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Bible was inappropriate reading material for quiet time.

hypocritexposer

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NJ teacher told student to put Bible away
12/16/2009, 7:02 a.m. EST
The Associated Press

(AP) — OLD BRIDGE, N.J. - Her parents say a New Jersey elementary school teacher told a third-grader the Bible was inappropriate reading material for quiet time.

Michelle Jordat tells MyFoxNY.com her daughter, Mariah, cried when the teacher told her to put the Bible away.

The principal at Madison Park Elementary School in Old Bridge apologized and said the teacher made a mistake. The principal says school policy allows children to read the Bible or any other religious book during quiet time.

The school board addressed the issue for concerned parents on Tuesday night.
 

Twister Frost

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Now, to me, this should cause outrage for those who believe we need to get back to our morals.
Here's a question for the board--Do you know how many copies of the Bible are in your child's school library? Mine has five---
 

Steve

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Twister Frost said:
Now, to me, this should cause outrage for those who believe we need to get back to our morals.
Here's a question for the board--Do you know how many copies of the Bible are in your child's school library? Mine has five---

each child at my son's school had a Bible at his or her desk... but then I would expect that at St Ann's
 

schnurrbart

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Twister Frost said:
Now, to me, this should cause outrage for those who believe we need to get back to our morals.
Here's a question for the board--Do you know how many copies of the Bible are in your child's school library? Mine has five---

How many copies of ANY book do you think a school library should have?
 

Twister Frost

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schnurrbart said:
Twister Frost said:
Now, to me, this should cause outrage for those who believe we need to get back to our morals.
Here's a question for the board--Do you know how many copies of the Bible are in your child's school library? Mine has five---

How many copies of ANY book do you think a school library should have?

Depends on how many kids I have in my class, and which book I want to use as a classroom novel---
 

MsSage

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Since I started in the school library I say only 2 copies of any given book. Now as for novel sets that is different. I think every school should have as many different sets as possible and at least 15 different sets per grade level.

Quite time reading is for personal choices and that choice was taken from this child. The school is now saying the Bible is ok and they were mistaken for not allowing it. :roll:
 

schnurrbart

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Twister Frost said:
schnurrbart said:
Twister Frost said:
Now, to me, this should cause outrage for those who believe we need to get back to our morals.
Here's a question for the board--Do you know how many copies of the Bible are in your child's school library? Mine has five---

How many copies of ANY book do you think a school library should have?

Depends on how many kids I have in my class, and which book I want to use as a classroom novel---

Of course, but during AR or "quiet time" reading the students read whatever they want and generally get books out of the library. Most schools that I have subbed in have reading clubs and the students get books out of the library, read them and then take a test on the computer about the book. When you are going to use a book as a classroom assignment, you naturally have to have a book for each student but this wasn't the case. I feel that the teacher may have been confused about school policy and thought this was some sort of "separation of church and school" issue.
 

TexasBred

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Steve said:
Twister Frost said:
Now, to me, this should cause outrage for those who believe we need to get back to our morals.
Here's a question for the board--Do you know how many copies of the Bible are in your child's school library? Mine has five---

each child at my son's school had a Bible at his or her desk... but then I would expect that at St Ann's

lol, same here at St. Mary's. And the kids are taught "in class" about other faiths and other denominations.
 

katrina

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Steve said:
Twister Frost said:
Now, to me, this should cause outrage for those who believe we need to get back to our morals.
Here's a question for the board--Do you know how many copies of the Bible are in your child's school library? Mine has five---

each child at my son's school had a Bible at his or her desk... but then I would expect that at St Ann's


Ours toooo...... go Zion Lions!!!

And have to recite a new verse every week with a lesson of bible study... And Pastor comes in once a week for a foreign language lesson...
And my son now knows the new testement pretty well and is very versed in bible history.... And likes it!!!
Dang those darn Christians anyways!!!


Edited for some spelling... :D
 

Twister Frost

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schnurrbart said:
Twister Frost said:
schnurrbart said:
How many copies of ANY book do you think a school library should have?

