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Australian Beef Imports Up

RobertMac

Well-known member
mrj said:
Obviously NAIS an COOL are two different things!!!

NAIS is designed to find ANIMAL health problems as quickly as possible in the event of an ANIMAL disease dangerous to the animal production industry, and is capable of carrying valuable information about the animal tagged.

COOL was designed to punish anyone importing beef into the USA, was sold to consumers as having a HUMAN health benefit, and eliminates ONLY the producer from blame if any foodborne illness is caused by the meat. The ONLY thing it can do is indicate which country the beef is from..... with no indication or or even a hint of any level of safety or quality included in that label.

For the record, I oppose mandatory NAIS at this time because the voluntary version allows those who use it to differentiate their cattle from 'the herd' to benefit from it, and to control what information they give to others via the tag or chip.

mrj
Interesting that intelligent people can be so duped.
designed to punish anyone importing beef into the USA
It requires those that don't want to label their product by country of origin to do so.If it weren't for the J-list, this MCOOL law wouldn't be necessary. I don't think any of the Canadian producers here have a problem labeling their beef as a Product of Canada. I agree with SH that Canadians would benefit because a large percentage of their beef would qualify for the more lucrative H&R market. Who is making the extra profit off of Canadian Prime and high-choice carcasses now???? THE PACKERS THAT DON'T WANT MCOOL!!!!!
was sold to consumers as having a HUMAN health benefit
Instead of the "Product of USA, Canada, or Mexico" label, the label read "Product of USA, Canada, Mexico, or China"...would the public consider that a "HUMAN health benefit"?????
eliminates ONLY the producer from blame if any foodborne illness is caused by the meat.
Can't say that I get your point here, but will ask...is the meat of an animal contaminated with E.coli before it hit the kill floor?
The ONLY thing it can do is indicate which country the beef is from.....
And that is the intent of the law!
 

Tex

Well-known member
mrj said:
Obviously NAIS an COOL are two different things!!!

NAIS is designed to find ANIMAL health problems as quickly as possible in the event of an ANIMAL disease dangerous to the animal production industry, and is capable of carrying valuable information about the animal tagged.

COOL was designed to punish anyone importing beef into the USA, was sold to consumers as having a HUMAN health benefit, and eliminates ONLY the producer from blame if any foodborne illness is caused by the meat. The ONLY thing it can do is indicate which country the beef is from..... with no indication or or even a hint of any level of safety or quality included in that label.

For the record, I oppose mandatory NAIS at this time because the voluntary version allows those who use it to differentiate their cattle from 'the herd' to benefit from it, and to control what information they give to others via the tag or chip.

mrj

mrj, anyone in marketing will tell you that product differentation is key to getting higher prices. You might want all your meat sold at the lowest world commodity price or you might support NAIS so packers can get the benefits of any differentation that comes along with that, but many people don't want to give that up so freely.

You must have a ranch that is paid off to be so cavalier with money, but there are many others who need the money they make off of their cattle. You do a disservice to them with the things you support. If consumers think paying more for U.S. raised beef is what they want to do with their money why would you stand in their way? You have already put your hat in with the world commodity price as you point out time and time again.

Tex
 

Richard Doolittle

Well-known member
Tex said:
mrj said:
Obviously NAIS an COOL are two different things!!!

NAIS is designed to find ANIMAL health problems as quickly as possible in the event of an ANIMAL disease dangerous to the animal production industry, and is capable of carrying valuable information about the animal tagged.

COOL was designed to punish anyone importing beef into the USA, was sold to consumers as having a HUMAN health benefit, and eliminates ONLY the producer from blame if any foodborne illness is caused by the meat. The ONLY thing it can do is indicate which country the beef is from..... with no indication or or even a hint of any level of safety or quality included in that label.

For the record, I oppose mandatory NAIS at this time because the voluntary version allows those who use it to differentiate their cattle from 'the herd' to benefit from it, and to control what information they give to others via the tag or chip.

mrj

mrj, anyone in marketing will tell you that product differentation is key to getting higher prices. You might want all your meat sold at the lowest world commodity price or you might support NAIS so packers can get the benefits of any differentation that comes along with that, but many people don't want to give that up so freely.

You must have a ranch that is paid off to be so cavalier with money, but there are many others who need the money they make off of their cattle. You do a disservice to them with the things you support. If consumers think paying more for U.S. raised beef is what they want to do with their money why would you stand in their way? You have already put your hat in with the world commodity price as you point out time and time again.

Tex

Do you honestly believe consumers are going to willingly pay more if they have a choice between what they perceive as comparable products?
 

RobertMac

Well-known member
Richard Doolittle said:
Tex said:
mrj said:
Obviously NAIS an COOL are two different things!!!

