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Anonymous

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This what is so scarey about the Patriot Act, the NAIS, the Real ID, etc. etc- where the government subcontracts to some lowbidder database company, which again subcontracts to another, etc- and opens your PRIVATE data up to anyone that wants to access it- or if there is a way to profit from it, to sell it to those that can gain from it.....

State Department: Someone snooped in Obama's passport file
NEW: Three separate contractors looked at file three times since January


(CNN) -- On three occasions since January, Sen. Barack Obama's passport file was looked at by three different contract workers, said State Department spokesman Sean McCormack.


Sen. Barack Obama's passport file was breached three times since January, the State Department said.

The contractors accessed information in the file in an unauthorized way, he said.

Two contractors were fired and one was disciplined by the contractor's company, McCormack said.

He said the contractors are not linked.

The State Department hires contractors to design, build and maintain their systems and help employees with searches. McCormack said two of the contractors in the Obama case were "low-level" personnel and the other was in a mid-level position with no management role.

The breach seems like "imprudent curiosity" among the contract workers, said McCormack, adding that senior management at the State Department was not aware of the incidents until Thursday afternoon. Breaches occurred January 9, February 21 and March 14.

Obama's campaign is asking for a complete investigation to find out who looked at Obama's passport file and why.

"This is an outrageous breach of security and privacy, even from an administration that has shown little regard for either over the last eight years," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton in a statement.

"Our government's duty is to protect the private information of the American people, not use it for political purposes."

Doug Hattaway, a spokesman for Sen. Hillary Clinton, Obama's rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, said, "If it's true, it's reprehensible, and the Bush administration has a responsibility to get to the bottom of it."

The White House declined comment Thursday evening, just hours after the State Department upper management learned of the breach.

The news was reminiscent of a breach of Bill Clinton's passport information during the 1992 presidential campaign. The FBI launched an investigation after the State Department reported that someone had ripped out pages from his passport file from the late 1960s and '70s.

The department concluded that a search of Clinton's passport records was an attempt to influence the presidential election, reportedly by trying to show that Clinton tried to seek citizenship in another country to avoid the draft. Clinton was running against President George H.W. Bush.

Then-State Department Inspector General Sherman Funk found no evidence the White House ordered department staffers to dig for political dirt in Clinton's passport files. However, Funk said the White House probably knew it was happening.

Sen. Joseph Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, issued a statement late Thursday.

"I am deeply troubled that State Department contract employees sought access to Sen. Barack Obama's passport files. Firing or disciplining those responsible is an important first step. But we need to understand why these employees had access to this information in the first place, why they sought the information, and why it took over two months for this matter to come to light. I urge the Secretary of State to promptly refer this matter to the State Department Inspector General for investigation."
 

Steve

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But we need to understand why these employees had access to this information in the first place, why they sought the information,

Why is this so important? and how is it GW's fault?

and how does it compare to Hillery reading FBI files on every one?



a few low level contract workers.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Maybe they were just nosy?
 

Mike

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Alexander et al. v. FBI, et. al.


In the case known as "Filegate" Judicial Watch is representing plaintiffs in a class-action suit filed by the White House employees of Reagan and G.H.W. Bush administrations whose FBI files were wrongly accessed by the Clinton-Gore White House. The Clinton White House and the FBI are being sued under the federal Privacy Act, while the defendants Bernard Nussbaum, Craig Livingstone, Anthony Marceca and Hillary Clinton are being sued for common law tort of invasion of privacy.

"Filegate" consists of the over 900 FBI files which were illegally acquired by the Clinton-Gore White House and the misuse of other government files protected by The Privacy Act, in order to gather information to smear political adversaries and critics.

Keep in mind that Chuck Colson spent seven months in prison for illegal possession of a single FBI file as part of the Watergate prosecutions.

Sworn testimony of two Clinton-Gore White House whistleblowers showed that over 100,000 (and perhaps as many as 1,000,000) e-mails, in addition to about 500 hard drive cartridges, which contained incriminating evidence concerning Filegate, Travelgate, Chinagate, Lewinsky and other Clinton scandals were tampered with.



