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BAXTER BLACK

HAY MAKER

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With your permission I would like to indulge in a little naked patriotism. The United States of America, during my lifetime, has become a nation like none other on earth. Not because it is the most powerful nation on earth, but because we, more times than I can count, have taken the side of the oppressed with no intention to conquer, rule or pillage.

In the act of offering our assistance, we have sacrificed blood, money and lives. We have beat ourselves up. We have questioned our motives. Our leaders have engaged in heated debate about the hows and whys, but we continue to be the single brightest light for the world’s mistreated. We will take on the schoolyard bully.

In spite of all our mistakes, missteps, misjudgments and misgivings, the world today would be a completely different place if our country — conservative, liberal, black, white, rich, poor, north, south, Manhattan NY or Manhattan KS, Americans all — had turned our backs on the injustices and inhumanities that relentlessly stalk the globe.

Supporting the troops and their families on the front lines in the war on terror is not a partisan action. It is an act of pride, compassion, love, concern, anguish and hope. They carry our colors into harm’s way, and have since 1776.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Flag
That flew over Valley Forge
Was torn in two by the gray and the blue
And bled through two world wars.

I give you the flag that burned in the street
In protest, in anger and shame,
The very same flag that covered the men
Who died defending her name.

We now stand together, Americans all,
Either by choice or by birth
To honor the flag that's flown on the moon
And changed the face of the earth.

History will show this flag stood a friend
To the hungry, the homeless and lost
That a mixture of men as common as clay
Valued one thing beyond cost.

And they've signed it in blood from Bunker Hill
To Saigon, Kuwait, Bosnia
Kabul, Baghdad and Toko Ri.
I give you the flag that says to the world

Each man has a right to be free.
 

EastTexasGal

Well-known member
GOD BLESSED AMERICA...therefore, He blessed us all, remember the ones that GAVE!!

Thank you for posting this Haymaker....it is the day to REMEMBER the ONES among us fighting, and the ONES that have left us, That fought for us to be able to be FREE to argue, lie and cheat , but I like to say we are FREE to LOVE, CHERISH, and LAUGH with the ones we love.

Easty
 

Silver

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The United States of America, during my lifetime, has become a nation like none other on earth. Not because it is the most powerful nation on earth, but because we, more times than I can count, have taken the side of the oppressed with no intention to conquer, rule or pillage.

That statement allways irritates me to no end. Do you americans on here actually believe your nation is unique in taking "the side of the oppressed with no intention to conquer, rule or pillage."? I mean, I'm sure OT would believe a statement as ridiculous as this, but how about the rest of you? I don't mean any offence by this, or to diminish what the ole USA has done over the years, just looking for your opinions.
 

Tap

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That statement allways irritates me to no end. Do you americans on here actually believe your nation is unique in taking "the side of the oppressed with no intention to conquer, rule or pillage."? I mean, I'm sure OT would believe a statement as ridiculous as this, but how about the rest of you? I don't mean any offence by this, or to diminish what the ole USA has done over the years, just looking for your opinions.

Heck yes, I believe it. Do you see the stars and stripes hanging instead of the Maple Leaf. No doubt if we wanted to, it could be. And I don't mean that in a demeaning way either. That is one small example.
 

EastTexasGal

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Silver
I don't mean any offence by this, or to diminish what the ole USA has done over the years, just looking for your opinions.

Why make a statement as you did if you did not think Americans would take offense? I think that was a bit uncalled for. I for one have never have said anything against Canada..and would never do that. I have always thought we were 2 countries that worked side by side...I know that right now the Beef issue is hard to get through, but that is not the majority of Americans. Tyranny is the ISSUE today..and being MEMORIAL DAY I do believe that statement was in poor taste to post.

Just again my 2 cents,
Easty
 

Silver

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EastTexasGal said:
Silver
I don't mean any offence by this, or to diminish what the ole USA has done over the years, just looking for your opinions.

Why make a statement as you did if you did not think Americans would take offense? I think that was a bit uncalled for. I for one have never have said anything against Canada..and would never do that. I have always thought we were 2 countries that worked side by side...I know that right now the Beef issue is hard to get through, but that is not the majority of Americans. Tyranny is the ISSUE today..and being MEMORIAL DAY I do believe that statement was in poor taste to post.

