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Articulate Op-Ed Piece Explains Why Negativity Toxic

aplusmnt

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hurleyjd said:
aplusmnt said:
hurleyjd said:
I was very suprised this weekend. The Grandson that served 18 months in Iraq and is now in Afiganistan really likes President Obama. His quote "Since he was elected we are getting what we need to fight. Also he gave us a raise." This really suprised me as this one was a gung ho Republican. Also the other Grandson that is in Iraq told me when he was home on R & R. He said " I wish they would get off of President Obama's case, he looks to me as if he is only doing what needs to be done. Any way us fighting boys in the trenchs like him." This one voted for the first time in his life in the last election he had just turned 19 and voted for McCain.

Can someone confirm this? Did Obama do something I missed did he sign some bill or something that gave the troops a raise. Did he do something in a few short months that sent them more weapons to fight with?

The way Washington works I would think he could not move so quickly to get the troops more weapons in their hands.

Just does not add up? But I may be wrong, surely there is a paper trail to show what Obama did to back up the grandsons claims? Anyone know what it was?

Gates who is the Secretary of Defense took away some of the predators from the Air Force that they were training with and got them to the Army, Also the better body armor has showed up for the troops. Also the MRAPS are showing up in quantities that are needed. Now I guess Obama had nothing to do with this but Gates has his support and according to the grandsons there is a whole different outlook with Gates. The soldiers get what they need to fight because Gates listens to the Generals and tries to get what they need.

Thought maybe some of that was due to less troops now so more things to go around. But I am no expert just red flags show up when someone is in office for three months or so and things are suppose to be so much better in a place it takes months sometimes to move equipment around.

So not sure if Obama should get much credit good or bad as far as things like this just yet. Like the pay raise that someone posted that Obama approved did not go into affect until 2010 so any raise your grandson got must have been approved by Bush.

Like I have said before, Presidents generally get credit good or bad for lots of things that they really did not have control over. Congress as a whole has lots more power over these details than the President does.
 

aplusmnt

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reader (the Second) said:
It was a disgrace that under Rumsfeld the military did not have what they needed. My friends bought their sons body armor themselves.

See what happens when you have someone like Clinton cutting spending, then when a war breaks out the new President has to work with what was left him.

Same thing now, when Obama starts cutting military contracts and cuts military spending. The next President will have to pay for it.


Ps. You sure have a lot of friends to fit every discussion! :lol:
 

aplusmnt

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reader (the Second) said:
aplusmnt said:
reader (the Second) said:
It was a disgrace that under Rumsfeld the military did not have what they needed. My friends bought their sons body armor themselves.

See what happens when you have someone like Clinton cutting spending, then when a war breaks out the new President has to work with what was left him.

Same thing now, when Obama starts cutting military contracts and cuts military spending. The next President will have to pay for it.


Ps. You sure have a lot of friends to fit every discussion! :lol:

Yes, I do have a lot of friends :) This friend's son was in the National Guard and served in Iraq for a year I believe. I have dinner with his father who works with me quite often. There are thousands of people in my company and everyday in my work I deal with other companies and customers, so yes, I know a lot of people and I'm friendly.

You must have some friends too, I presume?

Nope, just you and Mrs.Greg.

Wish to comment on Clinton cutting spending leaving Bush with not enough equipment to protect our soldiers?

If you believe Obama inherieted a mess, surely you can reason that Bush may have also?
 

Sandhusker

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OT, "I'll give you mine- he is probably the most intelligent- most educated- most knowledgeable on the law- most able to work with people of the world President we've ever had in my lifetime- bar none...I like the family values message he continually is expressing- especially to the black and minority communities...."

If he is the most knowledgeable on the law, why is he always breaking it? I reference his ignoring creditor law with GM, ignoring contractual law with the banks, his handling of the black panters case, and today, this latest firing of an IG where he didn't follow a law he wrote himself!

And hey, when did funding global abortions and infanticide fit into family values?

Need we get into a discussion on how he has been accepted with world leaders? :roll:

Do you drink anything with that Obama-aide?
 

Steve

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reader (the Second) said:
hopalong said:
Lots of people bought body armor themselves dating back to the NAM war!!!

