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Attention Obama Supporters: How 'bout this?

Texan

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Is this acceptable to you Obama supporters? What does it take to get you guys to speak out?

Now it seems that the Obama Administration not only wants to shut down a perfectly good prison for people that hate us, they want to relocate those prisoners to this country and put them on some type of welfare. :mad:


"If we are to release them in the United States, we need some sort of assistance for them to start a new life," said National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair...

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Terror inmates may be released in US: intel chief

1 day ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — President Barack Obama's intelligence chief confirmed Thursday that some Guantanamo inmates may be released on US soil and receive assistance to return to society.

"If we are to release them in the United States, we need some sort of assistance for them to start a new life," said National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair at his first press conference.

"You can't just put them on the street," he added. "All that is work in progress."

Obama has vowed to close the controversial prison camp by next January and has ordered individual reviews for cases against each of the over 240 remaining prisoners.

Blair told reporters that the review of Guantanamo cases was still underway, and that the government was "building dossiers on each of the detainees."

The Obama administration is currently evaluating what could be done with the prisoners, he said, but pledged that if they are sent to another country, "we have to be sure that that country will treat them in a humane fashion."

Twenty men detained at the remote US naval base at Guantanamo Bay in southern Cuba have been cleared of terrorism charges, including 17 Chinese Uighurs ordered released by a US court in June, seven years after their arrest. But the US says they may face persecution if returned to China.

In an executive order signed days after he took office in January, Obama also promised to uphold the Geneva Conventions for the remaining prisoners until the detention center is closed.

Blair touched on the controversial interrogation techniques used on terror suspects under the administration of president George W. Bush, saying that those methods -- including waterboarding, or simulated drowning -- would not be used under his tenure.

But Blair, a retired US admiral, added that his team was examining other "enhanced interrogation techniques" for high-value detainees that comply with international conventions on prisoners of war.

He did not elaborate on what methods would be used, but said such interrogations should be carried out by "government employees; they shouldn't be contractors; they should be highly trained, very supervised."

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Big Hill

Active member
It appears that the arming of the citizens as evidenced by the media on gun sales and all the disgruntled replies we read and hear today to Obama's policies would indicate a revolution of some type is close at hand.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
What you think the odds are they will be sent to liberal state like Pelosi's? Most likely they will send them to some Midwestern town will the liberal loons keep them out of their cities.
 

Faster horses

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First of all R2, you are assuming they are innocent.
They were picked up for a reason, or they wouldn't be in Gitmo.
They talked about this yesterday on Fox news. They were there
because they are terrorists.
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
Twenty men detained at the remote US naval base at Guantanamo Bay in southern Cuba have been cleared of terrorism charges, including 17 Chinese Uighurs ordered released by a US court in June, seven years after their arrest. But the US says they may face persecution if returned to China.

First of all, this is Robert Gates, former head of the CIA and a Bush appointee, who is saying we will have to provide assistance to those who are released and the people he is talking about are the 17 Chinese who are innocent of terrorism but were held for 7 years in Gitmo without any legal means of protesting their imprisonment or obtaining their freedom. And if we send them back to China, they'll be persecuted.

I am just re-iterating what the article said, which I believe you misread. What do you want us to do with the innocent Chinese -- line them up and shoot them?

Are you aware of the other "innocents" who were sent back home to Iraq, only to end up taking up arms against us again? Were those Chinese guys declared innocent via the same process as those who returned to terrorism in Iraq?
 

Texan

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reader (the Second) said:
Twenty men detained at the remote US naval base at Guantanamo Bay in southern Cuba have been cleared of terrorism charges, including 17 Chinese Uighurs ordered released by a US court in June, seven years after their arrest. But the US says they may face persecution if returned to China.

First of all, this is Robert Gates, former head of the CIA and a Bush appointee, who is saying we will have to provide assistance to those who are released and the people he is talking about are the 17 Chinese who are innocent of terrorism but were held for 7 years in Gitmo without any legal means of protesting their imprisonment or obtaining their freedom. And if we send them back to China, they'll be persecuted.

I am just re-iterating what the article said, which I believe you misread. What do you want us to do with the innocent Chinese -- line them up and shoot them?
:roll: First of all, the article doesn't even mention "Robert Gates, former head of the CIA and a Bush appointee."

The article is about Dennis Blair, current head of Obama's Office of the Director of National Intelligence - NOT Robert Gates. Don't try to lay this off on Bush - this is YOUR guy.

Maybe YOU are the one who misread? :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

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Maybe they could schedule one whole day for all the "innocents"!

Obama could take up 10 minutes to show his documents (and prove that he did not commit fraud), and these Chinese could just let everybody know that they too were accused for no reason!
 

aplusmnt

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Sandhusker said:
reader (the Second) said:
Twenty men detained at the remote US naval base at Guantanamo Bay in southern Cuba have been cleared of terrorism charges, including 17 Chinese Uighurs ordered released by a US court in June, seven years after their arrest. But the US says they may face persecution if returned to China.

