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BASTROP TX OBAMA DECLARES MAJOR DISASTER, PERRY A NO SHOW

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hypocritexposer said:
Trinity man said:
hypocritexposer said:
If Texas cut the spending in May, would that not be for next year? Funding had already been allocated for this year.

No our year starts Sept 1. The state meets every 2 years to set the budget for the next two years. So this problem is just starting and the state has already burn over 3 million ac. so far this year. La Nina is coming back again now so it not going to get any better for us this winter either,


so the cuts only took effect at the beginning of Sept? Have they already used up what they were allocated since then?

I'm sorry, but the budget cuts are not affecting how this fire is being fought. they may affect future emergencies, but no this one.


Yes over the labor day weekend we had over 300 fires burning around the state and with deer season coming its really going to get bad. We have fire fighter from AK, SC, and CA fighting fire here now. Our poor guys have never deal with fire like these.
 
Trinity man said:
hypocritexposer said:
Trinity man said:
No our year starts Sept 1. The state meets every 2 years to set the budget for the next two years. So this problem is just starting and the state has already burn over 3 million ac. so far this year. La Nina is coming back again now so it not going to get any better for us this winter either,


so the cuts only took effect at the beginning of Sept? Have they already used up what they were allocated since then?

I'm sorry, but the budget cuts are not affecting how this fire is being fought. they may affect future emergencies, but no this one.


Yes over the labor day weekend we had over 300 fires burning around the state and with deer season coming its really going to get bad. We have fire fighter from AK, SC, and CA fighting fire here now. Our poor guys have never deal with fire like these.


So it's a case of the Forest Service maybe needing more money later in the budgetary period, but at present, they have only begun to spend whatever amount was allocated to them?
 
hypocritexposer said:
Trinity man said:
Oldtimer said:
Yep- my sister lives in the Austin area- and is the conservative of conservatives-- and she doesn't trust him... Said he has spent too much time/tax money trying to build his own little Kingdom and get all his cronies (yes men) into office so he can get things like his super hiway thru without anyone being able to oppose him...
Usually me and her don't agree on everything- but on Perry we do...He's not what this country needs....


If it was him or Obama I would vote for him just to get him out of Texas. When I would just pray Washington could keep him under control.


He does seem to be an opportunist, as I mentioned previously, but it appears that some on here are also opportunists.

Using the wildfires to take shots at the Tea Party or Perry is just partisan politics.

This situation could have happened in any state and the circumstances are very similiar in many.

I thought that was the point of the discussion.


Our tea party here in Madison Co. don't think much of him either. They are behind Romney.
 
hypocritexposer said:
Trinity man said:
hypocritexposer said:
so the cuts only took effect at the beginning of Sept? Have they already used up what they were allocated since then?

I'm sorry, but the budget cuts are not affecting how this fire is being fought. they may affect future emergencies, but no this one.


Yes over the labor day weekend we had over 300 fires burning around the state and with deer season coming its really going to get bad. We have fire fighter from AK, SC, and CA fighting fire here now. Our poor guys have never deal with fire like these.


So it's a case of the Forest Service maybe needing more money later in the budgetary period, but at present, they have only begun to spend whatever amount was allocated to them?


They are also looking to the future. Deer Season will bring city slickers out and they will have camp fire to talk about the big bucks that got away and leave the fire to burnning. It happens every year burn ban or not. With this year being dry from the start it want take much to make a camp a woods burner. Like I said earlier La Nina they said is coming back so no help from the weather.
 
Trinity man said:
hypocritexposer said:
Trinity man said:
Yes over the labor day weekend we had over 300 fires burning around the state and with deer season coming its really going to get bad. We have fire fighter from AK, SC, and CA fighting fire here now. Our poor guys have never deal with fire like these.


So it's a case of the Forest Service maybe needing more money later in the budgetary period, but at present, they have only begun to spend whatever amount was allocated to them?


They are also looking to the future. Deer Season will bring city slickers out and they will have camp fire to talk about the big bucks that got away and leave the fire to burnning. It happens every year burn ban or not. With this year being dry from the start it want take much to make a camp a woods burner. Like I said earlier La Nina they said is coming back so no help from the weather.

Yep the meteorologists just announced La Nina will probably be as strong or stronger than last year- which gave you the drought and us the Winter from Hell- record snowfall- and record spring rains and record flooding.. :(

Up here when we get a bad fire danger year-- the Governor on some occasions has totally closed hunting season until it rains or conditions change....It doesn't go over well with the out of staters- and is a negative economic impact on the state-- but a lot better and cheaper than the state burning up.....
 
