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Birthers ruled Against- AGAIN

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Anonymous

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I've been waiting for Mr. Fair and Impartial- the Hypocrit to post this--but I guess he didn't see it.... :wink:

Finally she ruled that a military court martial is not the forum in which to determine a president's eligibility, because the Constitution says only Congress has the power to impeach and remove the president.

The Judge in this case said exactly what I have been saying all along- the decision on a Presidents eligibility is the job of Congress- and they have already spoken when they verified his election "without even one opposing vote".....

But I doubt that will satisfy "the birther nutso's"... :roll: As they think all government- including the Congress, Courts and now I suppose the Military Courts are out to get them.....

Judge removes 'birther' elements from Army doc's court martial

By the CNN Wire Staff
September 3, 2010 11:10 a.m. EDT

(CNN) -- A judge on Thursday denied a request for President Barack Obama to testify at a court martial for a U.S. Army flight surgeon who refused to deploy to Afghanistan until he saw proof that Obama was born in the United States.

The judge, Army Col. Denise Lind, said any evidence or witnesses related to Obama's citizenship is irrelevant to the charges against Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, who has 17 years of service in the U.S. military.

After failing to deploy with his unit in April, Lakin was charged with missing a movement, disobeying a lawful order and dereliction of duty.

The Uniform Code of Military Justice says the maximum punishment for both offenses -- missing his plane and disobeying lawful orders -- is a dishonorable discharge and up to two years in confinement. A guilty verdict could also result in forfeiture of Lakin's pay, which totals $7,959 a month, according to a charge sheet provided by a group sponsoring his defense.

Lakin's lawyers argued that all military orders stem from the commander-in-chief. Without evidence that Obama is eligible to be president, they say, the doctor's deployment order was illegal.

In addition to putting Obama on their witness list, Lakin's lawyers had asked Lind to order Obama's official birth records from Hawaii be brought to court for trial.

"If the president is ineligible, you need to know that," Lakin's civilian attorney, Paul Jensen, told Lind. "Col. Lakin needs to know that, the government needs to know that, America needs to know that."

The prosecutors in the case argued that Obama's eligibility is not relevant because the officers who ordered Lakin to go to Fort Campbell and then ordered him to answer questions about why he didn't go were his proper superiors in the military chain of command, and they gave him legal orders. Jensen later conceded that point.

The judge ruled that the matter of Obama's eligibility is not relevant because he did not give any orders in the case. She pointed out that while the president is commander-in-chief of the military, it is Congress that is constitutionally empowered to raise armies, pay them and equip them.

Any contention that any orders are invalid if the president is ineligible "is erroneous," the judge said.


Lind also said that military law says that a soldier's personal beliefs or convictions are not sufficient to allow that soldier to determine that an order is illegal. The soldier has to have "no rational doubt" that the order is illegal before he or she can ignore it.

Finally she ruled that a military court martial is not the forum in which to determine a president's eligibility, because the Constitution says only Congress has the power to impeach and remove the president.

Afterward, Jensen said he respected the judge's ruling, but called it distressing.

"It completely deprives us of any opportunity to present a defense in this case," Jensen said.

The court martial is set to begin in October, but Jensen said he's not giving up on the matter of Obama's eligibility.

"We will be giving the Army Court of Criminal Appeals in the next week or two the opportunity to take up the issue, and we are going to fight on for justice to be served in this case."

Lakin is among 27 percent of Americans who doubt or deny that Obama is American-born, according to a recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll. They compose the birther movement, which demands that Obama present a birth certificate signed by the doctor who delivered him in 1961.

CNN and other news organizations have thoroughly debunked the rumors about the president's birthplace. The Obama campaign released a copy of a birth record issued by the state in 2007, called a "certification of live birth," and allowed reporters to examine the document in person in 2008.

