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Astor-turf crowd.

Steve

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http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2009/09/conservative-woodstock-rocks-the-capital/

Patriotic anti-big-government taxpayers blast through the million protester mark

liberals who were not there say say 60,000 to 70,000

early reports say 1.5 million,..

but so far not one peep out of anyone willing to say.. it was large enough to deserve news coverage.. and it was grassroots..

ask your selves after following the link.. is the media to be trusted any more then the politicians today.. as both seem to be ignoring the grass roots people that are the real attendees yesterday!



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Steve

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I was there.. it defied belief.. the march started and was blanketing Pennsylvania Ave. to the capital.. we stopped at 7th and could not go any further.. the capital police let everyone go cars and buses alike were swarmed by the people,

by the time we reached the already packed capital lawn it was clear the crowd was not anticipated, the stage was set up on the right or southwest lawn, and the other ares were fenced off.. we went to the north west lawn and tried to stay there for the early speakers..

word soon came the mall was getting full .. from where we were you couldn't see the mall.. just a sea of people..

after a while went to the toilet.. it was a long line but quick and polite.. from there the crowd extended a few blocks down Pennsylvania ave at least.. and the police were trying to move them towards the mall..

and just for Old timer, I checked the porto pottys and they were spotless.. I was shocked at how the crowd who had such a incontinence problem could keep the toilets so clean.. no depends stuck in them or any pee on the floor.. :roll: :roll: :wink:

from there I went over by the pool and could see the mall which was packed it looked like the crowd extended to the Washington monument..

soon after that the capital police started telling those who went to the mall they had to leave.. and the organizer made an announcement that we were not allowed on the mall..

at about 3 we started to leave to catch our bus... the crowd was still pretty big.. and still more were still coming...

and many were leaving,.. by then the mall was still crowded and the street in front was still blocked..

we were scheduled to leave at 4 and were at the bus location but held up
we were finally able to leave after 6,.. it was still really crowded.. but you could see the crowd had dispersed...

so who knows how many were there?

I would bet it was more the 60,000 70,000 .. but you decide for your selves.. either way.. it seems the left might be spending alot of time trying to put out a fire.. they say never got lit...
 

Steve

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by using how the national park service estimates crowds. I now understand how they came up with the estimates..

by going to the link... and by my account the area set up for 240,000 at lawn of the capital was full... it took me an hour and half to get half way up the lawn to the bottom where the porta potty were..

so I would honestly say.. 240,000 people were jammed into that section...

A tightly packed crowd has a density of one person per 2.5 square feet, an area slightly larger than this newspaper.

that seemed about right.. if not more tightly packed..
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the mall area seemed more spread out when I looked then the lawn..

so I wouldn't venture to 950,000 for that area.. and I doubt it reached the Washington monument despite reports from the organizers that it did.. I could not see that far, while I could see the Washington monument I couldn't see where the crowd stopped.. as it didn't seem to..

after looking at the photos from the million man march and the inauguration

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after looking at those photos, I would say only about another 200,000 could have been on the mall.. maybe 300,000

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it would appear that either way it was more then the liberal media estimates and less the the million man march by my opinion if you excluded the Pennsylvania ave march..

and I am not sure how you calculate Pennsylvania Ave crowds..?

but ,... "Approximately 60,000 to 70,000 people flooded Pennsylvania Ave, according to the Washington DC Fire Department."...

the number was taken from the starting point at 8:30.. just as the crowd started..

so decide for your selves..

I say.. 600,000 now that I educated myself abit on crowd estimations in DC.. and I think that will prove low..
 

Whitewing

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Nice work Steve.

You know, biologists seem to make some pretty darned accurate counts of animal populations under some varied and difficult conditions.

Perhaps they've already got this down to a science, but one would think that for an area as critical as DC, the authorities would have this crowd count thingy all worked out.

Instead, we get numbers all over the map. What's up with that?
 

Steve

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from another source..
For those familiar with the Capital and the Mall, the crowd filled the Capital west lawn, the area around the Grant reflecting pool, and west to Fourth street. It started encroaching on another group’s permit west of the Grant statue. It could be another 100,000 to 200,000 because they were forced to spread out along the sides of the rally because of the permit limits and the loudspeakers’ range.

Look at the picture.