We all did it including ww1 ww2 Korea Nam, there is lots of cases where people bought their own weapons, ammo etc etc!!!, juast be cause we felt more comfortable doing so!!

Ask oldtimer did he carry the weapon the county issued or did he prefer to carry his own choice of weapon???

Well forgive me for using him as an example the did not allow him to carry a real weapon! :roll: :roll:

You realize of course that regular soldiers had body armor but National Guard who were called up for long periods and equally in harm's way did not?

yes it was disgraceful.. Clinton downsized the military and shifted much of the missions to the guard, but neither him nor congress funded outfitting the guard.. Clinton called short changing the military the "peace dividend"

but that doesn't excuse Rumsfield for fielding them with out the needed equipment.. we are the worlds most powerful military we could fight on our time line.. so we had plenty of time to get the right gear had we not "rushed to war"

when the president rushes policy... it would always be better to stop the policy then to live with flawed bills, spending and wars...
 

Steve

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reader (the Second) said:
Steve said:
R2
with no enemy we don't have to spend so much on national security...

what brain dead hole in sand person said we have "no enemy"?

and should not spend on national security.. ???

I repeating what was said back in the 1990s after the fall of the USSR.

Lets look at your quote again..


It was very similar to some of the things I am reading in PB nowadays -- big Government is bad and with no enemy we don't have to spend so much on national security...

yep... lost credibility is hard to regain..
 

aplusmnt

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reader (the Second) said:
Steve said:
R2
with no enemy we don't have to spend so much on national security...

what brain dead hole in sand person said we have "no enemy"?

and should not spend on national security.. ???

I repeating what was said back in the 1990s after the fall of the USSR.

My fear is that the current the-sky-is-falling attitude will include cutting off our nose to spite our face in all areas --

** healthcare (left for too long)
** national security which includes defense, diplomacy and development
** energy and transportation
** education
** science and technology

We've been avoiding infrastructure, energy, healthcare, worsening performance by our students for several decades.

Big difference in cutting spending some on Nukes and High tech equipment or spying on the Russians than cutting it to were the average soldier does not have armour gear.

And enough has been spent on them other areas you mention, Liberals always believe more spending will solve the problems and it has rarely ever did so. We continue to spend more and more on schools and they continue to get worse and worse.
 

hypocritexposer

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My fear is that the current the-sky-is-falling attitude will include cutting off our nose to spite our face in all areas

I think you are seeing more "the sky is falling" attitudes, due to the fact that federal governments are reaching.

Some of these issues you should only be hearing about locally on the State/Provincial level.

If you are prepared to give control over certain issues to the federal government, then also be prepared to engage in additional dialogue on those issues. (positive or negative to your position)
 

MsSage

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backhoeboogie said:
reader (the Second) said:
I find it telling and sad that some of you respond by ignoring the hate crimes and incitement of hate and worse discussed in the article.

It is not as bad as the L.A. rioting yet.
Reader,
I have been saying for a couple months how divided this country has been getting and how I am scared it will not be able to get back together without a major issue. I have been calling those on here who attack others in personal attacks. I have said I dont have the time to read all the posts buit the ones I do see I say something.
I dont care what has started to open your eyes to this BUT you need to look in the mirror and see what you and others who believe the same are doing to add to this problem.
Please show me where some on here are ignoring the hate crimes? Yes I will say BHB comparing this to the LA Riots can be construded as condoningit, but look how issues and things that are happening are falling on deaf ears here? Do you need shock value and big shows to put your brain into gear?
You say you have alot of freinds all over the world ask them and really listen then sit down and search your heart for the truth. I know you are intelligent enough to weigh the facts.

I will keep on saying what I fear and bring things to your attention. I dont mind being called a drama queen, if you feel you need to dismiss me that way. I also know that I am a seed planter :wink:
Now as for calling me Glenn Beck I only have one issue...I really dont have a way to listen to him so I dont know what he stands for so is that a complement or another personal attack?
 

TSR

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aplusmnt said:
reader (the Second) said:
It was a disgrace that under Rumsfeld the military did not have what they needed. My friends bought their sons body armor themselves.

