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Better late than never. MPS vote to repeal Gun Laws.

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Grandad

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Thus begins the dismantling of this especially objectionable LIBERAL legislation.
Rancher Dan, Farmer Fred and Hunter Hank were reportedly very pleased with todays turn of events.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/vote+repeal+long+registry/2183626/story.html
 
Grandad said:
Thus begins the dismantling of this especially objectionable LIBERAL legislation.
Rancher Dan, Farmer Fred and Hunter Hank were reportedly very pleased with todays turn of events.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/vote+repeal+long+registry/2183626/story.html

A few more months and if we are lucky we will see thousands of people become "ex criminals"

About time

BC
 
I will be curious to see how - or if - the law reverses convictions against the good people it persecuted only for reasons of political correctness - IF this bill ever passes.

This bill has not passed yet and the anti firearm movement will be gearing up.

They are quite prepared to spend a lot of money to defeat this bill.

The police in this case are truly the #1 enemy - and that will be a real problem. No matter their personal feelings at the worker bee level they will fall into line with the Chiefs and they are always quoted as the experts by the left leaning media of Canada. An amazing amount of people believe the Chiefs, the police AND the media when it comes to this topic.

BC
 
I think the fact that the libs are trying to backpedal shows that the registry will get tossed.

They do not want to make waves anywhere right now and are trying to come across as peacemakers on the issue - which to a Liberal means compromise.
 
burnt said:
I think the fact that the libs are trying to backpedal shows that the registry will get tossed.

They do not want to make waves anywhere right now and are trying to come across as peacemakers on the issue - which to a Liberal means compromise.

We can only hope you are correct

BC
 
Interesting tidbit with regard to the genesis of the gun registry. Turns out the Lieberals were more interested in promoting Lieberals than protecting people. Imagine that!

Birth of the Canadian Gun Registry
A gang that couldn't shoot straight
by John Dixon


The Liberals' gun registry program was pointed at Kim Campbell, not crime. That's why it shot itself in the foot, says former justice adviser JOHN DIXON.

We now know that the government's gun-control policy is a fiscal and administrative debacle. Its costs rival those of core services like national defence. And it doesn't work. What is less well known is that the policy wasn't designed to control guns. It was designed to control Kim Campbell.

When Ms. Campbell was enjoying a brief season of success in her re-election bid in the summer campaign of 1993, Mr. Chretien was kept busy reassuring what he called the "Nervous Nellies" in his caucus that Ms. Campbell's star would soon fall. To bring her down, the Liberals planned to discredit her key accomplishment as minister of justice, an ambitious gun-control package.

Those measures -- enacted in the wake of the Montreal Massacre -- Included new requirements for the training and certification of target shooters and hunters.

We got new laws requiring: the safe storage of firearms and ammunition, which essentially brought every gun in the country under Lock and key; screening of applicants for firearms licences; courts to actively seek information about firearms in spousal assault cases; the prohibition of firearms that had no place in Canada's field-and-stream tradition of firearms use.

I was one of the department of justice officials involved in that Earlier gun-control program. When the House of Commons passed the legislation, Wendy Cukier and Heidi Rathgen of the Coalition for Gun Control, which had been part of the consultation process, supplied the champagne for a party at my Ottawa home.

So what were the Liberals to do, faced with a legislative accomplishment on this scale?

Simple: Pretend it hadn't happened, and promise to do something so dramatic that it would make Ms. Campbell look soft on gun control.

The obvious policy choice was a universal firearms registry.

The idea of requiring the registration of every firearm in the country wasn't new. Governments love lists. Getting lists and maintaining them is a visible sign that the government is at work. And lists are the indispensable first step to collecting taxes and licence fees. There is no constitutional right to bear arms in Canada, as is arguably the case in the United States.

So why not go for a universal gun registry? The short answer, arrived at by every study in the Department of Justice, was that universal registration would be ruinously expensive, and could actually yield a negative public security result (more on this in a moment). Besides, in 1992 Canada already had two systems of gun registration: the complete registry of all restricted firearms, such as handguns (restricted since the 1930s) and a separate registry of ordinary firearms.

This latter registry, which started in the early 1970s, was a feature of the firearms acquisition certificate (or FAC) required by a person purchasing any firearm. Every firearm purchased from a dealer had to be registered to the FAC holder by the vendor, and the record of the purchase passed on to the RCMP in Ottawa. So we were already building a cumulative registry of all the owners of guns in Canada purchased since 1970.