Case Status



Awaiting rulings by the Court on the following: 1) Plaintiff's Motion for Leave to Depose Hillary Clinton (filed 6/30/99); 2) Hillary Clinton's Motion for Summary Judgment (filed 7/6/99); 3) Plaintiff's Memorandum Concerning Substitution and Class Certification (filed 8/9/99); 4) Plaintiff's Memorandum in Support of Findings of Fact (filed 1/24/01); 5) FBI's Motion for Summary Judgment (filed 1/19/01); Last Pleading filed 4/1/04
 

Mike

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Three wrongs don't make a right, but looks like Hillary and McCain had the same snooping going on.

We might all be better off in the long run to sit back and gather info before we start pointing fingers? :lol:
 
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Why is this so important? and how is it GW's fault?

This is important because with the new Patriot Act Real ID, in the near future, whenever you travel anywhere by commercial carrier- you will need to use your ID ( a credit card type scannable ID which gives you an individualized ID number) which can/will be recorded in a database for further reference if need be by authorized personell- but the way the government is contracting out and subcontracting all these databases and computer systems records and/or travel records it could be used to gain an edge over someone competitively- either thru politics or business...Or if your not living the life you portray- thru blackmail.....Or a one stop shopping area for terrorists/crooks (domestic or foreign) to find info that can be used to their benefit- especially if someone can instantaneously ascertain that you are out of the country...

And on the news tonite I heard GW is further involved, in that his administration has been decreasing the rules for access to this type info- linking many foreign countries and Interpol into the routes to access Passport info and travel info in the Passport files....

If they can access 3 US Senators info- they can get into anyones...
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Why is this so important? and how is it GW's fault?

This is important because with the new Patriot Act Real ID, in the near future, whenever you travel anywhere by commercial carrier- you will need to use your ID ( a credit card type scannable ID which gives you an individualized ID number) which can/will be recorded in a database for further reference if need be by authorized personell- but the way the government is contracting out and subcontracting all these databases and computer systems records and/or travel records it could be used to gain an edge over someone competitively- either thru politics or business...Or if your not living the life you portray- thru blackmail.....Or a one stop shopping area for terrorists/crooks (domestic or foreign) to find info that can be used to their benefit- especially if someone can instantaneously ascertain that you are out of the country...

And on the news tonite I heard GW is further involved, in that his administration has been decreasing the rules for access to this type info- linking many foreign countries and Interpol into the routes to access Passport info and travel info in the Passport files....

If they can access 3 US Senators info- they can get into anyones...


Don't you want to be able to get a handle on who is, and who is NOT an illegal immigrant?

Here are the rules for "REAL ID", straight from the Act:

(b) Minimum Document Requirements- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall include, at a minimum, the following information and features on each driver's license and identification card issued to a person by the State:

(1) The person's full legal name.

(2) The person's date of birth.

(3) The person's gender.

(4) The person's driver's license or identification card number.

(5) A digital photograph of the person.

(6) The person's address of principle residence.

(7) The person's signature.

(8) Physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes.

(9) A common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements.

(c) Minimum Issuance Standards-

(1) IN GENERAL- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall require, at a minimum, presentation and verification of the following information before issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person:

(A) A photo identity document, except that a non-photo identity document is acceptable if it includes both the person's full legal name and date of birth.

(B) Documentation showing the person's date of birth.

(C) Proof of the person's social security account number or verification that the person is not eligible for a social security account number.

(D) Documentation showing the person's name and address of principal residence.

(2) SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS-

(A) IN GENERAL- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall comply with the minimum standards of this paragraph.

