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Black Market Still Thrives For Pot In Colorado

Mike

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Hmmmmmm. I thought legalizing it would solve those problems?

Just because marijuana is legal in Colorado doesn’t mean the black market for the drug has disappeared. Rather, the opposite, police officials said.

“[Legalization] has done nothing more than enhance the opportunity for the black market,” said Lt. Mark Comte of the Colorado Springs police vice and narcotics unit, in The Associated Press. “If you can get it tax-free on the corner, you’re going to get it on the corner.”

Police are concerned that recent escalations in violence are tied to the legal recreational pot sales market. But their fears are only based on anecdotal evidence; nobody in state or federal government agencies is tracking the numbers of violent crimes that are tied to the marijuana market, AP reported.

Still others outside of the police community say concerns are unfounded, and that any black market residual will disappear once more stores open and the supply-demand curve is more balanced.

“It’s just a transition period,” said pro-pot activist Brian Vicente, in the AP report. “Marijuana was illegal for the last 80 years in our state, and there are some remnants of that still around. Certainly, much like alcohol, over time these underground dealers will fade away.”

Yet Washington police say they’re prepping for similar black market impacts in their state,

“There’s going to be a black market here,” said Cmdr. Pat Slack of the Snohomish Regional Drug/Gang Task Force, outside Seattle, in the AP report. “There will be drug rip-offs and the drug debts that haven’t been paid. All of that is going to stay.”


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smalltime

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It will solve it in time,but you have to remember that the black market dealers oppose legalization more strongly than anyone.
 

Triangle Bar

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smalltime said:
It will solve it in time,but you have to remember that the black market dealers oppose legalization more strongly than anyone.

I'm not so sure of the that. Here in Colorado, only a small fraction of what is being sold can be accounted for by legalized grow operations and in house grows. The overwhelming supply is being smuggled in by the drug cartels. Legalization here has provided a huge market for their products (not just MJ) and a jumping off point to smuggle into the surrounding states.

It is a sad commentary on society when there is such a demand for mind altering drugs for the people to find solace in.
 

Larrry

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Colorado is in complete chaos over this. But what the heck the politicians are so addicted to tax money they could care less.
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Traveler

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Smoking weed is okay. Not paying taxes on it will be prosecuted. :roll: Gay marriage is acceptable. Methane emissions and wood stove smoke are deadly. :roll:
 

Broke Cowboy

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Mike said:
Hmmmmmm. I thought legalizing it would solve those problems?

Just because marijuana is legal in Colorado doesn’t mean the black market for the drug has disappeared. Rather, the opposite, police officials said.

“[Legalization] has done nothing more than enhance the opportunity for the black market,” said Lt. Mark Comte of the Colorado Springs police vice and narcotics unit, in The Associated Press. “If you can get it tax-free on the corner, you’re going to get it on the corner.”

Police are concerned that recent escalations in violence are tied to the legal recreational pot sales market. But their fears are only based on anecdotal evidence; nobody in state or federal government agencies is tracking the numbers of violent crimes that are tied to the marijuana market, AP reported.

Still others outside of the police community say concerns are unfounded, and that any black market residual will disappear once more stores open and the supply-demand curve is more balanced.

“It’s just a transition period,” said pro-pot activist Brian Vicente, in the AP report. “Marijuana was illegal for the last 80 years in our state, and there are some remnants of that still around. Certainly, much like alcohol, over time these underground dealers will fade away.”

Yet Washington police say they’re prepping for similar black market impacts in their state,

“There’s going to be a black market here,” said Cmdr. Pat Slack of the Snohomish Regional Drug/Gang Task Force, outside Seattle, in the AP report. “There will be drug rip-offs and the drug debts that haven’t been paid. All of that is going to stay.”


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/4/marijuana-black-market-still-thrives-colorado-wher/#ixzz2y2yo5JBb
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Mike

Personally I think Colorado took the limp wristed, pink underwear way out.

Someone lights up in my house or on my property - prescription, legal or black market - I will solve the problem.

And be happy if it is just a baseball bat that I use. Guarantee you that person will lose the use of their arms and possibly legs for a few months before I am done.

Do it on the job and I will watch the doors and windows while my boys do an even better job on the user.

And THAT is how you cut down on illegitimate use of drugs.

Not by sending them to sensitivity school so the user can get in touch with his inner feelings.

I like to see people bring those feelings right to the forefront - and you know something - I do not feel one bit guilty - pain is a wonderful teacher.

Cheers

bc
 

burnt

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Broke Cowboy said:
Mike said:
Hmmmmmm. I thought legalizing it would solve those problems?

Just because marijuana is legal in Colorado doesn’t mean the black market for the drug has disappeared. Rather, the opposite, police officials said.

“[Legalization] has done nothing more than enhance the opportunity for the black market,” said Lt. Mark Comte of the Colorado Springs police vice and narcotics unit, in The Associated Press. “If you can get it tax-free on the corner, you’re going to get it on the corner.”

Police are concerned that recent escalations in violence are tied to the legal recreational pot sales market. But their fears are only based on anecdotal evidence; nobody in state or federal government agencies is tracking the numbers of violent crimes that are tied to the marijuana market, AP reported.

Still others outside of the police community say concerns are unfounded, and that any black market residual will disappear once more stores open and the supply-demand curve is more balanced.

“It’s just a transition period,” said pro-pot activist Brian Vicente, in the AP report. “Marijuana was illegal for the last 80 years in our state, and there are some remnants of that still around. Certainly, much like alcohol, over time these underground dealers will fade away.”