Depends on how many kids I have in my class, and which book I want to use as a classroom novel---

Of course, but during AR or "quiet time" reading the students read whatever they want and generally get books out of the library. Most schools that I have subbed in have reading clubs and the students get books out of the library, read them and then take a test on the computer about the book. When you are going to use a book as a classroom assignment, you naturally have to have a book for each student but this wasn't the case. I feel that the teacher may have been confused about school policy and thought this was some sort of "separation of church and school" issue.

Yes, but my intended point was missed---there was such a fuss about the MA second grader who was sent home for drawing a Christmas picture of the crucifixtion, but with x's for eyes. Ultimately, that story was based on the second grader's father's perceived racism concerning the incident. So, when this hit, I thought that a couple of the posters who were jumping on the "bad" teacher bandwagon should have a reaction to this story. It has nothing to do with how many copies of any book that a library has---my point was do the board members know how many copies of the Bible are in their child's library. The reason I wonder is because many schools have removed copies of the Bible from the library, under the assumption of separation of Church and State. Just for the record--I am all for Bibles in public schools and not only because I am a Christian. As a public institution we acknowledge Wednesday church night procedures and no school-related activities on Sunday; thus, we do not have separation of Church/State.
 

schnurrbart

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Twister Frost said:
schnurrbart said:
Twister Frost said:
Depends on how many kids I have in my class, and which book I want to use as a classroom novel---

Of course, but during AR or "quiet time" reading the students read whatever they want and generally get books out of the library. Most schools that I have subbed in have reading clubs and the students get books out of the library, read them and then take a test on the computer about the book. When you are going to use a book as a classroom assignment, you naturally have to have a book for each student but this wasn't the case. I feel that the teacher may have been confused about school policy and thought this was some sort of "separation of church and school" issue.

Yes, but my intended point was missed---there was such a fuss about the MA second grader who was sent home for drawing a Christmas picture of the crucifixtion, but with x's for eyes. Ultimately, that story was based on the second grader's father's perceived racism concerning the incident. So, when this hit, I thought that a couple of the posters who were jumping on the "bad" teacher bandwagon should have a reaction to this story. It has nothing to do with how many copies of any book that a library has---my point was do the board members know how many copies of the Bible are in their child's library. The reason I wonder is because many schools have removed copies of the Bible from the library, under the assumption of separation of Church and State. Just for the record--I am all for Bibles in public schools and not only because I am a Christian. As a public institution we acknowledge Wednesday church night procedures and no school-related activities on Sunday; thus, we do not have separation of Church/State.

It would be nice, in order to help teach tolerance of others who might be different from you, that schools have not only the Bible but also the Koran, Torah and any other religious book so if the kids wish to learn different cultures and religions, they can. Reading the Torah won't make you jewish anymore than standing in a garage will make you a car. But it might give you insight into how the other guy thinks and help you be more tolerant of his differences to you.
 

TexasBred

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True..I've read the Book of Mormon. All it did was reaffirm that I was not interested in Mormonism. But some may feel threatened by it.
 

Liveoak

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TexasBred said:
True..I've read the Book of Mormon. All it did was reaffirm that I was not interested in Mormonism. But some may feel threatened by it.

Oh c'mon TB. Give it another chance Mr. Smith was one fine character :p

I agree, schnurrbart. If "freedom of religion" is valid, then students ought to have access to all the major religious readings. By the same token, if separation of church and state dictates then take out all of the religious materials from the schools rather than favor just one. As to "quiet time" in school - they should be able to read whatever religous material they want without harrassment.
 

TexasBred

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Liveoak said:
TexasBred said:
True..I've read the Book of Mormon. All it did was reaffirm that I was not interested in Mormonism. But some may feel threatened by it.

Oh c'mon TB. Give it another chance Mr. Smith was one fine character :p

I agree, schnurrbart. If "freedom of religion" is valid, then students ought to have access to all the major religious readings. By the same token, if separation of church and state dictates then take out all of the religious materials from the schools rather than favor just one. As to "quiet time" in school - they should be able to read whatever religous material they want without harrassment.

Apparently Mr. Smith was a real "sport" too. One was never enough for him. :wink: :wink:
 

MoGal

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When our government gets done with making this country a socialized fascist economy, christian churches will be next:

I had heard this summer that China removed Revelations from the bible and that if you are a true born again Christian you have to worship underground.....

http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/December16/1683.html

Towering eight stories over wheat fields, the Golden Lamp Church was built to serve nearly 50,000 worshippers in the gritty heart of China's coal country.