(B) EVIDENCE OF LAWFUL STATUS- A State shall require, before issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person, valid documentary evidence that the person--

(i) is a citizen or national of the United States;

(ii) is an alien lawfully admitted for permanent or temporary residence in the United States;

(iii) has conditional permanent resident status in the United States;

(iv) has an approved application for asylum in the United States or has entered into the United States in refugee status;

(v) has a valid, unexpired nonimmigrant visa or nonimmigrant visa status for entry into the United States;

(vi) has a pending application for asylum in the United States;

(vii) has a pending or approved application for temporary protected status in the United States;

(viii) has approved deferred action status; or

(ix) has a pending application for adjustment of status to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States or conditional permanent resident status in the United States.
 
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Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Why is this so important? and how is it GW's fault?

This is important because with the new Patriot Act Real ID, in the near future, whenever you travel anywhere by commercial carrier- you will need to use your ID ( a credit card type scannable ID which gives you an individualized ID number) which can/will be recorded in a database for further reference if need be by authorized personell- but the way the government is contracting out and subcontracting all these databases and computer systems records and/or travel records it could be used to gain an edge over someone competitively- either thru politics or business...Or if your not living the life you portray- thru blackmail.....Or a one stop shopping area for terrorists/crooks (domestic or foreign) to find info that can be used to their benefit- especially if someone can instantaneously ascertain that you are out of the country...

And on the news tonite I heard GW is further involved, in that his administration has been decreasing the rules for access to this type info- linking many foreign countries and Interpol into the routes to access Passport info and travel info in the Passport files....

If they can access 3 US Senators info- they can get into anyones...


Don't you want to be able to get a handle on who is, and who is NOT an illegal immigrant?

Here are the rules for "REAL ID", straight from the Act:

(b) Minimum Document Requirements- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall include, at a minimum, the following information and features on each driver's license and identification card issued to a person by the State:

(1) The person's full legal name.

(2) The person's date of birth.

(3) The person's gender.

(4) The person's driver's license or identification card number.

(5) A digital photograph of the person.

(6) The person's address of principle residence.

(7) The person's signature.

(8) Physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes.

(9) A common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements.

(c) Minimum Issuance Standards-

(1) IN GENERAL- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall require, at a minimum, presentation and verification of the following information before issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person:

(A) A photo identity document, except that a non-photo identity document is acceptable if it includes both the person's full legal name and date of birth.

(B) Documentation showing the person's date of birth.

(C) Proof of the person's social security account number or verification that the person is not eligible for a social security account number.

(D) Documentation showing the person's name and address of principal residence.

(2) SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS-

(A) IN GENERAL- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall comply with the minimum standards of this paragraph.

(B) EVIDENCE OF LAWFUL STATUS- A State shall require, before issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person, valid documentary evidence that the person--

(i) is a citizen or national of the United States;

(ii) is an alien lawfully admitted for permanent or temporary residence in the United States;

(iii) has conditional permanent resident status in the United States;

(iv) has an approved application for asylum in the United States or has entered into the United States in refugee status;

(v) has a valid, unexpired nonimmigrant visa or nonimmigrant visa status for entry into the United States;

(vi) has a pending application for asylum in the United States;

(vii) has a pending or approved application for temporary protected status in the United States;

(viii) has approved deferred action status; or

(ix) has a pending application for adjustment of status to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States or conditional permanent resident status in the United States.

I don't see why that should be any worry of GW's now- for the last 8 years besides an open door policy, he's all but laid out the welcome mat... :???:

Real ID is a costly unfunded mandate to the states- that will cost even the small states $millions of dollars for the equipment/personell/training to switch over to it -- and that will allow Big Brother to keep a record/database of every where you travel- the places you use your ID for purchasing items with a credit card or check - every bank account you have- every time you access a Federal building or have contact with government, and a running tab on your life...

But like everything else this neocon President has done-money is no object to him as he spends this country into bankruptcy :(

NAIS is the same thing- a huge costly program that if some states had learned how to brand cattle instead of people would be unnecessary!!

And when the Federal Government can't keep the Veterans records, USDA Farm records, Pentagon computers secure- you think they will be able to keep these database's secure.... :???:
 
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