Now look down the Mall and see the small white building on the left side of the Mall just beyond the Reflecting Pool of the Grant statue. That’s about where the crowd petered out (around Fourth St). Anything beyond that was not part of this crowd. There were hundreds beyond there coming and leaving, but not part of the listening crowd.

Also, it was a long day, so many came early and left early, especially since they couldn’t hear well at the far reaches.

I’d like to say two million, but that has never been seen in Washington, even for Obama’s government/lobbyist/union financed crowning. The 4th of July fireworks gets about 500,000 and that fills the Mall.

Add in some more thousands to the near left and right of Obama crowd because this crowd extended more to the sides than the Inaugural crowd.

The mall was not full, it backed up to about 4th Street and then started to drop off after about 1:00.

so there three eyewitness reports that say the mall crowd petered out by about fourth street..

BTW theses were ones discounting the 2 million number someone started using..



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hypocritexposer

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The 2M number was started by the Democrats, an aide to Pelosi to be specific.



A top aide to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned fellow Democrats in a memo obtained by FOXNews.com that up to 2 million people may attend.

But conservatives believe Democrats are playing an expectations game to claim the event was a failure.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/11/tea-party-rally-sparks-dispute-potential-turnout/
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
The 2M number was started by the Democrats, an aide to Pelosi to be specific.



A top aide to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned fellow Democrats in a memo obtained by FOXNews.com that up to 2 million people may attend.

But conservatives believe Democrats are playing an expectations game to claim the event was a failure.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/11/tea-party-rally-sparks-dispute-potential-turnout/

the event organizers expected 20,000 to 30,000

it was clear they and the plans/services they set up was inadequate for the huge crowd..
 

Cal

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Incredible! But it'd probably just took six old bit..... from Code Pink protesting to get more news coverage.
 

hypocritexposer

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I was pretty impressed with some of the pictures I have seen of what the mall looked like after the March.

Steve would you say that by most accounts it was kept fairly clean?

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Becasue we all know what it looked like after the inauguration

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Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
I was pretty impressed with some of the pictures I have seen of what the mall looked like after the March.

Steve would you say that by most accounts it was kept fairly clean?

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I would agree ... I already said the porto potty were really clean..

everyone we went down with had a carry in/carry it back out policy..

expect the case of water I gave out..
 

Steve

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(deleted) She’s on the ground at 11th & Pennsylvania Avenue, where they’re metering the crowd. We’re not talking about taking sample counts from a helicopter than extrapolating some dumb figure.

They’re actually counting people.

And as of about noon Eastern, more than 450,000 people had walked by.

They started marching at 10 A.M. A meter had been set up two blocks from start of march after one hour meter had registered over 450,000 had passed that site.

we couldn't get to the starting point as the march was already started..

our buses unloaded up the street and so we didn't get in the count,. and alot walked up the mall instead..

so I would say if the meter count story is true.. then the number of 600,000 is about right..
 

Steve

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if I'm right and that crowd is roughly 1.6 million people, then that means that one American in every 200 attended the rally. So virtually everyone in America will have known someone who was there.
http://freenj.blogspot.com/2009/09/912-dc-tea-party-crowd-estimates.html

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That’s a solid line of people from Fourteenth & E all the way to the Capitol. Fourteenth Street is where the USA Today dot indicating the 1.2 million who attended LBJ’s inauguration. Of course, this isn’t exactly right, because Pennsylvania is running diagonally, so it’s actually a longer line, and because Pennsylvania is narrower than the Mall (1.25 x 0.2 mi vs. 1.18 x 0.5 mi, by my Google Earth measurements.)

So, if, for the sake of argument, the Mall to Fourteenth, at [1.18 x 0.5 =] .59 sq. mi., holds 1.2M people, and Penn. Ave. to Fourteenth is [1.25 x 0.2] = .25 sq. mi., then you've got something just over 500K people in that picture.

So add that to 80K, and you're up around 600K.
http://www.gormogons.com/2009/09/how-many-people-were-at-big-912-tea.html

if you know a math major he might be able to double check the work this guy did..

so even at the conservative 600,000 using facts it represents alot of people.

now how can a person look at facts and still say. it was 60,000 to 70,000?

that's like taking 650,000 and saying they don't matter..
 
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