Last year, Hawaiian state officials issued a statement that they had personally viewed the president's original Hawaiian birth record, called a "certificate of live birth," and verified it to be authentic. State law bars the release of the original certificate. In addition, two Hawaiian newspapers ran notices in 1961 announcing Obama's birth in the state.
 

Steve

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The Judge in this case said exactly what I have been saying all along- the decision on a Presidents eligibility is the job of Congress- and they have already spoken when they verified his election "without even one opposing vote".....

Law is complicated and often defies common sense and logic..

congress and the courts have made mistakes before,... and just because the "sole" authority rests with them does not make the issue go away..

mainly because no one has ever proved the case based on facts.. only on issues of standing..

so far the only thing ever presented as "proof" was an internet article...

would you base a case decision on an internet article?
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
I've been waiting for Mr. Fair and Impartial- the Hypocrit to post this--but I guess he didn't see it.... :wink:
Finally she ruled that a military court martial is not the forum in which to determine a president's eligibility, because the Constitution says only Congress has the power to impeach and remove the president.

The Judge in this case said exactly what I have been saying all along- the decision on a Presidents eligibility is the job of Congress- and they have already spoken when they verified his election "without even one opposing vote".....

But I doubt that will satisfy "the birther nutso's"... :roll: As they think all government- including the Congress, Courts and now I suppose the Military Courts are out to get them.....

Judge removes 'birther' elements from Army doc's court martial

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Maybe hypo doesn't have time to set on his couch all day and look for ways to say I TOLD YOU SO> and you rerally should have read the article better, that was a military judge she was saying that the military has no dog in the fight! That does not mean it is really over oldtimer,
OH darn I forgot you have PERSONALLY seen the birth certificate :wink: :wink:

EH oldtimer?
 

Lonecowboy

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Oldtimer wrote:

27 percent of Americans who doubt or deny that Obama is American-born, according to a recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll. They compose the birther movement, which demands that Obama present a birth certificate signed by the doctor who delivered him in 1961.

27% WOW! the number keeps going higher higher!
This is because obama keeps getting these things thrown out for technical reasons instead of just meeting it head on and proving up.

Oldtimer wrote:

Without evidence that Obama is eligible to be president,

so still no evidence was given!


So what really happened here? nothing was proven, no evidence was given proving obama eligibility,nothing was revealed except how obama won't prove his eligibility.
 

Steve

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CNN was also at a loss to explain the results of its own biased poll.

58% of Americans cannot say with certainty that Barack Obama is even eligible to be President of the United States...

I guess if asked... I would have to say I don't know, and I can't trust a single (unverified) website article as "proof" ..

n June 2008, Obama's campaign responded to the rumors by releasing his birth certificate via the launch of a website called "Fight the Smears"

FactCheck.org was invited to view the Obama campaign's hard copy of the candidate's Certification of Live Birth

According to CNN's researchers, the original birth certificate no longer exists

so so far the only "proof" is a web article by factcheck.org...
 

hopalong

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Steve you forgot that oldtimer personally saw it and will verify its existance :roll: :roll:

Least he claims to have seen it :wink: :wink:
 

Lonecowboy

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Oltimer wrote:

"the birther nutso's"...

so if your not sure if obamas eligible to be POTUS your a Nutso in ot's definition

Oltimer wrote:

27 percent of Americans who doubt or deny that Obama is American-born
,

so ot thinks 27% of American's are nutso?? :???: :? :?

ant then steve offered this poll:

CNN was also at a loss to explain the results of its own biased poll.

58% of Americans cannot say with certainty that Barack Obama is even eligible to be President of the United States...

so now ot is saying 58% of American's are nutso??
and those numbers come from liberal CNN :???: :???:
So what are the real numbers?? 75%?? that ot thinks is "nutso" :roll: :oops: :oops:
 

Lonecowboy

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Whitewing said:
This issue is really moot anyway. Obama's gonna get run out of town soon enough.


