Big Brother Watches Farmers

[Mike]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16545333

 

[hypocritexposer]

It's already happening in the US too, I'm sure, by agencies that have no constitutional authority to do so.

 

[katrina]

Oh yeah...... I was told that my garden was to big and would have to report it to the ascs office.. I told them where they could stick it.... It was photographed from the air.....

 

[Larrry]

It is used by insurance in the US to double check questionable crop ins. claims

 

[okfarmer]

Thats what happens when you give up freedom for security of subsidies.

I understand the desire to safeguard against fraud and I wish there was more oversight of government officials use of tax payer's money.

But, if you get rid of the subsidy- you get rid of all the cost/waste of managing the subsidy system, the fraud, and then the additional cost of monitoring for fraud.

 

[Larrry]

I know of two cases. One was a government controlled insurance. The other was a guy who was not in a farm program but bought insurance.

 

[jingo2]

If you, as a farmer, rancher, producer, get/take/receive ANY money from a federal program,you will have your property photo'd from the air and placed on file.


Don't want your pic taken, take your hand out of the public trough.

 

[Sandhusker]

"Don't want your pic taken, take your hand out of the public trough."

Let's be consistent with that idea;
Don't want to take a pee test, take you hand out of the public trough.
Don't want to stop drinking and smoking, take you hand out of the public trough.
Don't want to get your tubes tied, take your hand out of the public trough.

Let's see how far that goes with the left.

 

[Larrry]

Don't worry they are watching us. Their assumption is we are all criminals, they just haven't figured out for sure what the crime is yet.
SMILE

 

[Larrry]

MORE Big Brother

Group Forces Congressional Hearing On Big Sis' Twitter, Drudge Spying


Homeland Security is monitoring the web for anti-government sentiment and signs of social unrest

Steve Watson
Infowars.com
February 9, 2012


A privacy advocacy group has swayed Congress to hold a hearing next week into the Department of Homeland Security's practice of monitoring social networks such as Twitter and Facebook, as well as media reports and organizations, including The Drudge Report.

The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) recently obtained close to 300 pages of documents, as a result of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, detailing the federal agency's "intelligence gathering" practices on the web.

Among the documents were guidelines from DHS instructing outside contractors to monitor the web for media reports and comments that "reflect adversely" on the agency or the federal government.

As Reuters reported last month, in early 2010 contractors were asked to spend 24 hours monitoring news media coverage on popular websites, including Facebook, Twitter, Hulu, WikiLeaks, as well as news sites including the Huffington Post and The Drudge Report.

The contractors were required to provide the DHS with feedback on any potential "threats and hazards", as well as "any media reports that reflect adversely on the U.S. Government and the Department of Homeland Security (D.H.S.) ability to prevent, protect and respond, to recovery efforts or activities related to any crisis or events which impact National Planning Scenarios."

The documents also state that the program should highlight "both positive and negative reports on FEMA, C.I.A., C.B.P., ICE, etc., as well as organizations outside of D.H.S."
A d v e r t i s e m e n t
The documents obtained by EPIC indicate that following the exercise, a procurement official awarded an $11.3 million contract to General Dynamics Advanced Information Systems in order to carry out the monitoring on a "24/7/365 basis".

EPIC director Ginger McCall notes that monitoring what people are saying about government policies goes too far and has a chilling effect on free speech.

"The Department of Homeland Security's monitoring of political dissent has no legal basis and is contrary to core First Amendment principles," she said.

"The language in the documents makes it quite clear that they are looking for media reports that are critical of the agency and the U.S. government more broadly," said McCall. "This is entirely outside of the bounds of the agency's statutory duties."

DHS officials have admitted that monitoring of social networks for negative opinion was undertaken by the agency, but claim that the operation was a one off test and was quickly dropped as it did not meet "operational requirements or privacy standards," which "expressly prohibit reporting on individuals' First Amendment activities."

EPIC argues otherwise and has presented evidence that suggests the practice is being held up by the DHS an an example that should be emulated.

"They are completely out of bounds here," McCall said. "The idea that the government is constantly peering over your shoulder and listening to what you are saying creates a very chilling effect to legitimate dissent.

The Congressional hearing, DHS Monitoring of Social Networking and Media: Enhancing Intelligence Gathering and Ensuring Privacy, will be held Thursday February 16th.

However, it is already apparent where the House subcommittee for intelligence and counter-terrorism stands on the matter. As reported by Reuters, the top two members of the subcommittee, Rep. Patrick Meehan (R-PA) and Rep. Jackie Speier (D-CA), wrote to DHS Intelligence Chief Caryn Wagner last month, pressing her to more carefully monitor users' posts on sites such as Facebook and Twitter, in order to help detect "current or emerging threats."

As we have also previously reported, The DHS has openly announced that it is actively monitoring social media for signs of "social unrest", in a bid to pre-empt any sign of social dislocation within the United States.

http://www.infowars.com/group-forces-congressional-hearing-on-big-sis-twitter-drudge-spying/

 

[Anonymous]

Oh yeah...... I was told that my garden was to big and would have to report it to the ascs office.. I told them where they could stick it.... It was photographed from the air.....

This is some kind of deal there must be a thing in your locale, I have not had the Government interfering in any of my activities so far. Did your garden infringe on some CRP land. I am not taking any kind of support payments from the Government. Why would the ASCS office even look at you if you had not signed up for some kind of help. Got to be more to this story.

