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Whitewing

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Beware extremists in the U.S.

Janet Napolitano was right.
Five years ago, the office of the then-secretary of the Department of Homeland Security released an assessment on right-wing extremism titled "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment." Under key findings, the report said DHS "has no specific information that domestic right-wing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, but right-wing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent issues." The election of the nation's first African American president and the economic downturn were cited as "unique drivers for right-wing radicalization and recruitment."

Critics pounced on a footnote that defined right-wing extremism as "those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial, or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."

Unfortunately, much of the value of the advisory was lost in a political debate over that definition and the propriety of a warning that troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan were at risk of terror recruitment. Timothy McVeigh, the Gulf War veteran convicted of killing 168 people in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, was cited as an example. Veterans' groups and members of Congress were angry, and Napolitano said she meant no disrespect to the military and wished the footnote had been written differently.


Sadly, the assessment was prescient.
In 2012, a white supremacist who had served in the military killed six at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin. In April, a white supremacist was accused of killing three people outside two Jewish facilities in Kansas. Now we have the married couple who assassinated two cops and a Walmart customer last weekend in Las Vegas. The two shot the officers while they were seated in a pizza parlor and then left behind a Gadsden ("Don't Tread on Me") flag and a Nazi swastika. A police spokesman said last week: "We believe that they equate government and law enforcement . . . with Nazis. . . . In other words, they believe that law enforcement is the oppressor."

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Can't you just see his eyes rolling back in his head and his fat little toes curling? :lol:
 

Steve

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none of these deaths and tragedies should be minimized..

if we encounter a real nut job,.. and that person seems to be armed and on drugs or worse.. filled with hatred..

we should do like the Bundy's did,.. tell them to leave...

but go one step further.. report them to the authorities..

not wild accusations.. just the real "actual" concerns..

take the authorities name and document the time of the conversation..

while having a gun and an opinion is a right it is also a responsibility..

when that opinion is hate-filled and blind to reason and is backed up by the person having guns around all the time.. it should be taken seriously..

and G_d,.. forgive if the person is on drugs like those two.. it can soon be deadly.. (especially if they are methheads. )

A person who gets drunk and goes on rants can be dangerous with out a gun,.. but tragically deadly with one.. especially if the are filled with hate and blinded to reason..
 
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Steve said:
none of these deaths and tragedies should be minimized..

if we encounter a real nut job,.. and that person seems to be armed and on drugs or worse.. filled with hatred..

we should do like the Bundy's did,.. tell them to leave...

but go one step further.. report them to the authorities..

not wild accusations.. just the real "actual" concerns..

take the authorities name and document the time of the conversation..

while having a gun and an opinion is a right it is also a responsibility..

when that opinion is hate-filled and blind to reason and is backed up by the person having guns around all the time.. it should be taken seriously..

and G_d,.. forgive if the person is on drugs like those two.. it can soon be deadly.. (especially if they are methheads. )

A person who gets drunk and goes on rants can be dangerous with out a gun,.. but tragically deadly with one.. especially if the are filled with hate and blinded to reason..

AMEN- Exactly what I have been saying... If the Bundy bunch knew (as they have claimed) that fella was a felon illegally possessing firearms - he should have been reported (I'm sure they would have no problem finding an interested law officer in the area :roll: )... Two Las Vegas policemen and one good citizen may still be alive if they had....

But watch out Steve- most of this group have been brought up to believe when you report someone like this- you are considered a "snitch" - (a term I thought only existed amongst the criminal world and grade school kids until I ran into this bunch)....
 

Mike

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Somebody should have "snitched" on Obama's buddies Bill & Bernadine before policemen were killed too............................ :roll:

William Charles "Bill" Ayers (born December 26, 1944)[1] is an American elementary education theorist and a former leader in the counterculture movement that opposed U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. He is known for his 1960s radical activism as well as his current work in education reform, curriculum, and instruction. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-described communist revolutionary group[2] that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings (including police stations, the U.S. Capitol Building, and the Pentagon) during the 1960s and 1970s in response to U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.
 

hopalong

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isn't snitch the same as dropping a dime like you do oldtimer????