See what happens when you have someone like Clinton cutting spending, then when a war breaks out the new President has to work with what was left him.

Same thing now, when Obama starts cutting military contracts and cuts military spending. The next President will have to pay for it.


Ps. You sure have a lot of friends to fit every discussion! :lol:


Aplus, This war just didn't "break out" it was planned, maybe not very well, but planned. And it was a disgrace for Rumsfield to send our troops into battle w/out the armor or anything else they might have needed.
 

backhoeboogie

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MsSage said:
backhoeboogie said:
reader (the Second) said:
I find it telling and sad that some of you respond by ignoring the hate crimes and incitement of hate and worse discussed in the article.

It is not as bad as the L.A. rioting yet.
I have been saying for a couple months how divided this country has been getting and how I am scared it will not be able to get back together without a major issue. I have been calling those on here who attack others in personal attacks. I have said I dont have the time to read all the posts buit the ones I do see I say something.
I dont care what has started to open your eyes to this BUT you need to look in the mirror and see what you and others who believe the same are doing to add to this problem.
Please show me where some on here are ignoring the hate crimes? Yes I will say BHB comparing this to the LA Riots can be construded as condoningit, but look how issues and things that are happening are falling on deaf ears here? Do you need shock value and big shows to put your brain into gear?
You say you have alot of freinds all over the world ask them and really listen then sit down and search your heart for the truth. I know you are intelligent enough to weigh the facts.

I will keep on saying what I fear and bring things to your attention. I dont mind being called a drama queen, if you feel you need to dismiss me that way. I also know that I am a seed planter :wink:
Now as for calling me Glenn Beck I only have one issue...I really dont have a way to listen to him so I dont know what he stands for so is that a complement or another personal attack?

Ms Sage I have never had any issues with you and you have to right to feel and say anything you'd like. I can't say as I remember you ever engaging in any personal attacks nor do I see you crawfish out of one statement into the next. It is probably easier to just say I enjoy reading your words even if I disagree with some of it. You don't seem one bit wishy washy and you seem to say what you mean.

The whole LA riot thing over the Lakers winning/losing or the Rodney King thing has never set well with me. Writing "BOB" on a business (Black Owned Business) to preclude vandalism is about as racist as it gets but not one black has ever owned up to that fact. Nor have they owned up to the racism of jerking people out of cars and beating them nearly to death because of the color of their skin. Those who know and recognize the individuals on tape who did these crimes never came forward to attempt to right any wrongs either.

I don't think America is to that point of hatred - yet. But a storm is brewing. Since you live in Texas you are likely hearing the same stories I am about the desire to leave the U.S. at coffee shops and other local establishments.

Most of us don't care to pay for 7 homes in the San Francisco area that someone defaulted on out of convenience, as we have seen on television. Those houses were not worth 1/8th of the sale price to begin with. Now we are saddling future generations with paying these debts and I want no part of it. If you are going to force me to pay for all of these California real estate fiascos, atleast put someone in jail. These folks are still at it and have no remorse whatsoever.

Yes we are very divided. Just read this forum. There are a lot of liberals here I do not agree with, but they stand their ground. There are others who run on pure emotion and when you call them on their words they crawfish and say what they said is not what they meant. They have no credibility and want to dish it out but refuse to take it.

If I said anything that was offensive to you personally, I apologize. It was never my intent.
 

RobertMac

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MsSage said:
Now as for calling me Glenn Beck I only have one issue...I really dont have a way to listen to him so I dont know what he stands for so is that a complement or another personal attack?
It's a compliment! :D :wink:
The left wants to discredit and/or silence people like Beck and all of Fox News because they are critical of Obama and they are afraid there may be truth in what Beck has to say!!!! :eek: :shock: Only a few short years ago, Hillary said it was patriotic to criticize "the administration"...now with Obama's administration, you're a rightwingnut extremist to offer any criticism!
 

MsSage

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BHB sorry I edited my post. I was talking to reader NOT you.
I agree what happened in LA was unreal. At that time my grandmother was living there and told some of the things that happened there, alot which was never reported. Very scary. BOB was used she saw it
What I was saying about your post was it could be construed as saying untill the death toll gets that high it is excussable. I am not saying thats what you were saying since I am sure you were not. You have as well as others have been telling those here what is going on and they are falling on deaf ears.
It seems the libs need shock and awe in order to get their brain working.
So reader is that true do yall need shock and awe to wake up? Are you willing to live with the consequences of your blind faith? Are you going to help with the solution and try and bridge the widening gap between the American people or are you going to add to the hate?
Is more government what you really want?
A problem stated is half solved.
 

aplusmnt

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TSR said:
aplusmnt said:
reader (the Second) said:
It was a disgrace that under Rumsfeld the military did not have what they needed. My friends bought their sons body armor themselves.

See what happens when you have someone like Clinton cutting spending, then when a war breaks out the new President has to work with what was left him.

Same thing now, when Obama starts cutting military contracts and cuts military spending. The next President will have to pay for it.


Ps. You sure have a lot of friends to fit every discussion! :lol:


Aplus, This war just didn't "break out" it was planned, maybe not very well, but planned. And it was a disgrace for Rumsfield to send our troops into battle w/out the armor or anything else they might have needed.

Sure it was planned, but if we waited until every aspect was perfect then it would never happen. Not to mention War has surprises and things that you learn as you go. You can never be prepared for everything.

Should we put off all wars until the newest fighter jet or newest rocket or newest bomber is finished because it will save lives.

A quick and strong action needed to be taken and we had to do that with what Clinton left Bush!

You go to Congress and say here is the deal, I need 300 billion dollars for this and this so I can go to war. You tell me how many Democrats will approve that? They will filibuster until they can not filibuster any more.
 

Sandhusker

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Sounds to me that you just don't want negetive things about your leader brought up. Seems to me that you would rather put your head in the sand and pretend that they don't exist. That will get is nothing but trouble.
 

alice

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reader (the Second) said:
Sandhusker said:
Sounds to me that you just don't want negetive things about your leader brought up. Seems to me that you would rather put your head in the sand and pretend that they don't exist. That will get is nothing but trouble.

Sounds like you did not read what I wrote because I said something very different than that.

Of course you did, and I responded and then chickened out because I didn't want to be called a cheerleader...which is absolute bull shi*.

Sandhusker read your name, then barely scanned your post, then decided he would turn it to what he believed would be his benefit. Might work with the other 2 or 3 bully boys, but that's all.

Alice
 

aplusmnt

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alice said:
reader (the Second) said:
Sandhusker said:
Sounds to me that you just don't want negetive things about your leader brought up. Seems to me that you would rather put your head in the sand and pretend that they don't exist. That will get is nothing but trouble.

Sounds like you did not read what I wrote because I said something very different than that.

Of course you did, and I responded and then chickened out because I didn't want to be called a cheerleader...which is absolute bull shi*.

Alice

Did not realize you were so weak as to chicken out on posting on a message board. :shock:
 

alice

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aplusmnt said:
alice said:
reader (the Second) said:
Sounds like you did not read what I wrote because I said something very different than that.

Of course you did, and I responded and then chickened out because I didn't want to be called a cheerleader...which is absolute bull shi*.

Alice

Did not realize you were so weak as to chicken out on posting on a message board. :shock:

Pure fluff...

Alice
 

Richard Doolittle

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hurleyjd said:
I was very suprised this weekend. The Grandson that served 18 months in Iraq and is now in Afiganistan really likes President Obama. His quote "Since he was elected we are getting what we need to fight. Also he gave us a raise." This really suprised me as this one was a gung ho Republican. Also the other Grandson that is in Iraq told me when he was home on R & R. He said " I wish they would get off of President Obama's case, he looks to me as if he is only doing what needs to be done. Any way us fighting boys in the trenchs like him." This one voted for the first time in his life in the last election he had just turned 19 and voted for McCain.

I won't discredit anyone who is serving in uniform, that that is NOT a true reflection of the troops feelings. The attitude has shifted in Iraq alright. It's now one where they have lost pride in their work because resources have already started drying up and they know they are going to be prematurely pulled out.
 

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