NAIS is designed to find ANIMAL health problems as quickly as possible in the event of an ANIMAL disease dangerous to the animal production industry, and is capable of carrying valuable information about the animal tagged.

COOL was designed to punish anyone importing beef into the USA, was sold to consumers as having a HUMAN health benefit, and eliminates ONLY the producer from blame if any foodborne illness is caused by the meat. The ONLY thing it can do is indicate which country the beef is from..... with no indication or or even a hint of any level of safety or quality included in that label.

For the record, I oppose mandatory NAIS at this time because the voluntary version allows those who use it to differentiate their cattle from 'the herd' to benefit from it, and to control what information they give to others via the tag or chip.

mrj

mrj, anyone in marketing will tell you that product differentation is key to getting higher prices. You might want all your meat sold at the lowest world commodity price or you might support NAIS so packers can get the benefits of any differentation that comes along with that, but many people don't want to give that up so freely.

You must have a ranch that is paid off to be so cavalier with money, but there are many others who need the money they make off of their cattle. You do a disservice to them with the things you support. If consumers think paying more for U.S. raised beef is what they want to do with their money why would you stand in their way? You have already put your hat in with the world commodity price as you point out time and time again.

Tex

Do you honestly believe consumers are going to willingly pay more if they have a choice between what they perceive as comparable products?
Do you honestly believe consumers are going to willingly pay any amount if they perceive beef will endanger their health?

Do you honestly believe beef can compete with poultry on a price basis with $30 fats?
 

Tex

Well-known member
Richard Doolittle said:
Tex said:
mrj said:
Obviously NAIS an COOL are two different things!!!

NAIS is designed to find ANIMAL health problems as quickly as possible in the event of an ANIMAL disease dangerous to the animal production industry, and is capable of carrying valuable information about the animal tagged.

COOL was designed to punish anyone importing beef into the USA, was sold to consumers as having a HUMAN health benefit, and eliminates ONLY the producer from blame if any foodborne illness is caused by the meat. The ONLY thing it can do is indicate which country the beef is from..... with no indication or or even a hint of any level of safety or quality included in that label.

For the record, I oppose mandatory NAIS at this time because the voluntary version allows those who use it to differentiate their cattle from 'the herd' to benefit from it, and to control what information they give to others via the tag or chip.

mrj

mrj, anyone in marketing will tell you that product differentation is key to getting higher prices. You might want all your meat sold at the lowest world commodity price or you might support NAIS so packers can get the benefits of any differentation that comes along with that, but many people don't want to give that up so freely.

You must have a ranch that is paid off to be so cavalier with money, but there are many others who need the money they make off of their cattle. You do a disservice to them with the things you support. If consumers think paying more for U.S. raised beef is what they want to do with their money why would you stand in their way? You have already put your hat in with the world commodity price as you point out time and time again.

Tex

Do you honestly believe consumers are going to willingly pay more if they have a choice between what they perceive as comparable products?

I think consumers should be convinced that they are NOT comparable products. That is exactly what brands do. They spend money advertising their differences so they can take more consumer dollars home.

I don't think consumers will be able to differentiate meat or any other product based on country if it isn't on the label. We don't have the same food safety in the U.S. as the other parts of the world have as the melamine and bse scare showed. There are risks of consuming anything from China and our regulatory agencies are not catching it. The least they can do is allow us to determine whether or not to take the risk as labeling allows.

Tex
 

mrj

Well-known member
Tex, you obviously do not know anything about my financial picture, nor should you. It simply is none of your business!

And whatever made you think I don't want or need product differentiation???? That is specifically what NAIS can provide for producers, in addition to the trace-back to help control ANIMAL diseases NAIS was initially designed to do.

How did you miss my point that I do NOT support mandatory NAIS? Definitely for "product differentiation" reasons, NOT due to the foolish conspiracy theory reasons being promulgated by too many who want the industry to go backwards!

You clearly mis-understand my point. NAIS tags or chips allow producers to meet dual capabilities: tracing for animal health reasons; and providing the information he chooses to those who purchase his animals, ADDING VALUE to his animals. Some buyers are willing ot pay for that information.

A more accurate assumption that yours would be that producers who want and/or need maximum prices from their cattle NEED to use NAIS tags to market their value adding information. Not all auction barns do a great job of marketing the cattle for all their customers, after all. Producers can do better in many cases.

The Beef Checkoff provides the most current information and advertises the nutrient superiority of beef. Any Extension office can give the basics for all proteins and people who want the best will choose beef when they can afford it.

How can we expect beef to compete with chicken on price? There are any number of reasons to choose beef over other proteins........all trumped by INCOME.

Advertising can be the best, yet if income is not available, consumers are not able to buy beef. People will buy beef when they can afford it and thankfully, many will use some lower cost foods so they can afford beef as often as possible.
 