Town might not be far enough- RUN ALL ILLEGAL INVADERS OUT OF OUR COUNTRY-
let them come back through the legal channels already set up.

maybe that is why the dems are so into ammnesty and anchor babies-
might be the only way their acting president can stay in the country.

maybe why obama is fighting Arizona so hard- he might want to go there and Vacation sometime and is afraid he might get arrested for not being able to prove his citizenship! if it catches on in more states he won't be able to leave DC. and he's wearing out his welcome there mighty quickly.
 

Sandhusker

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Then again, he could just bring forward his certificate (as he once promised to do) and end all this, but he won't do it. I wonder why?
 

Larrry

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Sandhusker said:
Then again, he could just bring forward his certificate (as he once promised to do) and end all this, but he won't do it. I wonder why?

Can you imagine how doing that would completely stifle any opposition to him and his agenda.

He'd do it in a heart beat if he could, he can't
 

hypocritexposer

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Finally she ruled that a military court martial is not the forum in which to determine a president's eligibility, because the Constitution says only Congress has the power to impeach and remove the president.

and OT thinks this means that SCOTUS does not have the authority to rule on the matter. :???:

SCOTUS would have every right to rule what a Natural Born Citizen is and then it would be up to Congress to impeach or remove.

But yes, a Court Martial is not the place to rule on Consitutional matters.

Good call OT :roll:
 

Mike

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The judge also said in her opinion that Obama might be "Embarrassed" if any evidence is brought into court.

Yes. she used the word, "Embarrassed".

Read the whole opinion.....................................
 

Steve

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Lind, who took 40 minutes to read her decision to the court, disagreed.

She said opening up such evidence could be an “embarrassment” to the president, and it’s up to Congress to call for impeachment of a sitting president.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB--XdoZ0ZI&feature=player_embedded#!

well it's now on youtube.. and an internet article, by internet experts standards of "proof", that trumps the single internet article proof... :? :???: :shock:
 

hypocritexposer

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Steve said:
Lind, who took 40 minutes to read her decision to the court, disagreed.

She said opening up such evidence could be an “embarrassment” to the president, and it’s up to Congress to call for impeachment of a sitting president.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB--XdoZ0ZI&feature=player_embedded#!

well it's now on youtube.. and an internet article, by internet experts standards of "proof", that trumps the single internet article proof... :? :???: :shock:


Frank's his daddy. :eek: :lol:
 

Steve

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embarrassing..

franks his daddy..,.. kinda makes the first book and narrative seem a bit of a lie.. but the sequel will be a best seller...

he could have been born in Canada.. (or Kenya?)

he could have forged his Selective service card,

he could have stolen someone's Social security number..

many things could be an embarrassment to Obama.. but the current scandal can only be stopped with the truth, and real facts and real evidence.. not a bunch of innuendo and a single internet article.
 

hypocritexposer

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Steve said:
embarrassing..

franks his daddy..,.. kinda makes the first book and narrative seem a bit of a lie.. but the sequel will be a best seller...

he could have been born in Canada.. (or Kenya?)

he could have forged his Selective service card,

he could have stolen someone's Social security number..

many things could be an embarrassment to Obama.. but the current scandal can only be stopped with the truth, and real facts and real evidence.. not a bunch of innuendo and a single internet article.


I believe in his book he called someone "pops", but it was not clear whether he was talking about his grandfather of Frank Marshall Davis (the pedophile)


Decrypting Obama's 'Pop'

Obama speaks about that relationship in his 1995 memoir, Dreams From My Father, but its deeper secrets may well be encrypted in a 1981 poem attributed to Obama called "Pop," arguably the Rosetta Stone of the Obama psyche.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/decrypting_obamas_pop.html


Pop takes another shot, neat,


Points out the same amber


Stain on his shorts that I've got on mine, and


Makes me smell his smell, coming


From me ...



... as he grows small,


A spot in my brain, something


That may be squeezed out, like a


Watermelon seed between


Two fingers.
 
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