The FAC system was a very Canadian (i.e. sensible) approach to the registration of ordinary hunting and target firearms. If you were a good ol' boy from Camrose, Alta., and didn't want to get involved, you didn't have to - as long as you didn't buy more guns. Good ol' boys die off, so younger people in shooting sports would eventually all be enrolled in the system.

After the Montreal Massacre, the then-deputy minister of justice, John Tait, asked me to review the gun-control package under development. One thing I immediately wanted to know was how many Canadians owned Ruger Mini-14s (the gun used by the Montreal murderer). The Mini-14 came into production about the time the FAC system was introduced, so the FAC should have a good picture of the gun's distribution.

But when our team asked the RCMP for the information, we couldn't get it. Computers were down; the information hadn't been entered yet; there weren't enough staff to process the request; there was a full moon. After a week, I said I didn't want excuses, I wanted the records. Then a very senior person sat me down and told me the truth.

The RCMP had stopped accepting FAC records, and had actually destroyed those it already had. The FAC registry system didn't exist because the police thought it was useless and refused to waste their limited budgets maintaining it. They also moved to ensure that their political masters could not resurrect it.

Such spectacular bureaucratic vandalism persuaded my deputy and his minister to concentrate on developing compliance with affordable gun-control measures that could work. A universal gun registry could only appeal to people who didn't care about costs or results, and who didn't understand what riled up decent folks in Camrose.

Which is precisely why it appealed to those putting together the Liberal Red Book for the pivotal 1993 election. If the object of the policy exercise was to appear to be "tougher" on guns than Kim Campbell, they had to find a policy that would provoke legitimate gun-owners to outrage. Nothing would better convince the Liberals' urban constituency that Jean Chretien and Allan Rock were taking a tough line on guns than the spectacle of angry old men spouting fury on Parliament Hill.

The supreme irony of the gun registry battle is that the policy was selected because it would goad people who knew something about guns to public outrage. That is, it had a purely political purpose in the special context of a hard-fought election. The fact that it was bad policy was crucial to the specific political effect it was supposed to deliver.

And so we saw demonstrations by middle-aged firearm owners, family men whose first reflex was to respect the laws of the land. This group's political alienation is a far greater loss than the $200-million that have been wasted so far.

The creation of this new criminal class -- the ultimate triumph of negative political alchemy -- may be the worst, and most enduring product of the gun registry culture war.

John Dixon is a hunter, and president of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association. From 1991 to 1992, he was adviser to then-deputy minister of justice John Tait.
 
Whitewing said:
Have you guys ever looked at some of the gun laws enforced in the UK? Frightening.

Canadians are well and truly aware.

Americans are for the most part quite blind to Brit gun laws and the ramifications of going down that road.

BC
 
Broke Cowboy said:
Whitewing said:
Have you guys ever looked at some of the gun laws enforced in the UK? Frightening.

Canadians are well and truly aware.

Americans are for the most part quite blind to Brit gun laws and the ramifications of going down that road.

BC

not all Americans are blind to the UK laws and it's effects.. ,.. I not only lived in the UK, but have a wife who is closely related to several police officers... one who had to use his car as a shield for over an hour while they found a trained officer and a gun to try to stop the armed robber.. the armed thug was finally ran over by another unarmed officer.

they are being out gunned..
 
Steve said:
Broke Cowboy said:
Whitewing said:
Have you guys ever looked at some of the gun laws enforced in the UK? Frightening.

Canadians are well and truly aware.

Americans are for the most part quite blind to Brit gun laws and the ramifications of going down that road.

BC

not all Americans are blind to the UK laws and it's effects.. ,.. I not only lived in the UK, but have a wife who is closely related to several police officers... one who had to use his car as a shield for over an hour while they found a trained officer and a gun to try to stop the armed robber.. the armed thug was finally ran over by another unarmed officer.

they are being out gunned..

As I said - "for the most part"

I stand by that

BC
 
I once frequented a pigeon hunting website (yes, you read that correctly) that´s hosted in the UK. There are millions of pigeons in the country and shooting them is a relatively big sport.

But boy, the hoops those poor guys must jump through just to be able to own and transport shotguns and ammo to hunt a pest.

Handguns? High powered rifles? :lol: Most Americans wouldn´t believe the laws.
 

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