\1snitch
noun \ˈsnich\

: a person who tells someone in authority (such as the police or a teacher) about something wrong that someone has done : someone who snitches

Synonyms betrayer, canary [slang], deep throat, fink, informant, nark [British], rat, rat fink, informer, snitcher, squealer, stoolie, stool pigeon, talebearer, tattler, tattletale, telltale, whistle-blower

any fit you oldtimer????? :wink: :wink:
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
none of these deaths and tragedies should be minimized..

if we encounter a real nut job,.. and that person seems to be armed and on drugs or worse.. filled with hatred..

we should do like the Bundy's did,.. tell them to leave...

but go one step further.. report them to the authorities..

not wild accusations.. just the real "actual" concerns..

take the authorities name and document the time of the conversation..

while having a gun and an opinion is a right it is also a responsibility..

when that opinion is hate-filled and blind to reason and is backed up by the person having guns around all the time.. it should be taken seriously..

and G_d,.. forgive if the person is on drugs like those two.. it can soon be deadly.. (especially if they are methheads. )

A person who gets drunk and goes on rants can be dangerous with out a gun,.. but tragically deadly with one.. especially if the are filled with hate and blinded to reason..

AMEN- Exactly what I have been saying... If the Bundy bunch knew (as they have claimed) that fella was a felon illegally possessing firearms - he should have been reported (I'm sure they would have no problem finding an interested law officer in the area :roll: )... Two Las Vegas policemen and one good citizen may still be alive if they had....

But watch out Steve- most of this group have been brought up to believe when you report someone like this- you are considered a "snitch" - (a term I thought only existed amongst the criminal world and grade school kids until I ran into this bunch)....

I have not seen anywhere where they have claimed to know the guy was a felon ,.. let alone illegally possessing a gun,...

all I have read is they thought he was to radical and wanted him to leave..
 
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Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
none of these deaths and tragedies should be minimized..

if we encounter a real nut job,.. and that person seems to be armed and on drugs or worse.. filled with hatred..

we should do like the Bundy's did,.. tell them to leave...

but go one step further.. report them to the authorities..

not wild accusations.. just the real "actual" concerns..

take the authorities name and document the time of the conversation..

while having a gun and an opinion is a right it is also a responsibility..

when that opinion is hate-filled and blind to reason and is backed up by the person having guns around all the time.. it should be taken seriously..

and G_d,.. forgive if the person is on drugs like those two.. it can soon be deadly.. (especially if they are methheads. )

A person who gets drunk and goes on rants can be dangerous with out a gun,.. but tragically deadly with one.. especially if the are filled with hate and blinded to reason..

AMEN- Exactly what I have been saying... If the Bundy bunch knew (as they have claimed) that fella was a felon illegally possessing firearms - he should have been reported (I'm sure they would have no problem finding an interested law officer in the area :roll: )... Two Las Vegas policemen and one good citizen may still be alive if they had....

But watch out Steve- most of this group have been brought up to believe when you report someone like this- you are considered a "snitch" - (a term I thought only existed amongst the criminal world and grade school kids until I ran into this bunch)....

I have not seen anywhere where they have claimed to know the guy was a felon ,.. let alone illegally possessing a gun,...

all I have read is they thought he was to radical and wanted him to leave..

Some of the articles have statements from some of the other Bundy bunch militia folks stating that as a reason- and that they even gave him money to get him down the road and out of there ... But probably the best is Millers own statement on his Google+ account:

"I was out there but they told me and my wife to leave because I am a felon. They don't seem to understand that they are all felons now for intimidating law enforcement with deadly weapons. So don't tell you that they need people. We sold everything we had to buy supplies and quit our jobs to be there 24/7. How dare you ask for help and shun us dedicated patriots!"

and this article:

The Bundy Affair - Vetting the Millers

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By Gary Hunt June 11, 2014 | Comments| Print friendly | Subscribe


(Revised June 10, 2014)

Note: In the first article, I explained that all of the parties had not yet been contacted. The article went to press because the efforts of Mainstream Media to tie the Millers to the Bundy Ranch had to be addressed, as early as possible. Though I seldom put out a story until all of the necessary research is completed, this was an exception. What follows is the same story as the first, though with corrections and clarifications, based upon input by the other parties that chose to provide what insight they had into the event.

The shootings that occurred in Las Vegas, on Sunday, June 8, 2014, were initiated by Jerad (age 31) and his wife, Amanda (age 22) Miller. There has been speculation of ties between the Millers and the Operation Mutual Aid support of the Bundy family and ranch. This is to set the record straight.



The Millers arrived at Bunkerville between April 12 and 14, though were never admitted to the ranch property or the operational militia base until the following events occurred. After a few days, questions were raised by other participants about the Millers. These questions were brought to the attention of Jerry DeLemus, Ryan Payne, and head of security on the Bundy Ranch, Booda. They were then brought to the area of the ranch and were interrogated by Jerry DeLemus, Ryan Payne, and Booda

Jerad Miller admitted that he was a convicted felon. The had a model 1911, 0.45-caliber handgun and a shotgun. The interrogation was conducted based upon reports from other participants regarding the aggressive nature of the couple and the apparent volatility displayed by Jerad.

This first interrogation resulted in a subsequent meeting between DeLemus, Payne and Stobel, as well as Stewart Rhodes and Mike Vanderboegh. The initial assessment was that they were not of the caliber of people needed to provide for the defense of the Bundy family and property. They were first directed to go to Mesquite and report on what was occurring there. Because of their disheveled appearance, Rhodes gave them “a couple hundred dollars” so that they could get a motel room, shower, and some new clothes, because they claimed that, they had given up jobs, their home, and were wearing the only clothes they possessed.



Prior to their leaving for Mesquite, it was determined that there might be a problem if they appeared to be working with the operation, and armed, so Miller’s gun was put in a tent.

As the discussion continued, the realization that there could be more serious consequences if the Millers were associated with the operation, it was decided that they should be asked to leave the ‘jurisdiction’ of the operation. Miller’s gun was given to Amanda, as she was not a felon, and they were told to leave the area. The operation was properly focused on defense of property and people, and did not have any facility, obligation, or right, to do other than what they did.

The Millers were sent on their way. Never were the Bundys apprised of this situation. It was dealt with by the shared command of the militia contingent that had evolved through the progression of the operation.


What subsequently developed is quite unfortunate. However, the rapidly unfolding of events at the ranch did not diminish the necessity of proper vetting of participants.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/site/article/the-bundy-affair-vetting-the-millers

I still say if those folks knew Miller was a convicted felon- and possessed firearms - and was so unstable they did not want to be around him- they possibly could have kept 3 individuals from being killed just by doing what a good citizen should do and walked across the line to where 100's of law enforcement officers were and told them their concerns....

I hope these militia folks realize the responsibility they took by following the "omerta' type rule of these extremist groups- and now realize what their inaction resulted in ... :(

But when you have "militia"/"patriots"(?) that have as a hero someone that proposes that the women and children should be put in the front line in case the shooting starts :roll: then I don't really expect sane or common sense in their actions...
 

Whitewing

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ranch hand said:
OT you are not worth responding to. You just try to stir up s*** and hope it stinks.

For me, it's interesting to watch his posting habits though.

Remember, he's a highly-trained law enforcement officer with decades of experience, and he's really concerned. To listen to him, and see the types of articles he posts, you'd swear tea partiers, and a few anti-government kooks who hang out on their fringe, are a grave threat to the country.

Meanwhile, Washington DC politicians (who he worships) have now completely abandoned the country's borders allowing hoardes of illegal aliens to enter the country. Not only are these illegals putting an ever-increasing burden on virtually every service offered by state, local, and federal authorities, many of them are hardened criminals capable of crimes most Americans can hardly imagine.

But OT, that highly-trained law enforcement officer with decades of experience in that crime-infested hellhole known as Valley County Montana? Not a word about it. Why?

Well, I'll speak clearly here on my views. Though the old man has demonstrated to us repeatedly that he can be a complete idiot times, even OT knows that's what's happening on our borders today spells the end of the country as we know it. That can only mean that he's in agreement with what's going on. I know why. Those hoardes of illegals will do their part to tilt future national elections in a direction that OT favors. They'll also break the backs of state and local agencies who will have no choice but to turn to the feds to deal with it all.

And federal government power is the only thing that gives OT a hard-on at this stage in his miserable life.
 

Soapweed

Well-known member
Whitewing said:
ranch hand said:
OT you are not worth responding to. You just try to stir up s*** and hope it stinks.

For me, it's interesting to watch his posting habits though.

Remember, he's a highly-trained law enforcement officer with decades of experience, and he's really concerned. To listen to him, and see the types of articles he posts, you'd swear tea partiers, and a few anti-government kooks who hang out on their fringe, are a grave threat to the country.

Meanwhile, Washington DC politicians (who he worships) have now completely abandoned the country's borders allowing hoardes of illegal aliens to enter the country. Not only are these illegals putting an ever-increasing burden on virtually every service offered by state, local, and federal authorities, many of them are hardened criminals capable of crimes most Americans can hardly imagine.