 

[Larrry]

Oh yeah...... I was told that my garden was to big and would have to report it to the ascs office.. I told them where they could stick it.... It was photographed from the air.....

This is some kind of deal there must be a thing in your locale, I have not had the Government interfering in any of my activities so far. Did your garden infringe on some CRP land. I am not taking any kind of support payments from the Government. Why would the ASCS office even look at you if you had not signed up for some kind of help. Got to be more to this story.

I don't know if there is more to the story, but under NO circumstances should a garden come into question. It is a Garden for goodnes sake, a GARDEN.

 

[hypocritexposer]

Don't want your pic taken, take your hand out of the public trough

How did these folks have their hand in the public trough?

"Mr. Stewart, if you related the facts of this case as they come to us to an ordinary homeowner, don't you think most ordinary homeowners would say this kind of thing can't happen in the United States?" That was one of the questions that Justice Alito asked of the lawyer for the EPA during Monday's oral argument in Sackett v. Environmental Protection Agency.


In particular, a number of justices seemed concerned about the fact that the $37,500 per day fine could actually be doubled to $75,000 per day. Indeed, further examination uncovered the fact that the EPA could levy a fine of $37,500 per day for the alleged violation of the Clean Water Act itself, and a separate fine of $37,500 per day for failing to comply with the order requiring them to remedy the alleged violation. Unwilling to accept the EPA's assurances that such a fine was purely "theoretical," and noting that the government did not have a stated policy that it would not impose the double fine on people like the Sacketts, the justices seemed very troubled by that issue and seemed to be leaning in favor of the Sacketts.

http://blog.talmonlaw.com/?p=64

 

[Anonymous]

Oh yeah...... I was told that my garden was to big and would have to report it to the ascs office.. I told them where they could stick it.... It was photographed from the air.....

This is some kind of deal there must be a thing in your locale, I have not had the Government interfering in any of my activities so far. Did your garden infringe on some CRP land. I am not taking any kind of support payments from the Government. Why would the ASCS office even look at you if you had not signed up for some kind of help. Got to be more to this story.

I don't know if there is more to the story, but under NO circumstances should a garden come into question. It is a Garden for goodnes sake, a GARDEN.

Yes Larrry it is a garden as far as I know a garden does not come under any gov. rules. Do you know of any. Maybe Katrina was growing a little weed. I think that Katrina is blowing smoke up our pants leg. That is why I asked the question. Just the facts please so we can check it out.

 

[Trinity man]

They are watching Jiggs even closer now. hahaha!!!!

 

[Larrry]

This is some kind of deal there must be a thing in your locale, I have not had the Government interfering in any of my activities so far. Did your garden infringe on some CRP land. I am not taking any kind of support payments from the Government. Why would the ASCS office even look at you if you had not signed up for some kind of help. Got to be more to this story.

I don't know if there is more to the story, but under NO circumstances should a garden come into question. It is a Garden for goodnes sake, a GARDEN.

Yes Larrry it is a garden as far as I know a garden does not come under any gov. rules. Do you know of any. Maybe Katrina was growing a little weed. I think that Katrina is blowing smoke up our pants leg. That is why I asked the question. Just the facts please so we can check it out.

I believe that there are vegetables that come under USDA rules and inspections so it could happen real easy. Some overzealous government employee with to much time on his hands is the most obvious answer. Actually it is the only answer, afraid some poor sole is gonna raise one to many maters. Didn't you remeber the liberal legislation last summer that was going to put gardens under scrutiny. It's just a garden and some government worker, not worthy of any more wasted time.

 

[katrina]

Oh yeah...... I was told that my garden was to big and would have to report it to the ascs office.. I told them where they could stick it.... It was photographed from the air.....

This is some kind of deal there must be a thing in your locale, I have not had the Government interfering in any of my activities so far. Did your garden infringe on some CRP land. I am not taking any kind of support payments from the Government. Why would the ASCS office even look at you if you had not signed up for some kind of help. Got to be more to this story.

No it was the size... They thought I was selling produce... At that time.. Only thing I bought in town was flour and sugar...

 

[katrina]

This is some kind of deal there must be a thing in your locale, I have not had the Government interfering in any of my activities so far. Did your garden infringe on some CRP land. I am not taking any kind of support payments from the Government. Why would the ASCS office even look at you if you had not signed up for some kind of help. Got to be more to this story.

I don't know if there is more to the story, but under NO circumstances should a garden come into question. It is a Garden for goodnes sake, a GARDEN.

Yes Larrry it is a garden as far as I know a garden does not come under any gov. rules. Do you know of any. Maybe Katrina was growing a little weed. I think that Katrina is blowing smoke up our pants leg. That is why I asked the question. Just the facts please so we can check it out.

Hureyjd.... If you're being funny that fine... otherwise you're kinda jackass.. :roll:

 

[Larrry]

Good job Katrina. hurley was just trying to bash you and ignore the only thing that matter, the intrusion of government into all aspects of our lives. The only thing that matters is that they wanted to control you and your garden.

 

[hopalong]

From past postings by hurley we know that there are lots of LIBERAL thoughts floating around in that mind, so the need to protect the establishment is there! :roll: :roll: