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Beethoven

okfarmer

Well-known member
I appears you have missed the last few replies I have made to threads you have posted on. So I thought this might direct your attention to my questions.

Surely you wouldn't just be trying to stir the pot or spread misinformation?

If you are going to post all these thought provoking items, I would like to hear your well thought out explanation supporting the information you are posting.

Especially a rebutal to the post I made about the falsehood of your piece on euthanasia solutions for capital crimes....

And the discussion directed to you that you have ignored in the gun commercial thread...

Distributing large amounts of known misinformation for the end purpose of a goal does seem faintly familiar....
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
I've seen Beethoven make some thoughtful responses in some threads. While I may not always agree, I don't think he/she is trying to avoid discussion.
 

okfarmer

Well-known member
Whitewing said:
I've seen Beethoven make some thoughtful responses in some threads. While I may not always agree, I don't think he/she is trying to avoid discussion.

There is a difference between disagreeing and not responding. I don't expect to always or even frequently agree.

But like I said, I have posted a response to the "deeper" issues and have thus far been ignored. Thus the reason for this thread. In the event it was an oversight, I will now know.
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
okfarmer said:
Whitewing said:
I've seen Beethoven make some thoughtful responses in some threads. While I may not always agree, I don't think he/she is trying to avoid discussion.

There is a difference between disagreeing and not responding. I don't expect to always or even frequently agree.

But like I said, I have posted a response to the "deeper" issues and have thus far been ignored. Thus the reason for this thread. In the event it was an oversight, I will now know.

I agree that it's a bit annoying to type out a well thought-out response to an article or whatever someone posts and then be completely ignored, but let's face it, no one here is required to respond to anything.

I've certainly posted articles without comment that resulted in a lot of discussion....but then, most folks here know from which side of the political spectrum I come. Some even judge me by it. :D
 

okfarmer

Well-known member
I understand your point that I should probably not be so, confrontational . But I find a lot of the underhanded attacks on the basic principles of our country a little more than annoying.

There is a big movement to chip away at the truth by flooding the mainstream populace with false information and blend everything into nothing. Ever read the communist manifesto?.... The end result justifies the means. New Age thinking utilizes these tactics as well. I challenge this view and invite debate with facts, and most of these individuals do not wish to debate with valid facts.

While being a young lad with little real world experience I admit to having left leaning views. I attended a small state university and was privileged enough to have a US government course instructed by a gentleman that had served in the Defense Department under Reagan.

Because he was not liberal in his views, but would have fit in well with the Tea Party, he offended most of his colleagues and was apparently asked to leave. Surprise there :roll:

What he taught and what he stood for made a lot of sense. He identified many of the threats to our country that were present at that time (this was the mid 1990’s) and many that would threaten our country in the future.

He discussed how it would not be whole countries endangering us, but instead, it would be small mobile terrorist groups that would be the biggest threats- this was well before 9/11. Our world was actually more stable with the USSR being in power, and we were safer. It was a counterbalance.

He discussed how much of a push there is for the sovereignty of America and other countries to be dissolved into a world “government” by New Age thinkers.

When America was formed, the founding fathers agreed about the basic premises of human rights and why individuals were born deserving those rights and basic government duties. The disagreements were generally over how the government was to go about performing these duties.

We more or less had two groups that were divided on protocol.

As time has passed, we have had more and more groups that are trying to shift away from the basic premises of America. These groups (socialists, communists, islamic fundamentalists, just to name a few), are attempting to change the dynamics of our political system and endanger the liberties America was founded on by attacking the basis of our liberties and the independence of our country.

It is the purposeful use of propaganda that I detest and feel a personal and patriotic duty to unveil. The push to make “In God We Trust”, into our “Host”? To make our system that was designed to be complete when legally followed, into nothingness- since under these new views it may be one thing today and something completely different tomorrow.

“having the right and being given the right are two very different matters.. getting rights and having rights, fighting for one's rights, these are absolutely things that are worth exploring. however all these things are hard to nail down ie., systems being fluid, and being that laws and leadership and resources and many things are ever changing. thinking about the bulk of our ideas about rights it should be said that the conformity + observance should not be confused with the content for when that happens there is potential for 'spin' overruling fact.”

My purpose is to open up the subtleties and hidden agendas of these groups. If they choose to not respond as you pointed out, that is fine. But I thought this deserved pointing out as well.

I will drop this thread now.
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Okfarmer, watch this animated cartoon. Hypo posts them from time to time and they're spot-on when it comes to how liberals "think".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAyCdfOXvec
 

Steve

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But I find a lot of the underhanded attacks on the basic principles of our country a little more than annoying.

I agree,.. by just posting a link and sitting back watching US bicker, is in itself insidious, but when it is backed by an agenda does it cross a line?

these pose a question, link treads are almost effortless... and one poster with an agenda can hit dozens of sites in an hour.. planting seeds of dissent.

it doesn't help lead a discussion.. or even start one.. it only drops crap in our lap and then leaves while we deal with it.. and in this case he/she sits back and laughs, or as he puts it views from afar.. or some similar crap..

I for one am not a puppet of the left who can be jerked around for his amusement.. I tried to be polite.. I tried to engage in thoughtful discussion. only to find no response..

he/she isn't wasting his/her time she/he is wasting our time. and most of Us are smart enough to see it quickly..

sadly other websites plagued by this behavior spend countless hours arguing against a silent agitator..
 
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