Natural Disasters is a good reason to have emergency funds. Why allocate all resources out to different agencies' budgets? Why not have one accessible "slush" fund, so it can be directed wherever it is needed, when needed?

If you allocate it to agencies it will be spent and the same amount will be requested/expected next year. Agencies tend to waste much of it, in unneeded administration etc. in hopes of being able to request the same amount year after year.

There's nothing wrong with "saving for a rainy day"
 
Oldtimer said:
Yep- my sister lives in the Austin area- and is the conservative of conservatives-- and she doesn't trust him...
Usually me and her don't agree on everything- but on Perry we do...He's not what this country needs....

And Obama IS what this country needs?

Coming from the snuff splattered lips of Methuselah, and considering who he gets on his knees for now, this sounds like a ringing endorsement for Perry.
 
TRinity wrote:
Thats not what the Fort Worth Star Telegram is reporting.

You might need to consider the source. The Ft. Worth Star Telegram is owned by "McClatchy" newspapers, the most liberal rags in the country. They have an agenda and it's not conservative by any means.

All of these liberal newspapers are fudging the budget numbers and can't even get together on what are the correct figures............................ :roll:

Straight From The Horses Mouth:
And in that special legislative session, two separate bills were passed which increased forest service/wildfire fighting and prevention funding: SB2, which added an additional $40 million to the forest service for FY 2012 specifically to fight wildfires (with any rollover, of which I'm pretty sure there will be none, to be carried into 2013), and HD4, which allocated an additional $81 million for fighting wildfires in the 2012-2013 biennium. (This is most likely where A&M got the $81 million figure for.) All those bills (and thus the funding increase) were passed and in the books months before the FY2012 budget started on September 1.

So, in summary:
Total 2010-2011 Biennium Forest Service/Wildfire Fighting Budget: $109 million.
Total 2012-2013 Biennium Forest Service/Wildfire Fighting Budget: $196.2 million.

So the Texas legislature authorized, and Governor Rick Perry signed, an 80% increase in wildfire fighting and prevention funding for the 2012-2013 biennium, which started a few days ago.......Sept. 1.
 
OT wrote:
Yep- my sister lives in the Austin area- and is the conservative of conservatives-- and she doesn't trust him...
Usually me and her don't agree on everything- but on Perry we do...He's not what this country needs....

By all means this settles all the arguments for or against Perry. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

WHAT A DEBATER YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just got a vision of "Dumb And Dumber". :roll: :roll:
 
Mike said:
OT wrote:
Yep- my sister lives in the Austin area- and is the conservative of conservatives-- and she doesn't trust him...
Usually me and her don't agree on everything- but on Perry we do...He's not what this country needs....

By all means this settles all the arguments for or against Perry. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

WHAT A DEBATER YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just got a vision of "Dumb And Dumber". :roll: :roll:

Never heard of a conservative living in Austin, let alone one moving into Austin.
 
Perry a No-Show at Texas Wildfire Press Conference

by Kate Galbraith and Jay Root 9/10/2011

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-people/rick-perry/perry-no-show-texas-wildfire-press-conference/


Dispute Continues Between Texas, Feds on Fire Help

by Kate Galbraith

Did the federal government drag its feet in providing disaster relief to the victims of the devastating Bastrop County fires? It depends on whom you ask. State officials say they began petitioning for assistance early last week. Federal officials say the state did not request specific assistance for those who lost their homes in Bastrop until Friday — and then it was promptly granted.

The dustup is the latest in a dispute between Texas officials, including Gov. Rick Perry, and the Obama administration that began in April when Perry submitted a broad request that 252 of Texas' 254 counties be given a Major Disaster Declaration because of large wildfires burning throughout the state. The federal government denied that request, which Perry appealed; in July, the federal government granted the request for 45 counties.

Nearly 1,400 homes were lost in the Bastrop blaze that began Sept. 4, making it by far the most destructive fire in Texas history. Officials today said that 22 people were unaccounted for, in addition to two who died.

At a press conference in fire-weary Bastrop Sunday, Congressman Lloyd Doggett, D-Austin, said that there had been "a little misinformation" about the timing of Texas' request to the federal government for emergency relief.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), Doggett said, had received an emergency request early Friday afternoon — and President Obama approved the request the same evening. FEMA, reached Sunday, confirmed that the request for aid to individual Bastrop fire victims was both received and granted on Friday.

