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Yanuck

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and not yet registered with either party, can anyone, without discussing/bashing the opposing party, or members of anyone's family, sell me on why I should vote for Obama/Biden, or McCain/Palin? I'm curious to see if anyone will answer, and if the mud slinging/name calling can be kept out of an election or at least out of this topic??!!
 

Yanuck

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Okay let me rephrase that,can any Americans tell me why their candidate is the one to vote for, I've read and listened not to worry, I want to know if it can be done without the bashing/name calling
 
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Anonymous

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You forgot the parties that many are turning to this year as the alternative....

Bob Barr Libertarian candidate
Be aggressive in securing our borders. (Apr 2008)
Voted NO on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
Sponsored bill declaring English the US' official language
. (Jan 1999)


Neocon aggression opens can of worms: others will do same. (Dec 2003)
Voted NO on keeping Cuba travel ban until political prisoners released. (Jul 2001)
Voted YES on withholding $244M in UN Back Payments until US seat restored. (May 2001)
Voted NO on $156M to IMF for 3rd-world debt reduction. (Jul 2000)
Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000)
Voted NO on $15.2 billion for foreign operations. (Nov 1999)

Earmarks are an outrageous abuse by Congressmen to buy votes. (Apr 2008)
Remove both earmarks and cut the underlying spending. (Apr 2008)
Allow $3 on 1040 form to pay off National Debt. (Sep 2000)
Supports balanced budget amendment & line item veto. (Sep 1994)

America is not an occupying power. (Jun 2008)
Don’t rush to make new anti-terrorism laws. (Nov 2001)
Voted YES on disallowing the invasion of Kosovo. (May 1999)
Move the US Embassy to Jerusalem. (Nov 1995)

Restore habeas corpus and protect citizens from government. (Apr 2008)
Restore military to defense; commit to non-intervention. (Apr 2008)
Real ID Act is Big Government at its worst. (Jan 2008)
Should have impeached Clinton for national security failings. (Jul 2004)
Loud Congressional critic of government's abuses of power. (Dec 2003)
Regrets voting for the USA PATRIOT Act. (Dec 2003)
Matrix system and TIA are privacy-invasive programs. (Dec 2003)
Military tribunals ok, if monitored & defined. (Dec 2003)
Voted YES on $266 billion Defense Appropriations bill. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on deploying SDI. (Mar 1999)
Sponsored bill allowing assassination of terrorist leaders. (Jan 2001)
No US troops under UN command; more defense spending. (Sep 1994)

Clinton & Reno covered up 1996 illegal campaign finance. (Jul 2004)
Voted YES on banning soft money donations to national political parties. (Jul 2001)
Restrict campaign donations from foreigners or 3rd parties. (May 1999)
Limit punitive damages; term limits on Congress. (Sep 1994)
Government is too big, too intrusive, too easy with money. (Sep 1994)

Seeks Ron Paul's supporters based on libertarian message. (Jun 2008)
On ballot in 48 states; working on last two. (Jun 2008)
Libertarian nominee hopes to be on ballot in all 50 states. (May 2008)
McCain is big-government; I am small-government. (May 2008)
Expects votes to come from those who would sit out election. (May 2008)
Rejects "spolier" label; expects to win electoral votes. (May 2008)
Served as US Attorney and as a CIA official. (Apr 2008)
Announces for president: time for principle over complacency. (Apr 2008)
Clinton echoed Nixon's claim of being above the law. (Jul 2004)
Religious affiliation: Methodist. (Nov 2000)
Contract with America: 10 bills in 1st 100 days of Congress. (Sep 1994)

Voted YES on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
Sponsored bill banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jan 2001)

Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)





Chuck Baldwin Constitution Party candidate
GOP & Dems both want open borders. (Jul 2008)
Seal borders; no amnesty; no social services for illegals. (May 2008)
No path to citizenship for illegal aliens. (May 2008)
Cut off money supply & illegal immigration dries up. (May 2008)
End birthright citizenship; no more anchor babies. (May 2008)
Repeal the "anchor baby" loophole. (Apr 2008)

No North American Union; no NAFTA Superhighway. (May 2008)
Don't merge US into North American Community. (May 2008)
Out of the UN, NAFTA, and NATO. (May 2008)

Restore a debt free, interest free money system. (May 2008)

Develop exit strategy for phased withdrawal of US troops. (Jul 2008)
We have become an occupation force in sovereign Iraq. (May 2008)
Opposed preemptive invasion; & opposes occupation of Iraq. (May 2008)
Remove troops from Iraq; offer bounties on terrorists. (May 2008)
Begin safely extracting our troops from Iraq. (May 2008)

Deploy a fully-operational strategic defense system. (May 2008)
Resist reducing benefits to veterans and their survivors. (May 2008)
Strong national defense that is second to none. (May 2008)
PATRIOT Act violates principles of 4th & 5th Amendments. (May 2008)
Americans have more to fear from D.C. than Baghdad or Tehran. (May 2008)
There is absolutely no reason for us to be in NATO. (May 2008)

Nominated at Constitution Party convention, 383-125. (Apr 2008)
Married; three children; six grandchildren. (Apr 2008)
Chaired Moral Majority but later distanced himself. (Apr 2008)
Endorsed Ron Paul in Republican primary. (Apr 2008)
Critic of Pres. Bush and his Christian right followers. (Apr 2008)
Constitution Party Vice Presidential nominee in 2004. (Apr 2008)


2nd Amendment protects our liberty! Go buy a gun!. (May 2008)
Member of Gun Owners of America, and the NRA. (May 2008)
Unequivocal support for right to keep & bear arms. (Apr 2008)
 

Mrs.Greg

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Yanuck said:
Okay let me rephrase that,can any Americans tell me why their candidate is the one to vote for, I've read and listened not to worry, I want to know if it can be done without the bashing/name calling
Good question,I'm wondering the answer myself :)
 

jigs

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personally, I like the Republican Party because it tends to be a "puul yourself up and be productive" type of party, where the democrats lean more to " relax, we will tax the workers to pay for your sloven lazy lifestyle"

also I am a firm believer that the democrats promote racism, and social division in this country because that is where they get thier power from.

and Palin is a babe.....she gets my vote.
 

Sandhusker

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We don't have much of a choice, again. However, I generally classify people politically as hard left, moderate left, moderate right, or hard right. I've you're hard left, Obama is your man. He's past liberalism and into socialsim. If you're moderate either way, McCain is your man. Sometimes he's conservative, sometimes he's liberal. If you're hard right, you'll either hold your nose and vote for McCain as the lesser of the evils, or you'll vote for a third candidate knowing he won't get it but your vote will show up as not supporting the main two parties.
 

aplusmnt

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I would vote for Palin because she is a Conservative, and tolerate McCain as VP....I mean President. :)

Seriously though, I pretty well agree with Sandhuskers comment.

I don't like McCains views on Immigration nor Global Warming. I do respect his service, his being a candidate of change by being a Maverick and going with his conscience rather it goes against Republicans at times or Democrats.

I like that McCain has made spending a big part of his legacy and has not went after much if any pork for his home state. And that he runs on the ticket that he would like to Change the way Washington is ran.

I also like that he picked a running mate that has a proven record as a person who gets stuff done and Mirrors his views of Change by going after the Good old boys of her own party in her own state.

I believe once you factor all that in, McCain and Palin are the party of Change. They should use that as their slogan, it is kind of catchy!
 

fff

Well-known member
Yanuck said:
and not yet registered with either party, can anyone, without discussing/bashing the opposing party, or members of anyone's family, sell me on why I should vote for Obama/Biden, or McCain/Palin? I'm curious to see if anyone will answer, and if the mud slinging/name calling can be kept out of an election or at least out of this topic??!!

This is the government Obama strives for:

It's a promise that says each of us has the freedom to make of our own lives what we will, but that we also have the obligation to treat each other with dignity and respect.

It's a promise that says the market should reward drive and innovation and generate growth, but that businesses should live up to their responsibilities to create American jobs, look out for American workers, and play by the rules of the road.

Ours is a promise that says government cannot solve all our problems, but what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves, protect us from harm and provide every child a decent education; keep our water clean and our toys safe; invest in new schools and new roads and new science and technology.

Our government should work for us, not against us. It should help us, not hurt us. It should ensure opportunity, not just for those with the most money and influence, but for every American who's willing to work.

That's the promise of America, the idea that we are responsible for ourselves, but that we also rise or fall as one nation; the fundamental belief that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper.

Obama

Considering the government we've lived with for eight years and that McCain promises four more years of the same, that he used a hurricane to promote himself, that he chose an unvetted, unprepared vice presidental candidate to promote himself, his age, his lack of understanding for how most of us live, how he's flip flopped on issue after issue, Obama has to be my choice.
 

Yanuck

Well-known member
fff said:
Yanuck said:
and not yet registered with either party, can anyone, without discussing/bashing the opposing party, or members of anyone's family, sell me on why I should vote for Obama/Biden, or McCain/Palin? I'm curious to see if anyone will answer, and if the mud slinging/name calling can be kept out of an election or at least out of this topic??!!

This is the government Obama strives for:

It's a promise that says each of us has the freedom to make of our own lives what we will, but that we also have the obligation to treat each other with dignity and respect.

It's a promise that says the market should reward drive and innovation and generate growth, but that businesses should live up to their responsibilities to create American jobs, look out for American workers, and play by the rules of the road.

Ours is a promise that says government cannot solve all our problems, but what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves, protect us from harm and provide every child a decent education; keep our water clean and our toys safe; invest in new schools and new roads and new science and technology.

Our government should work for us, not against us. It should help us, not hurt us. It should ensure opportunity, not just for those with the most money and influence, but for every American who's willing to work.

That's the promise of America, the idea that we are responsible for ourselves, but that we also rise or fall as one nation; the fundamental belief that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper.

Obama

Considering the government we've lived with for eight years and that McCain promises four more years of the same, that he used a hurricane to promote himself, that he chose an unvetted, unprepared vice presidental candidate to promote himself, his age, his lack of understanding for how most of us live, how he's flip flopped on issue after issue, Obama has to be my choice.


those words in bold would fall in the "mudslinging" category, but you're the 1st and only Democrat to reply so far, surely there must be more out there?
 

jigs

Well-known member
fff said:
Yanuck said:
and not yet registered with either party, can anyone, without discussing/bashing the opposing party, or members of anyone's family, sell me on why I should vote for Obama/Biden, or McCain/Palin? I'm curious to see if anyone will answer, and if the mud slinging/name calling can be kept out of an election or at least out of this topic??!!

This is the government Obama strives for:

It's a promise that says each of us has the freedom to make of our own lives what we will, but that we also have the obligation to treat each other with dignity and respect.

It's a promise that says the market should reward drive and innovation and generate growth, but that businesses should live up to their responsibilities to create American jobs, look out for American workers, and play by the rules of the road.

Ours is a promise that says government cannot solve all our problems, but what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves, protect us from harm and provide every child a decent education; keep our water clean and our toys safe; invest in new schools and new roads and new science and technology.

Our government should work for us, not against us. It should help us, not hurt us. It should ensure opportunity, not just for those with the most money and influence, but for every American who's willing to work.

That's the promise of America, the idea that we are responsible for ourselves, but that we also rise or fall as one nation; the fundamental belief that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper.

Obama

Considering the government we've lived with for eight years and that McCain promises four more years of the same, that he used a hurricane to promote himself, that he chose an unvetted, unprepared vice presidental candidate to promote himself, his age, his lack of understanding for how most of us live, how he's flip flopped on issue after issue, Obama has to be my choice.

McCain chose an unprepared VP ?? it appears to me that Biden is the one running with an unprepared candidate.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Yanuck, maybe you can get the liberals here to list Obama's qualifications and achievements. I've been trying for months and the only response I got was "He got nominated".

Ask them about his stand on the Second Amendment and the absolute rights the Constitution guarantees.

Ask them about his position on infanticide.

Ask them about how he financed his home.

Ask them about his association with a domestic terrorist.

Ask them if there are any documented instances of Obama lying to the American people.

Collect their answers (if you get any) and ask yourself if this is a person that you want running your country.
 

VanC

Well-known member
nonothing said:
I would answer but was politly not asked to......

I think you should answer. You have as much right to an opinion as anyone here, whether you can cast a vote or not. Besides, the direction America takes will affect the entire world, whether they like it or not.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
nonothing said:
I would answer but was politly not asked to......

Go ahead. None of the people that actually plan on voting for the guy will - they just put their heads in the sand and figure if they ignore it, it won't exist.
 

fff

Well-known member
Yanuck said:
fff said:
Yanuck said:
and not yet registered with either party, can anyone, without discussing/bashing the opposing party, or members of anyone's family, sell me on why I should vote for Obama/Biden, or McCain/Palin? I'm curious to see if anyone will answer, and if the mud slinging/name calling can be kept out of an election or at least out of this topic??!!

This is the government Obama strives for:

It's a promise that says each of us has the freedom to make of our own lives what we will, but that we also have the obligation to treat each other with dignity and respect.

It's a promise that says the market should reward drive and innovation and generate growth, but that businesses should live up to their responsibilities to create American jobs, look out for American workers, and play by the rules of the road.

Ours is a promise that says government cannot solve all our problems, but what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves, protect us from harm and provide every child a decent education; keep our water clean and our toys safe; invest in new schools and new roads and new science and technology.

Our government should work for us, not against us. It should help us, not hurt us. It should ensure opportunity, not just for those with the most money and influence, but for every American who's willing to work.

That's the promise of America, the idea that we are responsible for ourselves, but that we also rise or fall as one nation; the fundamental belief that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper.

Obama

Considering the government we've lived with for eight years and that McCain promises four more years of the same, that he used a hurricane to promote himself, that he chose an unvetted, unprepared vice presidental candidate to promote himself, his age, his lack of understanding for how most of us live, how he's flip flopped on issue after issue, Obama has to be my choice.


those words in bold would fall in the "mudslinging" category, but you're the 1st and only Democrat to reply so far, surely there must be more out there?

How do you consider the FACT that McCain will be the oldest man ever sworn into the office for his first term mud slinging?

How do you consider the FACT that McCain went to the Gulf Coast, using important resources for his staff, his protection, his safety, instead of getting out of the way for people to do their jobs is mud slinging?

How do you consider the FACT that Ms Palin didn't even know what the Vice President's job was a couple of weeks ago mud slinging?

How do you consider the FACT that McCain thinks earning $2.5 million is middle class as mud slinging?

How do you consider that the FACT that McCain was against offshore drilling before he was for offshore drilling (flip flop) mud slinging?

Waiting for your reply......
 

RobertMac

Well-known member
Yanuck, watch Sarah Palin tomorrow night...you will find your answer.

She is a traditional conservative...best candidate on a ticket since 1984, President Reagan.

She is proven to be against corrupt politics that is "Washington politics".
(Hope this doesn't disqualify my answer, but she exposes OT for the hypocrite he is! :lol: )

She is more qualified on energy than any of the other candidates and she will solve our energy problems.

She is every-day folk, just like us...she is part of fly-over country.

She is the future of a traditional, conservative Republican party and our only real hope for change in our federal government. Neither the Democrat party or the country club Republican party(which is control now) will change Washington politics. SHE WILL!!!!!

With that AR-15, she reminds me of my wife shooting National Match!!!! :wink: :D 8)
 

fff

Well-known member
RobertMac said:
Yanuck, watch Sarah Palin tomorrow night...you will find your answer.

She is a traditional conservative...best candidate on a ticket since 1984, President Reagan.

She is proven to be against corrupt politics that is "Washington politics".
(Hope this doesn't disqualify my answer, but she exposes OT for the hypocrite he is! :lol: )

She is more qualified on energy than any of the other candidates and she will solve our energy problems.

She is every-day folk, just like us...she is part of fly-over country.

She is the future of a traditional, conservative Republican party and our only real hope for change in our federal government. Neither the Democrat party or the country club Republican party(which is control now) will change Washington politics. SHE WILL!!!!!

With that AR-15, she reminds me of my wife shooting National Match!!!! :wink: :D 8)

Sara Palin is not anti corruption. Palin's name is listed on 2003 incorporation papers of the "Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.," a 527 group that could raise unlimited funds from corporate donors. In case you haven't been keeping up, Stevens was indicted in July 2008 on seven counts of corruption. She hired lobbyist to lobby Congress for earmarks for Alaska. She was for the "bridge to nowhere" before she was against it and did NOT send the money back to DC when the project was cancelled. And she's now lawyered up to stonewall the investigation into "troopergate" in her own homestate.

If she's the only real hope for the Conservative wing of the Republican Party, you guys are in deep do do. :D
 

RobertMac

Well-known member
fff said:
RobertMac said:
Yanuck, watch Sarah Palin tomorrow night...you will find your answer.

She is a traditional conservative...best candidate on a ticket since 1984, President Reagan.

She is proven to be against corrupt politics that is "Washington politics".
(Hope this doesn't disqualify my answer, but she exposes OT for the hypocrite he is! :lol: )

She is more qualified on energy than any of the other candidates and she will solve our energy problems.

She is every-day folk, just like us...she is part of fly-over country.

She is the future of a traditional, conservative Republican party and our only real hope for change in our federal government. Neither the Democrat party or the country club Republican party(which is control now) will change Washington politics. SHE WILL!!!!!

With that AR-15, she reminds me of my wife shooting National Match!!!! :wink: :D 8)

Sara Palin is not anti corruption. Palin's name is listed on 2003 incorporation papers of the "Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.," a 527 group that could raise unlimited funds from corporate donors. In case you haven't been keeping up, Stevens was indicted in July 2008 on seven counts of corruption. She hired lobbyist to lobby Congress for earmarks for Alaska. She was for the "bridge to nowhere" before she was against it and did NOT send the money back to DC when the project was cancelled. And she's now lawyered up to stonewall the investigation into "troopergate" in her own homestate.

If she's the only real hope for the Conservative wing of the Republican Party, you guys are in deep do do. :D

Running scared,fff????? :roll: :lol: :lol: 8)
 

fff

Well-known member
No, RM, I find Sara Palin very inspiring. She's a symbol and a good one of how the Bush Administration has been run for almost eight years. Competence doesn't matter to them; your politics and religion matter. And look where it's brought this country. :( McSame promises more of the same.
 
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