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As Usual, Nobody Else Had a Gun

passin thru

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Can you imagine the mental anguish you are causing her over agreeing with her :lol:




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kolanuraven

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aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
Mike...this boy was way WAY beyond ' goofy' and everyone seemed to know it! The mental professionals dropped the ball on this one.

AND...V Tech dropped the ball by not locking down that school. Any school, no matter how big, has a limited number of entrances/exits. They should have locked down those entrances/exits, locked down each building and each room within each building. Then start by see who is still on the move and check them out first.

Yes, you stand the chance of locking the ' bad guy' in....but your chance of limiting the damage is much better!

How could damages be limited? The shooter was in a locked down building. One he locked himself and we know how that turned out.

We have towns around here smaller than this campus. When someone gets shot they do not lock down the whole town. The shut down the crime scene and investigate it.

People are acting like this is some small elementary school that did not lock down. It is like a small city. Crimes happen all over on large campuses and they do not lock them down.

This is the blame game, someone has to be to blame. Well their is only one person to blame here and he is died the cowardly death.


He WAS NOT locked down....he went back to his dorm after his first shooting spree, added some to his manifesto....went to the post office and CAME BACK. If the entrances had been locked down after the 1st incident....he'd not gotten back in...would have been stopped @ that entrance.
 

memanpa

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that said i would like to know how you possibly could have locked down a campus that is the size of a small city? not like it is surrounded by razor wire and or a block fence surrounding it as i understand it the school blends in with the surrounding community, does this mean you lock down the whole town?
26000 students, 2600 acres 100 bldgs small airport, it doesn't seem possible to LOCKDOWN the campus,
this was not some jr high or high schools where students have someplace to be at all times, this is a college campus that has students going from class to class or to even back to living quarters, for a nap, or going out for a cup of coffee.
since there are few or no fences surrounding the area it t would be no problem to simply walk across an empty lot to gain access negating the LIMITED number of exits and entrances that have been mentioned.
it there were 2600 policemen available that would still leave them with only one man per acre and however many buildings in each sector, and each policeman responisble with a min of 100 people to contend with based on the school enrollment. would be a logistics nightmare :roll:
 

kolanuraven

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passin thru said:
Can you imagine the mental anguish you are causing her over agreeing with her :lol:




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Ya'll should be MORE worried about yourselves and that you agree with me....

I see it as you all are finally coming to your senses!!!! :wink:
 

passin thru

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OK, I came to my senses. Now since I have you can follow me and do as I say...........after all I came to my senses so you would be doin the right thing.
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April 19, 2007
Fred Thompson
Signs of Intelligence?

One of the things that's got to be going through a lot of peoples' minds now is how one man with two handguns, that he had to reload time and time again, could go from classroom to classroom on the Virginia Tech campus without being stopped. Much of the answer can be found in policies put in place by the university itself.



Virginia, like 39 other states, allows citizens with training and legal permits to carry concealed weapons. That means that Virginians regularly sit in movie theaters and eat in restaurants among armed citizens. They walk, joke and rub shoulders everyday with people who responsibly carry firearms -- and are far safer than they would be in San Francisco, Oakland, Detroit, Chicago, New York City, or Washington, D.C., where such permits are difficult or impossible to obtain.



The statistics are clear. Communities that recognize and grant Second Amendment rights to responsible adults have a significantly lower incidence of violent crime than those that do not. More to the point, incarcerated criminals tell criminologists that they consider local gun laws when they decide what sort of crime they will commit, and where they will do so.



Still, there are a lot of people who are just offended by the notion that people can carry guns around. They view everybody, or at least many of us, as potential murderers prevented only by the lack of a convenient weapon. Virginia Tech administrators overrode Virginia state law and threatened to expel or fire anybody who brings a weapon onto campus.



In recent years, however, armed Americans -- not on-duty police officers -- have successfully prevented a number of attempted mass murders. Evidence from Israel, where many teachers have weapons and have stopped serious terror attacks, has been documented. Supporting, though contrary, evidence from Great Britain, where strict gun controls have led to violent crime rates far higher than ours, is also common knowledge.



So Virginians asked their legislators to change the university's "concealed carry" policy to exempt people 21 years of age or older who have passed background checks and taken training classes. The university, however, lobbied against that bill, and a top administrator subsequently praised the legislature for blocking the measure.



The logic behind this attitude baffles me, but I suspect it has to do with a basic difference in worldviews. Some people think that power should exist only at the top, and everybody else should rely on "the authorities" for protection.



Despite such attitudes, average Americans have always made up the front line against crime. Through programs like Neighborhood Watch and Amber Alert, we are stopping and catching criminals daily. Normal people tackled "shoe bomber" Richard Reid as he was trying to blow up an airliner. It was a truck driver who found the D.C. snipers. Statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that civilians use firearms to prevent at least a half million crimes annually.



