892

I pledge allegiance to my the
Flag of the United States,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

June 14, 1923

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

June 14, 1924

The last change in the Pledge of Allegiance occurred on June 14 (Flag Day), 1954 when President Dwight D. Eisenhower approved adding the words "under God". As he authorized this change he said:

"In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war."


This was the last change made to the Pledge of Allegiance. The 23 words what had been initially penned for a Columbus Day celebration now comprised a Thirty-one profession of loyalty and devotion to not only a flag, but to a way of life....the American ideal. Those words now read:

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation under God, indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.
June 14, 1954


50 or 57????
 

VanC

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fff said:
Q: Are you offended by the phrase "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

PALIN: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance

Wow, we're really grasping at straws now, aren't we? Do you realize how pathetic a post like this looks to most of the people who read it? Are you really THAT afraid of Gov. Palin that you have to resort to this? Do you really think that such a thing would sway the average person, or is it that you're so easily swayed by such trite nonsense that you think everybody else must be?

On another thread I asked if, in your hours upon hours of research on Palin, you had come across ANYTHING positive about her. I have, and I can assure you I've spent far less time on the subject than you have. Does she intimidate you? Are you jealous?

Did you read the article I posted in response to your Gustav thread? I seem to remember it containing the words "unhinged" and "sad". I'm sorry, but I think they fit here. :cry:
 

fff

Well-known member
jodywy said:
fff said:
jodywy said:
not offended ... Feel she is right...

Gently now: You DO know that the founding fathers didn't write the Pledge of Allegiance?
yes , a pledge to the flag was wrote September 8, 1892.
but atleast she nows there is only 50 States not 57....

:D :D Blub, blub, going down, down. Founding Fathers...1892?

and

How do you know that "she NOWS THERE IS only 50 states not 57"?

I wouldn't bet MY money that she knows that.
 

fff

Well-known member
Larrry said:
So let's get this right, you are more worried about when the Under God was included over the likes of AYERS and Rezko, etc. Get your priorities straight.

So you like terrorists do ya?

No, I'm worried that the future Vice President of the United States seems to think the Founding Fathers wrote the Pledge of Allegiance. But apparently she's not the only one who doesn't have a good grasp of it's history. Perhaps Wikipedia can help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
 

Larrry

Well-known member
fff how convenient that you forgot to mention your terrorists in waiting.

Tell us about Ayers and his connections to Hussein Obama
 

Steve

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But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Just to help you along a bit.. the notion that this nation was "under GOD," predates the pledge..
 

Steve

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America was founded on Christian principles, and our system of government is based upon the belief that we are a nation “under God.” Our rights come from God, not from government.

How did America become One Nation Under God?

A brief study of the founders own writings prove beyond any reasonable doubt,.

Thomas Paine talked about "the error of schools" to teach sciences without "reference to the Being who is author of them: for all the principles of science are of Divine origin." He stated that "the evil that has resulted from the error of the schools in teaching [science without God] has been that of generating in the pupils a species of atheism."

Benjamin Franklin's 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania insisted that schools teach "the necessity of a public religion . . . and the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern." Franklin proposed a Biblical inscription for the Seal of the United States; he chose a New Testament verse for the motto of the Philadelphia Hospital; he was one of the chief proponents of a paid chaplain in Congress; and when Franklin helped found the college which bore his name in 1787, it was dedicated as "a nursery of religion and learning" built "on Christ, the Corner-Stone."

On May 2, 1778, George Washington charged his soldiers at Valley Forge that "To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian." In a speech on May 12, 1779, he claimed that what children needed to learn "above all" was the "religion of Jesus Christ," and that to learn this would make them "greater and happier than they already are." On June 8, 1783, he reminded the nation that "without a humble imitation" of "the Divine Author of our blessed religion" we "can never hope to be a happy nation", as he resigned his post as Commander-in-Chief. Washington's own adopted daughter declared of Washington that you might as well question his patriotism as to question his Christianity.

Hamilton began work with the Rev. James Bayard to form the Christian Constitutional Society to help spread over the world the two things which Hamilton said made America great: (1) Christianity and (2) a Constitution formed under Christianity. Only Hamilton's death two months later thwarted his plan of starting a missionary society to promote Christian government.

Thomas Jefferson himself declared, "I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus." As President of the United States, Jefferson signed a treaty with the Kaskaskia tribe wherein he provided—at the government's expense—Christian missionaries.

James Madison trained for ministry with the Rev. Dr. John Witherspoon, and Madison's writings are replete with declarations of his faith in God and in Christ. In his letter to Attorney General Bradford, Madison laments that public officials are not bold enough about their Christian faith in public and that public officials should be "fervent advocates in the cause of Christ." Madison did allude to a "wall of separation," but contemporary writers frequently omit Madison’s own definition of that "wall", which according to Madison, was only to prevent Congress from passing a national law to establish a national religion.

There you have it… It is not hard to demonstrate that America was indeed born One Nation under God or that the God or Creator they were referring to was in fact, Jesus Christ. This alone should lay to rest any honest debate over how America became a nation built upon Judeo-Christian principles and values. We can go on and on, founder after founder if you want, but these are the men named by most who argue about the founders.

Why was America formed as One Nation Under God? The answer is simple, yet of vital importance to every American, regardless of their religious beliefs. The answer begins with these two words, “self-governance”.

Patrick Henry put it this way, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".

John Adams said it this way, “We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775] and he later explained, "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798

The point is this - it is historically indisputable that America was born One Nation under God.

But there is no question what America was, is, should be or must be in order to retain its position of strength as the freest nation of self-governed individuals on earth. We will either be free as One Nation under God, or we will be a nation unaware of our common heritage and on the road to ruin under men in search of power. One does not have to be a Christian to understand this. One must only understand man and his insatiable hunger for power.