First of all, this is Robert Gates, former head of the CIA and a Bush appointee, who is saying we will have to provide assistance to those who are released and the people he is talking about are the 17 Chinese who are innocent of terrorism but were held for 7 years in Gitmo without any legal means of protesting their imprisonment or obtaining their freedom. And if we send them back to China, they'll be persecuted.

I am just re-iterating what the article said, which I believe you misread. What do you want us to do with the innocent Chinese -- line them up and shoot them?

Are you aware of the other "innocents" who were sent back home to Iraq, only to end up taking up arms against us again? Were those Chinese guys declared innocent via the same process as those who returned to terrorism in Iraq?

Exactly! Innocent and lack of the ability to prove they are guilty is two different things. So far hasn't there been between 50 to 100 combatants who would have been innocent by R2's standards that have went on to kill or try to kill Americans after being released?

And if they are such good people that we would want them roaming our streets on tax payers dime then why will no other country in the world take them????????????
 

hypocritexposer

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Maybe when they are in court, they could also pass a test on the constitution or at least the bill of Rights, and Declaration.

Obama is a Constitutional Lawyer, yet lacks the understanding in these basics. Tim Geithner was sure stammering when he was asked how taken control of private companies was Constitutional.

Anybody campaigning should need to answer the question, that Reader can not answer. Do you respect the Constitution, and all it's amendments?
 

S.S.A.P.

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How about they spend one year with the Obama family in the Whitehouse; security could keep an eye on them, Barry, Michelle and the two girls could 'adopt' them and treat them humanely. There is lots of extra room. What better assistance could vacilitate their new life on US soil ... after sharing meals, TV time, family time etc etc. BO and the Mrs could spot them some money at the end of the year - the girls would meet people from different countries and learn about their life abroad. It's a win-win situation. Or perhaps Mr Dennis Blair would welcome them into his home or at the very least his neighborhood.
 

S.S.A.P.

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Reader - the gov't is going to "assist" them - would you take a check from the gov't to pay for their food and lodging and have them live in your home? I'm talking about the ones cleared of charges.
 

CattleCo

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Great Idea SSAP! Let Barack and Michelle give them government housing!
:wink:
We have a complete liar in the White House now and the people he appointed are no better. Sec of Ag ..Secretary Vaseline is going to screw us to the wall in Agriculture!
Anybody in Farming and Ranching that voted for these liberal morons deserves what they are getting! Unfortunately, those that had brains enough to not vote for this socialist are going to suffer too! :cowboy:
 

hypocritexposer

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reader (the Second) said:
So you're saying in the chaos of going into a country where we did not speak the many languages and dialects and had so-so allies in the feudal warlords who we paid money to bring us "enemy combatants" that we didn't accidentally end up with anybody who wasn't a terrorist? The head of national intelligence is saying these people should be given assistance and you know better than he does? :roll: :roll:

They should have sent Obama to translate "terrorist languages", he might have learned the many dialects from Ayres, when he was writing Obama's book.

SSAP, maybe that's not such a bad idea you have, Obama and Michelle, could "reform" these innocents like their friend Ayres.
 

hypocritexposer

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And if we send them back to China, they'll be persecuted

Why? They are innocent!

Mind you, all enemy combatants are innocent in a Liberal's mind, it was the US that caused them to go on a rampage, remember?

All the Illegals coming across the border are innocent too, it's the US's fault once again!
 
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Anonymous

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Faster horses said:
First of all R2, you are assuming they are innocent.
They were picked up for a reason, or they wouldn't be in Gitmo.
They talked about this yesterday on Fox news. They were there
because they are terrorists.
The reason these people were picked up were workers on their way to Turkey. They were accused by some Afagans and the Afagans were rewarded $5000 each for them they accused. No one stopped to check if they were really terror suspects at the time. These rewards cost a lot innocent people to be arrested. The Afagans learned real quick that this was a money making deal for them. I found this on the internet. I am sure some of you have run across this story while checking for right wing stories to report.
 

Tam

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From Bill Mears
CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A federal appeals court panel ruled Wednesday that 17 native Chinese Muslims in military custody at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, cannot be released into the United States.

A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that 17 Uighur detainees cannot be released in the United States.

The three-judge panel concluded by a 2-1 vote there is no legal or constitutional authority for the detainees to be immediately freed, even though they are unlawfully detained and no country is willing to accept them.

The 17 men are Uighurs, an ethnic group from western China. They are accused of receiving weapons and military training in Afghanistan.

Some of the detainees have been cleared for release since 2003, but the United States will not send them back to their homeland because of concern they would be tortured by Chinese authorities.

The Chinese government has said no returned Uighurs would be tortured.