Just again my 2 cents,
Easty

Then should I not be equally offended by the statement that the US is "unique" as layed out above? As I said, I in no way mean to diminish the acomplishments of the good ole USA, I'm just trying to point out that your not alone in your endeavours. However if you all believe it to be true then carry on with yourselves.
For the record. I as a Canadian would like to extend a thankyou to the American servicemen who have answered their nations call, their efforts have indeed helped to make the world a better place.

And Tap, I'd have I would have expected a lot more intelligent response from you.
 

HAY MAKER

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Silver said:
EastTexasGal said:
Silver
I don't mean any offence by this, or to diminish what the ole USA has done over the years, just looking for your opinions.

Why make a statement as you did if you did not think Americans would take offense? I think that was a bit uncalled for. I for one have never have said anything against Canada..and would never do that. I have always thought we were 2 countries that worked side by side...I know that right now the Beef issue is hard to get through, but that is not the majority of Americans. Tyranny is the ISSUE today..and being MEMORIAL DAY I do believe that statement was in poor taste to post.

Just again my 2 cents,
Easty

Then should I not be equally offended by the statement that the US is "unique" as layed out above? As I said, I in no way mean to diminish the acomplishments of the good ole USA, I'm just trying to point out that your not alone in your endeavours. However if you all believe it to be true then carry on with yourselves.
For the record. I as a Canadian would like to extend a thankyou to the American servicemen who have answered their nations call, their efforts have indeed helped to make the world a better place.

And Tap, I'd have I would have expected a lot more intelligent response from you.

And I from you,some how I get the feeling you consider yourself intelligent.
There is a big differnce between intelligence and educated,you just proved that.
Some of us are humbly respecting our fallen on Memorial Day,please refrain from anti Americanism.
 

Tap

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Silver, I honestly think the quote you mentioned is very accurate. There is not one example of a country the US has had troops in, that we have taken the country over as our own.

I am not against legal immigration, but if we are going to have all the Mexicans coming in illegally thru our borders, maybe we should take over Mexico as our own, so they don't have such a reason to come north. :???:

Don't think I have anything against Canada.
 

Ranchy

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Yep, I think we're unique. There's not another US of A anywhere on earth! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously, though.........our country has a few problems, but the good outweighs the bad so much, that you kinda have to overlook the bad sometimes. I'd much rather be living here, than, say...........Mexico? I just use that as an example, because we're nearer it than any other foreign country. I think we actually have it pretty good here. :)

And thanks for posting that article from Bax, HayMaker! I remember reading it not long ago, in the Livestock Weekly.........Gotta love Bax! :D
 

EastTexasGal

Well-known member
Then should I not be equally offended by the statement that the US is "unique" as layed out above?

I would like to say UNIQUE in more ways than one. If we are not unique? why do so many Aliens want to live here? why do we need to defend our borders and our country? WE HAVE what so many want? could that be it possibly?? I understand that what you are using as UNIQUE is not referring to what I put above, but it all connects. WE HAVE ALWAYS HELPED when another country has been under TYRANNY! Politics is a 2 headed coin...not always the winning part either.

I will just say this again Silver...it was in poor taste to post that on here on MEMORIAL DAY! We are proud of our Country just as you are yours, and if we want things to work out, then we need to be more compassionate towards each other. Actions speak louder than words is what we have been taught, although the "words" can cause actions that later are regretted.

Easty
 

Soapweed

Well-known member
Here are some pertinent thoughts from a Canadian, Gordon Sinclair, given over thirty years ago. They still apply today.

The Americans
Gordon Sinclair
Radio Station CFBR 1010
2 St. Clair Avenue West
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

"LET'S BE PERSONAL"
Broadcast June 5, 1973
CFRB, Toronto, Ontario
Topic: "The Americans"


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The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth.

As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.

I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.

Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.

When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.

Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.

I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.

This year's disasters .. with the year less than half-over… has taken it all and nobody...but nobody... has helped.

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ORIGINAL SCRIPT
COURTESY STANDARD BROADCASTING CORPORATION LTD.
(c) 1973 BY GORDON SINCLAIR
PUBLISHED BY STAR QUALITY MUSIC (SOCAN)
A DIVISION OF UNIDISC MUSIC INC.
578 HYMUS BOULEVARD
POINTE-CLAIRE, QUEBEC,
CANADA, H9R 4T2
 

Hanta Yo

Well-known member
I remember that, AWESOME!! Thanks for posting, I doubt people like DIS would believe that. Find some fallacy in it. Whatever.