But in a statement issued on Friday Gov. Rick Perry decried the lack of federal help while announcing a state voucher program to provide emergency housing to those displaced in Bastrop County.

"Thanks to generous donations to the Texas Disaster Relief Fund, we can provide some basic necessities to Texans whose homes have been destroyed due to these merciless fires in the absence of federal aid," Perry's statement read. "We continue to be hopeful that President Obama will approve the state's request for an extension of our Major Disaster Declaration, and provide housing and other assistance to help those who have lost so much so quickly in these devastating fires."

Texas politicians "seem to have been complaining that they weren't getting a response before they filed the formal application," Doggett, reached by phone in Bastrop, said after the press conference. Doggett, who represents Bastrop County, said that two of his aides live in areas affected by the wildfires.

The confusion seems to be over what exactly the state requested. In separate letters to the president in the middle of last week, Perry and Dewhurst asked for the federal government to extend its Major Disaster Declaration, as Perry has been requesting since April. But neither letter specifically asked for individual assistance to people displaced by the Bastrop fires, which requires a different designation.

Dewhurst's letter Wednesday asked for the July disaster declaration to be broadened to "cover all fires beginning March 1" and covering 252 of the state's 254 counties. Dewhurst also wrote, "Texas' needs are too urgent for further delay. At a very minimum...we urge you to at least grant a Major Disaster Declaration covering the fires that began Labor Day weekend, and those risks and losses that we will inevitably continue to face in the weeks and months to come."

Mike Walz, a spokesman for Dewhurst, said this was an "official request" for a "statewide major disaster declaration."

FEMA said that the letter it received from Texas Wednesday constituted a request to extend the timeframe of the broad disaster declaration that President Obama had approved in July. That request covered issues like debris removal and road repair for a number of Texas counties, but not Bastrop County (the fires that began ravaging it Sept. 4 had not yet occurred, of course). The Major Disaster Declaration also did not include aid to individuals, unlike the Friday request.

Perry, in his letter to Obama on Thursday, said, "I urge you to grant the Major Disaster Declaration I have repeatedly requested since April (and which Lieutenant Governor David Dewhurst requested again on my behalf yesterday)."

Perry, who cut short a campaign swing to visit Bastrop early last week, was in California most or all of Wednesday, preparing for the debate that night between Republican presidential candidates. He spoke by telephone with President Obama on Wednesday about the fires.

Allison Castle, a spokeswoman for the governor, said: "Gov. Perry made the formal request to President Obama on Wednesday and Lt. Gov. Dewhurst sent [a] letter on the Governor's behalf requesting the declaration on Wednesday as well. We are pleased that the declaration has been granted and the residents of Bastrop County can get the assistance they need."

U.S. Sens. John Cornyn (R) and Kay Bailey Hutchison (R), also each wrote to the president on Wednesday or Thursday urging expeditious approval of emergency assistance for Texas due to the wildfires.

Doggett noted that Dewhurst's Wednesday letter did not mention Bastrop County by name, even though, he said, Bastrop County judge Ronnie McDonald had asked the state for a major disaster declaration on Sunday night.

"I do find it troubling," Doggett said, that Texas did not submit Bastrop paperwork until Friday. Texas officials, he said, "apparently were still fighting an old war with the administration, instead of going forward and making a request for Bastrop county, which clearly had a unique and incredible tragedy, and then creating the suggestion there that the federal government was not being responsive."

FEMA had said as early as last Sunday, when the fire broke out, that it would cover up to 75 percent of firefighting costs, according to Doggett. The aid granted Friday will help Bastrop County residents find temporary shelter and repair their homes.

As to why Dewhurst had not requested aid specifically for Bastrop County earlier, Walz pointed to a passage in a Friday followup letter from Dewhurst to Obama, which said: "Because most of these fires are still burning, it has not been possible to even begin, muchless complete, preliminary damage assessments in most of these areas. Accordingly, it is not possible to provide detailed damage information for most of these areas at this time."

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-state-agencies/governors-office/doggett-texas-late-seeking-federal-bastrop-aid/
 
In other words....someone forgot to dot an "I" or cross a "t" so that was good reason for Buckwheat to delay doing anything. Seems to be a pattern here.
 

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