Those in search of that power must remove God from society in order to gain access to that power. Those who allow them, do so at their own peril. You are of course free to not like this simple truth. But this truth will never change. It is as it has always been…and shall always be.

hope that clears it up for you FFF,..

it is not about forcing a new found faith on others,.. it is about realizing the hope of our founders..
 

Mahoney-Pursley Ranch

Well-known member
.Frankie said:
fff said:
jodywy said:
yes , a pledge to the flag was wrote September 8, 1892.
but atleast she nows there is only 50 States not 57....

:D :D Blub, blub, going down, down. Founding Fathers...1892?

and

How do you know that "she NOWS THERE IS only 50 states not 57"?

I wouldn't bet MY money that she knows that.

You can bet on this she knows the differnce between a flag and a fag. YOU FLY THE FLAG AND PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO IT. While everyone knows that a liberals true allegiance is to fags.

Someone asked on another post why fff was so against the republicans. Thats quite simple they believe in creation she believes in evolution. They stand for something she stands for nothing except color. Republicans believe in teaching a man how to fish. she believes in taking the fish from the man in the name of change. Republicans believe in GOD she believes as rev wright --- dam america. Read her posts here and every where else she never mentions GOD. Here is a challange for one and all. FIND A POST ANYWHERE fff EVER COMMENTS WHEN SOMEONE IS DOWN AND OUT I WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU OR YOU ARE IN MY PRAYERS. her family draws goverment benifits from the army so she supports dependency on goverment. she supports taking your money and letting the goverment use 58 percent of it just to support handing it back to the dependants of the goverment like her.



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VanC

Well-known member
.Frankie said:
You can bet on this she knows the differnce between a flag and a fag. YOU FLY THE FLAG AND PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO IT. While everyone knows that a liberals true allegiance is to fags.

Someone asked on another post why fff was so against the republicans. Thats quite simple they believe in creation she believes in evolution. They stand for something she stands for nothing except color. Republicans believe in teaching a man how to fish. she believes in taking the fish from the man in the name of change. Republicans believe in GOD she believes as rev wright --- dam america. Read her posts here and every where else she never mentions GOD. Here is a challange for one and all. FIND A POST ANYWHERE fff EVER COMMENTS WHEN SOMEONE IS DOWN AND OUT I WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU OR YOU ARE IN MY PRAYERS. her family draws goverment benifits from the army so she supports dependency on goverment. she supports taking your money and letting the goverment use 58 percent of it just to support handing it back to the dependants of the goverment like her.

Man, you're like a freaking recurring nightmare, aren't you? What's the matter, getting you're sorry butt kicked off CT seven freaking times wasn't enough? You gotta come over here and stalk Frankie here, too? Leave her the hell alone!! And take your hypocritical, revolting, bible-thumping blather to some skinhead website where it belongs. You give real Christians, and real conservatives, a bad name. Stay off our side!! GO AWAY!!
 

Mahoney-Pursley Ranch

Well-known member
VanC said:
.Frankie said:
You can bet on this she knows the differnce between a flag and a fag. YOU FLY THE FLAG AND PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO IT. While everyone knows that a liberals true allegiance is to fags.

Someone asked on another post why fff was so against the republicans. Thats quite simple they believe in creation she believes in evolution. They stand for something she stands for nothing except color. Republicans believe in teaching a man how to fish. she believes in taking the fish from the man in the name of change. Republicans believe in GOD she believes as rev wright --- dam america. Read her posts here and every where else she never mentions GOD. Here is a challange for one and all. FIND A POST ANYWHERE fff EVER COMMENTS WHEN SOMEONE IS DOWN AND OUT I WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU OR YOU ARE IN MY PRAYERS. her family draws goverment benifits from the army so she supports dependency on goverment. she supports taking your money and letting the goverment use 58 percent of it just to support handing it back to the dependants of the goverment like her.

Man, you're like a freaking recurring nightmare, aren't you? What's the matter, getting you're sorry butt kicked off CT seven freaking times wasn't enough? You gotta come over here and stalk Frankie here, too? Leave her the hell alone!! And take your hypocritical, revolting, bible-thumping blather to some skinhead website where it belongs. You give real Christians, and real conservatives, a bad name. Stay off our side!! GO AWAY!!

You talkin to me ?
 

VanC

Well-known member
Mahoney-Pursley Ranch said:
VanC said:
.Frankie said:
You can bet on this she knows the differnce between a flag and a fag. YOU FLY THE FLAG AND PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO IT. While everyone knows that a liberals true allegiance is to fags.

Someone asked on another post why fff was so against the republicans. Thats quite simple they believe in creation she believes in evolution. They stand for something she stands for nothing except color. Republicans believe in teaching a man how to fish. she believes in taking the fish from the man in the name of change. Republicans believe in GOD she believes as rev wright --- dam america. Read her posts here and every where else she never mentions GOD. Here is a challange for one and all. FIND A POST ANYWHERE fff EVER COMMENTS WHEN SOMEONE IS DOWN AND OUT I WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU OR YOU ARE IN MY PRAYERS. her family draws goverment benifits from the army so she supports dependency on goverment. she supports taking your money and letting the goverment use 58 percent of it just to support handing it back to the dependants of the goverment like her.

Man, you're like a freaking recurring nightmare, aren't you? What's the matter, getting you're sorry butt kicked off CT seven freaking times wasn't enough? You gotta come over here and stalk Frankie here, too? Leave her the hell alone!! And take your hypocritical, revolting, bible-thumping blather to some skinhead website where it belongs. You give real Christians, and real conservatives, a bad name. Stay off our side!! GO AWAY!!



You talkin to me ?

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