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Average Premium Increase - 41%

Mike

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/11/04/49-state-analysis-obamacare-to-increase-individual-market-premiums-by-avg-of-41-subsidies-flow-to-elderly/

Contrary to what OT told us. :lol: :lol:

He bought into the "pool size" hype and other lies. WE TOLD HIM SO!!!!!!!
 

Whitewing

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That 41% increase is now. Wait till all the heart-attacks-waiting-to-happen like the fatman sign up and only a fraction of the young healthy Americans are tricked into the exchange. THWHTF and rates will double or more.

Yeah, if only someone had warned the numbnuts. :roll:
 

Mike

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The real crap won't hit the fan until after next year because of the one year grace period given business. Just wait.

Meanwhile, the world thinks we're stupid because of Buckwheat's lies and coverup's and they're right.

Jimmah Cahtah likes it because it removes him form the bottom of the list.

Get this: Some Democrats are now saying that amnesty for all illegals can make Obamacare work by getting more healthy people in the exchange :lol: . :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Larrry

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Can just imagine the anarchy at the hospitals after the first of the year when all the people show up and no insurance

But now we got "health care"*

*sarcasm included
 

Tam

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June 13, 2005
Healthcare
Canadian Supreme Court: "Access to a Waiting List is NOT Access to Health Care"
A Wall Street Journal editorial notes a landmark legal decision occurred last week in Canada:

...[T]he Supreme Court of Canada...issued an opinion last Thursday saying, in effect, that Canada's vaunted public health-care system produces intolerable inequality.
Call it the hip that changed health-care history. When George Zeliotis of Quebec was told in 1997 that he would have to wait a year for a replacement for his painful, arthritic hip, he did what every Canadian who's been put on a waiting list does: He got mad. He got even madder when he learned it was against the law to pay for a replacement privately. But instead of heading south to a hospital in Boston or Cleveland, as many Canadians already do, he teamed up to file a lawsuit with Jacques Chaoulli, a Montreal doctor...

The court's decision strikes down a Quebec law banning private medical insurance and is bound to upend similar laws in other provinces. Canada is the only nation other than Cuba and North Korea that bans private health insurance...

"Access to a waiting list is not access to health care," wrote Chief Justice Beverly McLachlin for the 4-3 Court last week. Canadians wait an average of 17.9 weeks for surgery and other therapeutic treatments, according the Vancouver-based Fraser Institute. The waits would be even longer if Canadians didn't have access to the U.S. as a medical-care safety valve. Or, in the case of fortunate elites such as Prime Minister Paul Martin, if they didn't have access to a small private market in some non-core medical services. Mr. Martin's use of a private clinic for his annual checkup set off a political firestorm last year.

The ruling stops short of declaring the national health-care system unconstitutional; only three of the seven judges wanted to go all the way.
But it does say in effect: Deliver better care or permit the development of a private system. "The prohibition on obtaining private health insurance might be constitutional in circumstances where health-care services are reasonable as to both quality and timeliness," the ruling reads, but it "is not constitutional where the public system fails to deliver reasonable services."...

The Canadian ruling ought to be an eye-opener for the U.S., where "single-payer," government-run health care is still a holy grail on the political left and even for some in business (such as the automakers)...

The larger lesson here is that health care isn't immune from the laws of economics. Politicians can't wave a wand and provide equal coverage for all merely by declaring medical care to be a "right," in the word that is currently popular on the American left.

There are only two ways to allocate any good or service: through prices, as is done in a market economy, or lines dictated by government, as in Canada's system. The socialist claim is that a single-payer system is more equal than one based on prices, but last week's court decision reveals that as an illusion. Or, to put it another way, Canadian health care is equal only in its shared scarcity.

...If the Canadian ruling can open American eyes to the limitations of government-run health care, Mr. Zeliotis's hip just might end up saving the U.S. system too...

To bad the US politicians hadn't read the Canadian Supreme Court 2005 ruling before they stuffed their broken Obamacare LAW OF THE LAND bill down your throats. :wink: If you don't think you are going to have long wait times to see the few doctors the Insurance companies have on their plans you are sadly mistaken or lying to yourself as much as Obama lied to you to get Obamacare past. :roll:
 

Tam

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Wow Wow WOW as Obama was out last week telling everyone that he wanted to protect everyone and that is why they wrote the Grandfather provision and it wasn't strong enough to protect about 5% of the private plans, his DOJ were filing a brief with the courts that say the GROUP POLICIES will not meet the grandfather clause and will have to transition into "OTHER" plans by the end of 2013. :shock:

This is not about just 5% of the private plans like he is pumping out in his so called apology speeches according to HIS OWN DOJ. :roll:

LIE LIE LIE the man can not be trusted AT ALL.

The Obama administration has repeatedly said that the health-insurance-plan cancellations receiving so much attention in the news in recent days will affect only the 5 percent of Americans who purchase insurance on the individual market. The Department of Justice, however, in a brief filed in federal court last month, conceded that the number may be much higher. According to the administration’s numbers, nearly 80 million additional Americans, “a majority” of those on employer-sponsored health plans, may also be out of luck.

“It is projected that more group health plans will transition to the requirements under the regulations as time goes on,” DOJ lawyers wrote in response to court challenge to the law’s requirement that insurance plans provide coverage of contraception. “Defendants have estimated that a majority of group health plans will have lost their grandfather status by the end 2013.”

The DOJ cites the June 17, 2010, edition of the Federal Register, which acknowledges that within the first year of Obamacare’s employer mandate, the insurance plans offered by many employers will be canceled because their policies will not be grandfathered under the administration’s regulations. ”The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small-employer plans and 45 percent of large-employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” the Register says. “The low-end estimates are for 49 percent and 34 percent of small and large-employer plans, respectively, to have relinquished grandfather status, and the high-end estimates are 80 percent and 64 percent, respectively.”

The DOJ’s admission suggests the president’s promise that if you like your plan, you can keep it may ring hollow for far more Americans than the administration has let on.
 

Steve

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Of course, the Obamacare plan was primarily designed to decrease the number of uninsured Americans and reduce healthcare costs.

Experts are saying it will have the exact opposite effect. In fact, it's estimated that Obamacare will cost the average taxpayer nearly $6,000 in extra taxes as early as next year.

A McKinsey report now estimates Obamacare will cost taxpayers at least an additional $400 billion more than originally proposed.

And another study done by the Congressional Budget Office estimates that Obamacare won't actually expand coverage and that the number of uninsured under Obamacare won't ever fall below 30 million.

Perhaps worse than anything, is that millions of Americans will now lose their full-time jobs.

That's a big reason why close to two-thirds of the country do not approve of Obamacare, according to recent polls.

that about sums it up...
 
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