But OT, that highly-trained law enforcement officer with decades of experience in that crime-infested hellhole known as Valley County Montana? Not a word about it. Why?

Well, I'll speak clearly here on my views. Though the old man has demonstrated to us repeatedly that he can be a complete idiot times, even OT knows that's what's happening on our borders today spells the end of the country as we know it. That can only mean that he's in agreement with what's going on. I know why. Those hoardes of illegals will do their part to tilt future national elections in a direction that OT favors. They'll also break the backs of state and local agencies who will have no choice but to turn to the feds to deal with it all.

And federal government power is the only thing that gives OT a hard-on at this stage in his miserable life.

Sometimes it is hard to see the forest for the trees. Whitewing, from your distant vantage point, you can clearly see the whole forest, and you have the situation very well pegged.
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Soapweed said:
Whitewing said:
ranch hand said:
OT you are not worth responding to. You just try to stir up s*** and hope it stinks.

For me, it's interesting to watch his posting habits though.

Remember, he's a highly-trained law enforcement officer with decades of experience, and he's really concerned. To listen to him, and see the types of articles he posts, you'd swear tea partiers, and a few anti-government kooks who hang out on their fringe, are a grave threat to the country.

Meanwhile, Washington DC politicians (who he worships) have now completely abandoned the country's borders allowing hoardes of illegal aliens to enter the country. Not only are these illegals putting an ever-increasing burden on virtually every service offered by state, local, and federal authorities, many of them are hardened criminals capable of crimes most Americans can hardly imagine.

But OT, that highly-trained law enforcement officer with decades of experience in that crime-infested hellhole known as Valley County Montana? Not a word about it. Why?

Well, I'll speak clearly here on my views. Though the old man has demonstrated to us repeatedly that he can be a complete idiot times, even OT knows that's what's happening on our borders today spells the end of the country as we know it. That can only mean that he's in agreement with what's going on. I know why. Those hoardes of illegals will do their part to tilt future national elections in a direction that OT favors. They'll also break the backs of state and local agencies who will have no choice but to turn to the feds to deal with it all.

And federal government power is the only thing that gives OT a hard-on at this stage in his miserable life.

Sometimes it is hard to see the forest for the trees. Whitewing, from your distant vantage point, you can clearly see the whole forest, and you have the situation very well pegged.

Soap, while I wish I could lay claim to some special insight on the subject, I can't other than having lived and worked amongst Latinos in both Mexico and Venezuela for many years.

Here are my personal observations summed up in a few sentences: Latinos generally see little problem in empowering government with control over their lives. The average Venezuelan for example is perfectly happy if he's got something to eat today. Tomorrow is tomorrow's problem. This is why socialism has such a sweet sound to the average Venezuelan....and most other Latinos too. Why bust one's tail working if one doesn't have to do so? Latinos generally don't trust (they actually fear) law enforcement as law enforcement officers are generally corrupt in most latin countries. You can imagine how hard this makes solving crimes. Petty break-ins and robberies are rarely even investigated by the police. Most murders are simply chalked up to....a settlement of accounts and forgotten.

This is what's coming to America slowly but surely.

There was a time in America where immigrants were encouraged to learn English, get a job, adapt to our customs, and participate in what had made America great. That is no longer the case and everyone sees it, everyone knows it.

Immigrants today enter the country not to seek the American dream, but instead to live off the American gravytrain and politicians in Washington DC are doing everything possible to position themselves to benefit from the new American way.

It's sad to see it happen. I'm glad I'll be dead before the takeover is complete.
 

Traveler

Well-known member
Whitewing said:
Soapweed said:
Whitewing said:
For me, it's interesting to watch his posting habits though.

Remember, he's a highly-trained law enforcement officer with decades of experience, and he's really concerned. To listen to him, and see the types of articles he posts, you'd swear tea partiers, and a few anti-government kooks who hang out on their fringe, are a grave threat to the country.

Meanwhile, Washington DC politicians (who he worships) have now completely abandoned the country's borders allowing hoardes of illegal aliens to enter the country. Not only are these illegals putting an ever-increasing burden on virtually every service offered by state, local, and federal authorities, many of them are hardened criminals capable of crimes most Americans can hardly imagine.

But OT, that highly-trained law enforcement officer with decades of experience in that crime-infested hellhole known as Valley County Montana? Not a word about it. Why?