Richard Doolittle

Well-known member
RobertMac said:
Richard Doolittle said:
Tex said:
mrj, anyone in marketing will tell you that product differentation is key to getting higher prices. You might want all your meat sold at the lowest world commodity price or you might support NAIS so packers can get the benefits of any differentation that comes along with that, but many people don't want to give that up so freely.

You must have a ranch that is paid off to be so cavalier with money, but there are many others who need the money they make off of their cattle. You do a disservice to them with the things you support. If consumers think paying more for U.S. raised beef is what they want to do with their money why would you stand in their way? You have already put your hat in with the world commodity price as you point out time and time again.

Tex

Do you honestly believe consumers are going to willingly pay more if they have a choice between what they perceive as comparable products?
Do you honestly believe consumers are going to willingly pay any amount if they perceive beef will endanger their health?

Do you honestly believe beef can compete with poultry on a price basis with $30 fats?

no

yes
 

Tex

Well-known member
mrj said:
Tex, you obviously do not know anything about my financial picture, nor should you. It simply is none of your business!

And whatever made you think I don't want or need product differentiation???? That is specifically what NAIS can provide for producers, in addition to the trace-back to help control ANIMAL diseases NAIS was initially designed to do.

How did you miss my point that I do NOT support mandatory NAIS? Definitely for "product differentiation" reasons, NOT due to the foolish conspiracy theory reasons being promulgated by too many who want the industry to go backwards!

You clearly mis-understand my point. NAIS tags or chips allow producers to meet dual capabilities: tracing for animal health reasons; and providing the information he chooses to those who purchase his animals, ADDING VALUE to his animals. Some buyers are willing ot pay for that information.

A more accurate assumption that yours would be that producers who want and/or need maximum prices from their cattle NEED to use NAIS tags to market their value adding information. Not all auction barns do a great job of marketing the cattle for all their customers, after all. Producers can do better in many cases.

The Beef Checkoff provides the most current information and advertises the nutrient superiority of beef. Any Extension office can give the basics for all proteins and people who want the best will choose beef when they can afford it.

How can we expect beef to compete with chicken on price? There are any number of reasons to choose beef over other proteins........all trumped by INCOME.

Advertising can be the best, yet if income is not available, consumers are not able to buy beef. People will buy beef when they can afford it and thankfully, many will use some lower cost foods so they can afford beef as often as possible.

mrj, NAIS will allow packers to benefit from the differentiation, not producers. You seem to think that packers like to pass on profits to producers. They do not. They like to keep them.

mrj, I am very familiar with the poultry biz. I was in the store the other day and PP (Pilgrim's Pride) had chicken for sale for fifty cents per lb.

People were still buying beef.

You make assumptions that do nothing but give excuses for packers to reduce cattlemen's price they receive. The cheap poultry argument is one of them.

As long as packers can break the law, put in corrupt judges that overturn plain meaning of laws, and cater to packers, profits for suppliers will hurt. If they do this to poultry or to pigs, they will lower the value of beef. You seem to think that you can "compete" with this system by simply lowering your price. You are wrong.

I am glad that you are so financially set as to not get this right but others are not so endowed. You should stop undermining them with your silly arguments that reduce the value of their products in your attempt to cater to packers.

On your point on NAIS providing added value: What makes you think packers care? The Pickett case showed that they care more about market manipulation than paying for good cattle. They discriminated against better cattle when they thought it would lower their prices on the market as a whole and as a basis for lowering the grid prices.

Tex
 

RobertMac

Well-known member
Richard Doolittle said:
RobertMac said:
Richard Doolittle said:
Do you honestly believe consumers are going to willingly pay more if they have a choice between what they perceive as comparable products?
Do you honestly believe consumers are going to willingly pay any amount if they perceive beef will endanger their health?

Do you honestly believe beef can compete with poultry on a price basis with $30 fats?

no

We agree...beef has been lied about for over 30 years with little or no rebuttal. Saturated fat is in the center of the bull's-eye that is on our product...until we address that, there is little chance for change. If we are going to increase demand, we have to give consumers a reason to buy beef.

yes

Are you sure?

Let's assume $4.00 per pound retail across the whole carcass.( a little high, but close enough) About 40% of the consumers dollar gets back to producers...$1.60.

A drop from $80.00 fats to $30.00 fats is about 60%. So we reduce our $1.60 by 60%, the industry saves a $1.00 retail or retail beef price could be $3.00 per pound. (I say 'could' because that would assume the packers would pass the entire savings to the consumer...do you think that would really happen?)

If you figure producers get 50% of the retail dollar, that would mean a retail beef price of $2.80 per pound.

What is the retail price of poultry?????

Corrections welcome.
 

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