But that was before hundreds of police and hired thugs descended on the mega-church, smashing doors and windows, seizing Bibles and sending dozens of worshippers to hospitals with serious injuries, members and activists say

Today, the church's co-pastors are in jail. The gates to the church complex in the northern province of Shanxi are locked and a police armored personnel vehicle sits outside.

The closure of what may be China's first mega-church is the most visible sign that the communist government is determined to rein in the rapid spread of Christianity, with a crackdown in recent months that church leaders call the harshest in years.

Authorities describe the actions against churches as stemming from land disputes, but the congregations under attack are among the most successful in China's growing "house church" movement, which rejects the state-controlled church in favor of liturgical independence and a more passionate, evangelical outlook.

While the Chinese constitution guarantees freedom of religion, Christians are required to worship in churches run by state-controlled organizations: The Three-Self Patriotic Movement for Protestants and the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association for Roman Catholics.

But more and more Chinese are opting to choose their own churches, despite them being technically illegal and subject to police harassment. Christians worshipping in China's independent churches are believed to number upwards of 60 million, compared to about 20 million who worship in the state church, according to numbers provided by scholars and church activists.

House churches have been around for decades, but their growth has accelerated in recent decades, producing larger and larger congregations that are far more conspicuous than the small groups of friends and neighbors that used to worship in private homes, giving the movement its name.

Their expansion and growing influence has deeply unsettled China's rulers, always suspicious of any independent social group that could challenge communist authority. Fears that Tibetan Buddhism and Islam promote separatism among Tibetans and Uighurs also drive restrictions on those religions.

"They are so afraid of rallying points developing for gathering of elements of civil society," said Daniel Bays, who follows Chinese Christianity at Calvin College, a religious school in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

While house churches have faced varying degrees of repression depending on the region and political climate, the latest crackdown appears to specifically target the largest congregations.

Authorities want to dismantle large churches "before they grow out of total control," said Bob Fu, a former Communist Party researcher in Beijing who now heads the China Aid Association, a Texas-based church monitoring group.

At least two other large churches have recently faced similar crackdowns.
 

Twister Frost

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schnurrbart said:
Twister Frost said:
schnurrbart said:
Of course, but during AR or "quiet time" reading the students read whatever they want and generally get books out of the library. Most schools that I have subbed in have reading clubs and the students get books out of the library, read them and then take a test on the computer about the book. When you are going to use a book as a classroom assignment, you naturally have to have a book for each student but this wasn't the case. I feel that the teacher may have been confused about school policy and thought this was some sort of "separation of church and school" issue.

Yes, but my intended point was missed---there was such a fuss about the MA second grader who was sent home for drawing a Christmas picture of the crucifixtion, but with x's for eyes. Ultimately, that story was based on the second grader's father's perceived racism concerning the incident. So, when this hit, I thought that a couple of the posters who were jumping on the "bad" teacher bandwagon should have a reaction to this story. It has nothing to do with how many copies of any book that a library has---my point was do the board members know how many copies of the Bible are in their child's library. The reason I wonder is because many schools have removed copies of the Bible from the library, under the assumption of separation of Church and State. Just for the record--I am all for Bibles in public schools and not only because I am a Christian. As a public institution we acknowledge Wednesday church night procedures and no school-related activities on Sunday; thus, we do not have separation of Church/State.

It would be nice, in order to help teach tolerance of others who might be different from you, that schools have not only the Bible but also the Koran, Torah and any other religious book so if the kids wish to learn different cultures and religions, they can. Reading the Torah won't make you jewish anymore than standing in a garage will make you a car. But it might give you insight into how the other guy thinks and help you be more tolerant of his differences to you.

I guess I could look at this one of two ways: One, what a pile of hoopy! Reading about something gives insight and knowledge, but experience gives tolerance. Two, I believe our country was founded on Christian principles; thus, the Bible should be allowed in the school library. Maybe that makes me a fanatic of some sort, but I'm danged tired of us Americans saying we need to be tolerant in our own country. If I choose to travel to another country, where they practice a different religion than Christianity, then I better do some reading. I'm sure they aren't going to bend over backwards to see that my religious affirmations are met.
As far as complete separation of Church and State---we better never let it happen. It's bad enough that a majority of children aren't allowed to say "The Pledge," and all because we now have foreigners who are not citizens, but use our God-given rights against us so that our children cannot pledge to our flag or pray in our public schools. You go ahead and stay on that paved road of tolerance---I'll stay on the wagon track that helped build America.
 