Well, I'll speak clearly here on my views. Though the old man has demonstrated to us repeatedly that he can be a complete idiot times, even OT knows that's what's happening on our borders today spells the end of the country as we know it. That can only mean that he's in agreement with what's going on. I know why. Those hoardes of illegals will do their part to tilt future national elections in a direction that OT favors. They'll also break the backs of state and local agencies who will have no choice but to turn to the feds to deal with it all.

And federal government power is the only thing that gives OT a hard-on at this stage in his miserable life.

Sometimes it is hard to see the forest for the trees. Whitewing, from your distant vantage point, you can clearly see the whole forest, and you have the situation very well pegged.

Soap, while I wish I could lay claim to some special insight on the subject, I can't other than having lived and worked amongst Latinos in both Mexico and Venezuela for many years.

Here are my personal observations summed up in a few sentences: Latinos generally see little problem in empowering government with control over their lives. The average Venezuelan for example is perfectly happy if he's got something to eat today. Tomorrow is tomorrow's problem. This is why socialism has such a sweet sound to the average Venezuelan....and most other Latinos too. Why bust one's tail working if one doesn't have to do so? Latinos generally don't trust (they actually fear) law enforcement as law enforcement officers are generally corrupt in most latin countries. You can imagine how hard this makes solving crimes. Petty break-ins and robberies are rarely even investigated by the police. Most murders are simply chalked up to....a settlement of accounts and forgotten.

This is what's coming to America slowly but surely.

There was a time in America where immigrants were encouraged to learn English, get a job, adapt to our customs, and participate in what had made America great. That is no longer the case and everyone sees it, everyone knows it.

Immigrants today enter the country not to seek the American dream, but instead to live off the American gravytrain and politicians in Washington DC are doing everything possible to position themselves to benefit from the new American way.

It's sad to see it happen. I'm glad I'll be dead before the takeover is complete.
Just the latest of some very insightful summaries and predictions. Unless you've got something terminal, the takeover may escalate quicker than anyone can imagine. Just depends if enough US voters pull their head out or not, or if there are enough left not on the dole, or more that can't wait to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Traveler said:
Whitewing said:
Soapweed said:
Sometimes it is hard to see the forest for the trees. Whitewing, from your distant vantage point, you can clearly see the whole forest, and you have the situation very well pegged.

Soap, while I wish I could lay claim to some special insight on the subject, I can't other than having lived and worked amongst Latinos in both Mexico and Venezuela for many years.

Here are my personal observations summed up in a few sentences: Latinos generally see little problem in empowering government with control over their lives. The average Venezuelan for example is perfectly happy if he's got something to eat today. Tomorrow is tomorrow's problem. This is why socialism has such a sweet sound to the average Venezuelan....and most other Latinos too. Why bust one's tail working if one doesn't have to do so? Latinos generally don't trust (they actually fear) law enforcement as law enforcement officers are generally corrupt in most latin countries. You can imagine how hard this makes solving crimes. Petty break-ins and robberies are rarely even investigated by the police. Most murders are simply chalked up to....a settlement of accounts and forgotten.

This is what's coming to America slowly but surely.

There was a time in America where immigrants were encouraged to learn English, get a job, adapt to our customs, and participate in what had made America great. That is no longer the case and everyone sees it, everyone knows it.

Immigrants today enter the country not to seek the American dream, but instead to live off the American gravytrain and politicians in Washington DC are doing everything possible to position themselves to benefit from the new American way.

It's sad to see it happen. I'm glad I'll be dead before the takeover is complete.
Just the latest of some very insightful summaries and predictions. Unless you've got something terminal, the takeover may escalate quicker than anyone can imagine. Just depends if enough US voters pull their head out or not, or if there are enough left not on the dole, or more that can't wait to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

If ever there was a bellwether election in my lifetime, it was the last one.

After four years of a complete and utter failure of a man as president, a man exposed to be the intellectual lightweight most of us knew he was, a man completely out of his element as a leader of men and a man who proved repeatedly he was a divider, not a uniter, he was relected nonetheless. That despite being given the clear choice to elect a decent, hard working, man who had built businesses, created jobs, and served the public successfully over his lifetime in numerous positions. I understood the numbnuts like OT who fell for the Hope & Change bs the first time around as there will always be the weak-minded who will believe almost anything, but a second time?

No, that election in my humble opinion sealed the fate of the American people.

Despite seeing so many posters on so many websites saying things like, "Americans are finally waking up, the tide has turned" etc, I'm afraid that it's over. The numbers no longer favor sanity, no longer favor what made the country great.

Stick a fork in it. It's done.
 
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