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Bell Ranch, An uncertain future

What would have been nice is to have a better national goal of food security instead of a cheap food policy that has pushed a lot of producers off the land.

Ted cold have spent more of his money on food and so could the millions of cable subscribers he serviced. We wouldn't be talking about this now if we had a USDA interested in policies that benefit producers instead of selling out to big agribusiness who have taken the lion's share of profits in the industry.

Ted would have had to compete with many small businesses for the land instead of amassing his wealth and buying agriculture production land on the cheap off of desperate farmers/ranchers trying to make a living while our national agriculture policy sells them out in D.C.
 
Yes your right about the forman helping the neighbor out....to a certain extent,and depending on the circumstances.We have a nieghbor that has a feedlot,some of the animals don't like fences,to the point some of the neighbors get down right ticked off. Call him let him know his cattle are in yours....when hes darn good and ready on HIS time he comes and expects YOU to help him get his cattle out. Last time this happened to us,the cow went right for gregs horse. So theres different reasons for everything.....oh that friggin cows STILL at our place,been a year,guess we own it now huh????????

Also our ex son-in Law works a ranch,his days off are few and far between and greatly appreciated when they do happen,family time IS important even to lowly ranch help
 
Soapweed-
When I had a chance to spend some time out in that part of the country (as I remember) being told the ranches in that part of the country were originaly part of the Spade Ranch that the govt broke it up and was quite a monopoly of sorts and that could be part of the hard feelings of sorts ??
I agree most of the disagreement is jealousy but I also think it kinda goes against the grain of the "American Dream" thing when there is someone who has extreemly more financial power and assets than the aveage "Joe" in the area. We have the same same here and they do have more influence on area regualtions, laws, and recieve benefits that common folk don't get. They have more buying, selling, & banking power than anyone else and more influence than anyone else. Not that's wrong- just seems like it's not a level playing field.
Just my thoughts
 
kolanuraven said:
CattleArmy said:
Mrs.Greg said:
A guys cow gets out,gets into the nieghbors field and you can somehow blame Ted Turner for this :???: Why should a guy on his day off help a guy who can't keep his cattle in his own field???
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First off we are ranchers not farmers they are pastures not fields. Ok if it's soooo insulting to be called a " farmer", then throw out of your house EVERYTHING that is not made of leather and sewn together with sinew or gut. I mean all the food...all of it except the meat!! All the clothes that are of cotton, all the towels, linens, the list is endless.
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Second off the neighbor would have just got his cows out of the pasture except one small thing..........the gates are locked tight and he doesn't have a key.
Easy to jump on the ole he should do this and that without putting yourself in that place. Would any cow person want their cows locked in someone else's pasture without water? If so that person isn't a cowman or woman.

Second of all the part I guess some just don't get is Turner put in the fence not any of us. It surrounds some and yet they are not to touch it and when cows get in it a person can't even get them out (refer to my statement that the gates are locked). Is this fence on Turner property? If so, then it's his fence and last time I looked if you own the land you can put a fence anywhere you want! Do you ask anyone where you can build a fence?

As of yet Ted isn't handing out any keys so the only thing any of us can do is call his help. Why would Turner or anyone start handing out keys to private property? Do you give other people around you keys to your house, car, vehicles? Maybe the foremans wife is a biatch or po'ed at him that day.....that's not the fault of the owner.

I guess it might be nice to live in the perfect world where cows don't get out. On this I'll quote Soapweed's reply to me earlier " Yup"
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Ok in the nicest way I can type ever.........I was just clarifying we are ranchers not farmers. We used to live on a place that did some almost farming and it's spending way to much time on a tractor then I like to. Haying season is plenty for me.

About the keys to locked pastures I guess in all my life we've never needed to keep someone out of a pasture. Neighbors crossed one another with their cattle and it was no big deal. It was a way of getting from one piece of land you had to another. Just mozing across no big deal. Another good reason is when fires happen here so often wind is with it and they move fast and fire crews along with just good ole neighbors join in the battle to help protect current feed for the cattle and any hay that is yarded. I guess this is my first experience having an entity that feels the need to lock the people around out. I don't expect anyone to ask me where to put a fence on their property but I do expect to be able to get my animals out of the said property when they hold the key. This is the point I think that some have missed is that people surrounding the high electric fence don't do maintence on it which I'll be one of the first to say yep makes for less fencing in the spring and it's not a chore I enjoy at all. However, the problem lies in the fact that when you need in it for the purpose of retrieving your cattle you simply can't get in unless one was to destroy it. Nobody that I know of wants to do that but what does one do when you call and ask for help try to get your critters back and it's just impossible to do so (referring back to the locked gates).