Thanks again, Soapweed. 8)
 

Silver

Well-known member
Boy, some of you guys just spoil for a fight. :roll:
The question agian for those of you a little slow to pick up on things maybe I'll reword it so it's easier to pick up. I'll type slower too, for those that have reading difficulties:

Do you believe that the US is the ONLY country wandering around doing good, looking for nothing in return only out of the goodness of their own hearts 'cuz they're really nice people, or do you think there are other "good samaritan" nations out there as well?

NOW... what the hell was anti-american about that? And what about that deserved the stupid, thoughtless responses I got? Not to mention the accusations of anti-americanism? Some of you are really too much.
 

EastTexasGal

Well-known member
Okay I will bite...

Us spoil for a fight? dont think there is a fight, looks like a debate..I have seen fights on here...lol.

How many others are the first ones in to help? Show me..
I am accepting that others HELP the USA in times of crisis in foreign lands. How many himhaw? debating if it is politically okay? and wait till the U.S.A. dives in, watches the public out blasts, then they decide that they will follow and help out? So the answer is yes, I do believe...Silver.


NOW... what the hell was anti-american about that? And what about that deserved the stupid, thoughtless responses I got? Not to mention the accusations of anti-americanism?

I wonder how we got that you were Anti American?hmm...

Now thoughtless I saw nothing posted that was thoughtless, defending what we believe is what I saw. And, you were given answers to your question in many forms..if you read them all.

Maybe if you had picked another day besides MEMORIAL DAY?? of all days!! And, I am one of the ones that normally reads and does not post, but when I feel that it is wrong, I will call a spade a spade.

So now you have my DIRECT ANSWER....

Easty
 

Silver

Well-known member
Easty, debate is fine. Discussion better. IMHO.

How many others are the first to help? Didnt realize that was the original question, but OK. Seems to me when the tsunami hit Indonesia, Canada was among the first. When Katrina hit, Canada was first. Sent the navy and everything. When Afghanistan was invaded, there was no hesitation, we did what we could. Entered ww1 in 1914, ww2 in 1939. Sent an all volunteer army to Korea (the only country to do so) Peace keepers all over the world for decades....
Australia... in East Temor right now, without any other western nations (except NZ), where is Canada and the US there? Why aren't we in Congo if we are all so self righteous?

To me every day is memorial day, I like to think that my friends and relatives that have served and died made a difference. And when I see a post that makes a claim that 'this country' or 'that country' is 'unique' in it's 'selfless' efforts, I take some affront. Forgive me for being damn proud of my nation. My post was in no way meant to take away from your nation... only to perhaps make some people aware that yours is not 'unique', it just does things on a larger scale.
 

Tap

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The United States of America, during my lifetime, has become a nation like none other on earth. Not because it is the most powerful nation on earth, The United States of America, during my lifetime, has become a nation like none other on earth. Not because it is the most powerful nation on earth, but because we, more times than I can count, have taken the side of the oppressed with no intention to conquer, rule or pillage.

That was the original quote we have been speaking about. Now read this part again.
"Not because it is the most powerful nation on earth, but because we, more times than I can count, have taken the side of the oppressed with no intention to conquer, rule or pillage. "

Now that becaue we, more times............... part told me that was the crux of what the writer was trying to get across. I am offended that you would say my answer was stupid, because I gave an example that pertained exactly to why I think Baxter was right. I am sorry if you didn't like it, but if anything you were off topic and not myself. I think you are quite a cynic when it comes to our government Silver, and I noticed it in other posts you have made. That is fine with me, but I will always maintain that the US looks out for other peoples as much as our own, and lots of times to the detriment of US citizens. Have you ever looked to see how much aid we give out compared to what we have ever taken in?


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HAY MAKER

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Silver said:
The United States of America, during my lifetime, has become a nation like none other on earth. Not because it is the most powerful nation on earth, but because we, more times than I can count, have taken the side of the oppressed with no intention to conquer, rule or pillage.

That statement allways irritates me to no end. Do you americans on here actually believe your nation is unique in taking "the side of the oppressed with no intention to conquer, rule or pillage."? I mean, I'm sure OT would believe a statement as ridiculous as this, but how about the rest of you? I don't mean any offence by this, or to diminish what the ole USA has done over the years, just looking for your opinions.

Silver you need to read "your" post, R E A L S L O W
I believe it will become obvious to you why some of us thought your timing was off,truthfully I was surprised you posted it.................good luck

PS no one has implied the USA was "unique" in the positions indicated except you.
I still say it was in poor taste to question the USA's accomplishments on Memorial Day,my apology for indicating it was anti Americanism,I dont believe that was your intent.
 
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