When people capable of performing acts of heroism are discouraged or denied the opportunity, our society is all the poorer. And from the selfless examples of the passengers on Flight 93 on 9/11 to Virginia Tech professor Liviu Librescu, a Holocaust survivor who sacrificed himself to save his students earlier this week, we know what extraordinary acts of heroism ordinary citizens are capable of.



Many other universities have been swayed by an anti-gun, anti-self defense ideology. I respect their right to hold those views, but I challenge their decision to deny Americans the right to protect themselves on their campuses -- and then proudly advertise that fact to any and all.



Whenever I've seen one of those "Gun-free Zone" signs, especially outside of a school filled with our youngest and most vulnerable citizens, I've always wondered exactly who these signs are directed at. Obviously, they don't mean much to the sort of man who murdered 32 people just a few days ago.


http://abcradio.com/article.asp?id=389928&SPID=15663


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Steve

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KolanuRaven
Ya'll should be MORE worried about yourselves and that you agree with me....

I'm not worried, and my computer seemed to recover fine...

It seems that as far as guns are concerned you have always taken a "conservative" position....

as for locking down the campus.....in after thought it would have been the right thing to do....but when the first incident and news came out it appeared as if it was a "domestic" type shooting...

Place the blame where it belongs....with the coward....not at officials who couldn't fathom the evil within him...the blame lies squarely on him,..and no others.
 

kolanuraven

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I wasn't blaming officials...but we all know that what most incidents or things ' appear' to be usually are not .

I guess what really riles me is that no one paid attention to the stalking issues at the very beginning of the complaints. Maybe it's because a large percentage of the 'establishment' in law are men and being men they will (probably ) NEVER know what it is like to be stalked . This is the core of this whole deal. If this had been dealt with more force, it might have derailed this whole deal.

Before you go off the wall on the above statement think about it a bit. It's true. I'd guess 90% of the women you know ( and on this site) have had some type of ' problem' with a stalker, in fact it's common for most women. I ' pack heat' EVERWHERE I go due to past issue of stalking and YES I have licenses to do such. Granted the stalker is dead now, but still that sense of being wary stays with you.

And most people whom you complain to, DO NOT take it serious. After arson attempts on my home, destroyed paint of autos, my dog killed, followed everywhere I went, phone lines cut, etc....all I heard was ' well he's go to do something!!! It was gonna take him hurting me for action to swing into place it seemed. Injunction and injunction did nothing to slow it down. Luckily, I was fortunate enough to be able to protect myself...but so many are not able to have protection.

When ANYONE in your life , esp a female, tells you that something is not quiet right with so & so...LISTEN!!! There's something to that tale of women's intuition!!
 

IL Rancher

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One problem was the girls failed to press charges against the guy to though Kola.. I am sure it was the typical college age gal mentality that it was no big deal and he would stop now that the police talked to him. the problem with this whole situation though is still that the boy should have been in inpatient treatment or in jail and no where near the campus, it was illegal for him to buy the gun but he obviously lied on the questioniare and it wasn't caught due to privacy laws.. And basically, the boy was evil. Pretty black and white really, the kid was friging evil.
 

kolanuraven

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True they didn't press charges but I know in my instance when I'd complain about my problem, the whole situation was poo-pooed on and you were basically told there was no reason to press charges. Not sure if that's cause my local cops were too lazy to persue it ( kin-ship issues) or what.

I can imagine if you were a young girl 18/19...away from home and stalking like this kind of happens it intimidates you. Girls need to be taught NOT to be afraid to take someone on and push and press charges if that what it takes. Stand your ground for yourself!
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
I can imagine if you were a young girl 18/19...away from home and stalking like this kind of happens it intimidates you. Girls need to be taught NOT to be afraid to take someone on and push and press charges if that what it takes. Stand your ground for yourself!

Packing some heat helps also! :wink: (which I believe you did and or do) I think if I was a woman and even if I did not feel it necessary to conceal carry before a stalker I sure would be getting me a permit and shooting lessons once I had a stalker.

If a stalker kills someone I would at least like to think it was only because they were the quicker on the draw, not because the woman was helpless.
 

jodywy

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katrina said:
What bothers me is the fact there was NO secerity camara at the dorm.. If there would of been things might of been differant... :(
White Hall was all girls no men allowed on top two floors(virgin towers). :shock: No men after 12 pm on any floor.
Cameras in the lobby on the elevators and cameras on the stairs going up.One would go down stairs to the basement the girls would bring the elevator down you get on and hope elevator didn't stop an open at the first floor in front of the desk. :oops: :oops: :twisted:
no guns on campus except for campus police.... thing there probally hald dozen on our dorm floor.... even had a pistol locked in the closet in drawer
 

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