My reference to Ted not handing out keys goes back to the point that if he's not handing out keys and it's his managements day off then what would anyone else do? Can anyone honestly say that if their cows were locked in another person's pasture without water and you couldn't get to them and you'd called and got that response you wouldn't be miffed?
 
I've tried to ponder where my strong opinion of Ted Turner came from. A year ago I suppose I had one just not such a strong one. We all even myself when I disagree with people on here and think they are inbred and just plum crazy need to remind myself everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Some where along all the posts someone suggested jealousy. See but that's not it because not for all the money in the world would I give up my neighbors. You know the neighbors that in the drop of a hat would be their to come help in a time of need. My Dad was hurt around a year ago and people poured out to offer to do about anything we might need. From finishing up haying to helping work cattle. One of the areas large ranches called and said they'd bring a whole crew whenever to do whatever we needed help with. A simple call and it would be taken care of. Money can't buy that. Owning all the land in the world can't make others feel that way about you. Only being a neighbor can earn that.


I remember there was a time I didn't mind that these wonderful Sandhills that I have called home my entire life were being bought up around me. I realized someone was going to buy it. It had to be for sale to be bought. I got that. I also listened as Mullen ground was bought up and the people in the community began to tell stories that just seemed imaginable to me to be going on is this country. Even as it knocked at my back door I still didn't mind it the way I do now. The first crew on the ranch close to me was very community minded and was a neighbor. He and his family came to brandings and joined us as we celebrated birthdays or simply barbequed. He worked to form positive relations with everyone and had a wonderful crew that also wanted to be a part of the neighborhood. Then I guess when that manager moved and the new one came I still wasn't so grrrr about it all. Then slowly events happened from following an elderly woman, following others on the county road that anyone has the right to be on, to slowly more things going on from a man's hay crop being ruined, to multiple events of stories along the lines of the one that helped me to start this multitude of posts. I guess the bottom line is as an owner no matter who it is they are responsible when complaints are made and nothing gets done. Nothing. That doing nothing I think makes me realize in his world all of us out here we are nothing. Maybe you are accustomed to that but I'm used to my neighbors knowing me, helping them, them helping me, and being sad when life takes them in another direction and they leave. I don't think it's so much anger or any other vindictive emotion someone will point out that I have that I don't. I think it's just a sadness for the change that has come in this country. If you've never been blessed with neighbors there is no way in the world anything said will ever make a person understand.
 
CattleArmy said:
You know the neighbors that in the drop of a hat would be their to come help in a time of need.

Only being a neighbor can earn that.


........ to form positive relations with everyone
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This will be my last say on this issue....but I need to say this:


Being a neighbor is a 2 way street...you "get" as good as you "give".

The old saying " what goes around....comes around"is TRUE.

The world is REALLY a small place....and people know & find out what is said about about them. Being humans we'll instinctively turn an ear to gossip over face-to-face fact most of the time, as we'll reason that the whole world can't be wrong on the issue.


So with that said....2 things

#1 The world is growing and changing, change with it, new people come in and out of our lives faster now than ever before. This fact has reached most of America , it may just be now reaching the Sandhills.


#2..Maybe the Turner crew(s), whomever that may be, doesn't like to deal with you ( meaning the local neighbors) cause they've heard what you say about them....so they're gonna instantly expect confrontation. When people expect confrontation.... they instinctively are defensive, just as you are when dealing with them due to the ' rumors' you've heard about them.


It's really a mirror effect.


And with this.....I'm done.

I'm sorry YOU don't have good neighbors in the Turner crew like I do.

Why that is...I haven't a clue, I can speculate but I won't.
 
The thing is:
Turner has the money to buy all the ranches he wants to, but why does he need them?

When he has bought up all the country, he can just set back and enjoy life.

He can give a part of his millions to help schools or for youth projects to make himself think well of himself. But can a person find enjoyment of watching people scramble and scamper like a pack of dogs after the few scraps he throws out.
 
I learned something new about old Ted last night...In the middle of the night I was watching Night Talk with Mike Schneider who was interviewing Larry King-- and Larry King was telling how Ted Turner and Fidel Castro are good buddies- and how Ted has been trying to line up a chance for Larry to do an interview with Fidel for years...

Maybe Ted is gonna buy Cuba and take over for ole Fidel :???: :wink: :lol:
 

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