"We do not know whether all petitioners or any of them would qualify for entry or admission [to the United States] under immigration laws," wrote Judge Raymond Randolph.

"We do know there is insufficient evidence to classify them as enemy combatants -- enemies, that is, of the United States. But that hardly qualifies petitioners [the Uighurs] for admission. Nor does their detention at Guantanamo for many years entitle them to enter the United States."

While there is no evidence that the Uighurs plotted against the United States, the Pentagon says the Uighur detainees have ties to a militant group demanding separation from or an autonomous homeland in China.

U.S. District Judge Richard Urbina in October ordered the Uighurs released inside the United States since they are no longer considered "enemy combatants." He said further imprisonment "crossed the constitutional threshold into infinitum."

The Bush administration appealed, seeking a quick hearing to block any release, at least temporarily.

Lawyers for the detainees now have the option of appealing directly to the Supreme Court, but the justices might not take up the matter for months.

President Obama's plans to close the Guantanamo military detention facility complicate matters further.

"The government has represented that it is continuing diplomatic attempts to find an appropriate country willing to admit petitioners, and we have no reason to doubt it is doing so," Randolph noted in the ruling. "Nor do we have the power to require anything more."

Dissenting Judge Judith Rogers agreed with the majority that it would be premature to release the detainees into the United States before their immigration status is resolved. But, she said, were it later determined their detention was illegal, the courts "would have the power to order them conditionally released into the country."

She expressed concern the men have been behind bars for years, and said their detention "appears indefinite."

About 250 detainees, many of them suspected terrorists, remain in the camp. Approximately two-thirds have appealed their continued detention and have complained the government is unfairly keeping them from finding out whether any evidence exists that could clear them of wrongdoing.

Many fear arrest, physical abuse or persecution if they are sent to their homelands, according the Center for Constitutional Rights, which is representing the Uighurs in court. It said the men pose no terror threat and could be released into the United States and stay with a local Muslim community until their cases were resolved.

Among the lead Uighur plaintiffs is Hazaifa Parhat, accused of attending a terror training camp in Afghanistan at the time of the September 11, 2001, attacks. He denies the charge.

Urbina and Judge Richard Leon, who are handling appeals from Guantanamo detainees, have grown frustrated in recent months with the continued detention of some of the men. Leon ordered the release last week of five Algerians accused of being enemy combatants, and urged the government not to appeal.

A leading Republican on Capitol Hill hailed Wednesday's ruling.

"The Bush administration already released over 500 Gitmo detainees that were believed to be 'safe' for transfer," Rep. Lamar Smith, ranking member on the Judiciary Committee, said in a prepared statement.

"Of those, at least 61 have returned to terrorist activities against the U.S. and our allies. The remaining detainees in Guantanamo Bay are the worst-of-the-worst offenders. We cannot allow known terrorists to roam the streets of the U.S.," Smith said. "Congress must provide the courts and the government with clear guidelines for the detention of foreign terrorists."

But civil liberties groups called on Obama to exercise his presidential authority.

"The appellate court's ruling that the trial court lacked the power to compel the executive branch to release the Uighurs into the United States in no way limits the ability of the executive branch to release the Uighurs on its own," said Sharon Bradford Franklin, an attorney with the Constitution Project. "We therefore call on President Obama to choose the right course and evaluate the terms under which the Uighurs may be released into the United States."

U.S. military hearings, known as combatant status review tribunals, determine whether a prisoner can be designated an "enemy combatant" and prosecuted by the military. Some legal and military analysts have likened them to civilian grand jury proceedings.

The decision for the Uighurs could have implications for other Guantanamo prisoners. The Supreme Court has consistently ruled that detainees can go to federal court to contest their imprisonment, but that civilian judges lack the authority to order them freed.

The justices will hear a habeas case in April on Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri, the only remaining enemy combatant held in the United States. He was arrested in 2001 and has been in a Navy brig since 2003. He has been accused of being an al Qaeda sleeper agent but never was charged. He is contesting his continued confinement.

The appeals court case is Kiyemba v. Obama (08-5424).

Attorney General Eric Holder said Wednesday he will travel to the Guantanamo detention center next week as a "first step" in a process to determine what to do with detainees held there.

Holder told reporters review of the Guantanamo detainees' individual cases has begun and officials are "making progress," but he declined to be more specific.

Now I doubt CNN can be considered rightwing. :wink:

If two of three judges that have seen the evidence on these guys don't want them in the US should they be allowed just because some left wing group thinks they should? Remember the left are the ones that refuse to even admit the US is in a war against so called terrorists. :roll:

Ask yourself if you were accused of being trained in Afganistan would you ADMIT IT? :roll:

Since nobody can guarantee these guys are not like the 61 released and returned to the battle field is it really smart to let them go within the US? China said they would not be tortured upon return . Send them back. Taking the chance they will not be tortured is safer that allowing them into the US and taking the chance they are not lieing terrorists. :x
 
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