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I think it is about time to get rid of all of the religions that are not Christian. Now after we do let us decide which ones of the Christian religions we will accept, will it be Southern Baptist, hard shell Baptist, Methodist, Church of Christ, Catholic, are any of the ones that have come along lately. You know the ones Name it and Claim it. There are maybe a lot of names that I have missed with long names that are hard to spell. If you have missed my point then let me know.
 

Twister Frost

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hurleyjd said:
I think it is about time to get rid of all of the religions that are not Christian. Now after we do let us decide which ones of the Christian religions we will accept, will it be Southern Baptist, hard shell Baptist, Methodist, Church of Christ, Catholic, are any of the ones that have come along lately. You know the ones Name it and Claim it. There are maybe a lot of names that I have missed with long names that are hard to spell. If you have missed my point then let me know.

Well, Christian is Christian in my book---but good effort at trying to make someone who doesn't see the world through your fogged-up glasses as being a bigot or racist. Better get to the sharpener, hurleyjd, your point is as dull as your idea. :lol:
 

schnurrbart

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Twister Frost said:
schnurrbart said:
Twister Frost said:
Yes, but my intended point was missed---there was such a fuss about the MA second grader who was sent home for drawing a Christmas picture of the crucifixtion, but with x's for eyes. Ultimately, that story was based on the second grader's father's perceived racism concerning the incident. So, when this hit, I thought that a couple of the posters who were jumping on the "bad" teacher bandwagon should have a reaction to this story. It has nothing to do with how many copies of any book that a library has---my point was do the board members know how many copies of the Bible are in their child's library. The reason I wonder is because many schools have removed copies of the Bible from the library, under the assumption of separation of Church and State. Just for the record--I am all for Bibles in public schools and not only because I am a Christian. As a public institution we acknowledge Wednesday church night procedures and no school-related activities on Sunday; thus, we do not have separation of Church/State.

It would be nice, in order to help teach tolerance of others who might be different from you, that schools have not only the Bible but also the Koran, Torah and any other religious book so if the kids wish to learn different cultures and religions, they can. Reading the Torah won't make you jewish anymore than standing in a garage will make you a car. But it might give you insight into how the other guy thinks and help you be more tolerant of his differences to you.

I guess I could look at this one of two ways: One, what a pile of hoopy! Reading about something gives insight and knowledge, but experience gives tolerance. Two, I believe our country was founded on Christian principles; thus, the Bible should be allowed in the school library. Maybe that makes me a fanatic of some sort, but I'm danged tired of us Americans saying we need to be tolerant in our own country. If I choose to travel to another country, where they practice a different religion than Christianity, then I better do some reading. I'm sure they aren't going to bend over backwards to see that my religious affirmations are met.
As far as complete separation of Church and State---we better never let it happen. It's bad enough that a majority of children aren't allowed to say "The Pledge," and all because we now have foreigners who are not citizens, but use our God-given rights against us so that our children cannot pledge to our flag or pray in our public schools. You go ahead and stay on that paved road of tolerance---I'll stay on the wagon track that helped build America.

I feel very sorry for you since you claim to be a Christian yet have no need to teach tolerance. I have yet to be in any school district that the kids don't say the pledge every morning to start the day. I guess it must happen some where but I have never experienced it yet. Yes, our country was founded basically on Christian principles and one of those Christian principles was tolerance of others and their beliefs. If you desire to shut down this country and lock the doors to everyone who is not a card carrying Christian and throw out all of those already here who aren't, then you have really missed the mark. One of the freedoms our Founding Fathers insisted on was that everyone who came to this country would be allowed to worship how ever they wished and that included to NOT worship if that was the desired thing. Reading about other cultures is NOT a bad thing and 5th graders aren't going to be able to get that experience anytime soon so it helps to read about different people and their cultures.
 
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