Yet Washington police say they’re prepping for similar black market impacts in their state,

“There’s going to be a black market here,” said Cmdr. Pat Slack of the Snohomish Regional Drug/Gang Task Force, outside Seattle, in the AP report. “There will be drug rip-offs and the drug debts that haven’t been paid. All of that is going to stay.”


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/4/marijuana-black-market-still-thrives-colorado-wher/#ixzz2y2yo5JBb
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Mike

Personally I think Colorado took the limp wristed, pink underwear way out.

Someone lights up in my house or on my property - prescription, legal or black market - I will solve the problem.

And be happy if it is just a baseball bat that I use. Guarantee you that person will lose the use of their arms and possibly legs for a few months before I am done.

Do it on the job and I will watch the doors and windows while my boys do an even better job on the user.

And THAT is how you cut down on illegitimate use of drugs.

Not by sending them to sensitivity school so the user can get in touch with his inner feelings.

I like to see people bring those feelings right to the forefront - and you know something - I do not feel one bit guilty - pain is a wonderful teacher.

Cheers

bc

So, you have not likely ever had to try "Plan B"? :lol2:
 

Broke Cowboy

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I work in an industry that we all trust others with our lives on a daily basis - I do not believe in plan B

I believe in solving it right from the start - up front and real.

Cheers

bc
 
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Problem is we have been working on Plan A, "The War on Drugs" for 40 years- and we keep losing more ground every day....
Another lost war because the politicians kept sticking their nose into it...
 

Larrry

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Oldtimer said:
Problem is we have been working on Plan A, "The War on Drugs" for 40 years- and we keep losing more ground every day....
Another lost war because the politicians kept sticking their nose into it...

The war on drugs started with good intentions of some
It's just typical that it turns I to a way for government raging out of control and trampling on people's right and confiscating money from citizens
Then leaving states and immunities in turmoil
 

Steve

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sometimes you have to look down the road a bit and realize you are fighting the wrong fight.


I am not "for" legalization of pot..

I am not for legalization of cocaine, codeine, vicodin.

I am not for the legalization of meth, adderall,

but right now we have a problem way worse then all these combined...

Heroin is an unforgiving drug.. and it is cheap and easy to get..


so are all the new drugs, Bath Salts, DMT, spice ect.. and all the old.. LSD ect, and anything new they come up with that I am to old to find out about until it is already a problem.

these drugs are cheap and easy to get access to.. and kids are stupid and do not realize the 20 year old addict making it isn't very good at it..

we can not control the problem.. our government is unwilling to control the problem,..

When i was a kid,.. cigs, pot and beer was cheap and easy.. if a kid was going to try something it was those two.. and maybe something they stole from their parents liqueur cabinet..

but today these basement made drugs, heroin, meth, and crack are the cheap easy to get drugs.. in fact for some it is easy to get then cigarettes.

look at the skittles, cough syrup and watermelon drink Travon was on.. Drank...

reality is kids are experimenting ..always have always will..

in my day it was cigs, pot and beer..

and some idiots huffed..
Inhalant users inhale vapor or aerosol propellant gases using plastic bags held over the mouth or by breathing from a solvent-soaked rag or an open container. The effects of inhalants range from an alcohol-like intoxication and intense euphoria to vivid hallucinations, depending on the substance and the dosage. Some inhalant users are injured due to the harmful effects of the solvents or gases or due to other chemicals used in the products that they are inhaling.

in others days it was alcohol,.. or opiates.. valium (mother's little helper")
Mother's Little Helper - The History of Amphetamines.

From 1935 when Benzadrine Sulfate first appeared to entice doctors to prescribe amphetamines to housebound women tired of their daily drudgery, through chemical manipulation and rebranding into the fastest selling drugs to children and young adults, the history, evolution and morphology of amphetamine usage in America is eye-opening. Find out how this category of chemicals, banned for sale to adults due to its health hazards and addictive qualities for weight loss and improved mood in the '60s, is now the leading prescription medication for ADD and ADHD in children and the drug of choice for high school and college students across America.
http://www.wellcorps.com/Mothers-Little-Helper-The-History-of-Amphetamine-and-Anti-Depressant-Use-in-America.html

adderall, is not just the drug for choice for kids looking for an edge to work better faster either..

Today amphetamine use in the military continues under the current market name of Adderall. Dextroamphetamine is dispensed by the Air Force to keep pilots awake and alert on long missions. Air Force pilots must sign a form called "Informed Consent for Use of Dextroamphetamine as a 'Go Pill' in Military Operations." Although taking the drug is not technically mandatory, as the form states, a refusal to sign the form could result in a commander designating them as 'unfit to fly a given mission'.

One big problem with “go pills”? After taking them, soldiers need a way to come down, and fast. Which explains why military doctors dole out “no-go pills,” like Ambien.

it is not a good mix.. In my opinion,.. and it is just an opinion,.. if you researched sleep drugs,.. such as ambian,.. antidepressants/anti-psychotics such as risperidone,.. and a few other prescription drugs, you would find a long line of binge killers who were on them or a combination of them.. or just came off a combination of them..

these are nasty drugs in my opinion .. and are make up a deadly combination.

so while our government,.. jails pot users, a or a guy with to many pain killers.. or a doctor who prescribed a few to many of them in a year..

for me I will live with some of the pain instead of taking pain medications on a regular basis..

I am not saying we should be doling out pot to kids.. but compared to what they are taking.. it is much safer...

I am not saying we should sell pain meds at the drug store either..


but at least with prescription drugs there is some quality and dosage control ..

there is so much crap out there that our society is using to get high or medicate on .. that we need to re-think our drug policy..

drug use isn't anything new...

ask anyone in a nursing home and they will probably know of at least a few patients who were upstanding citizens and now suffer the long term effects of drug use..


it is sad,... liberals will not let US take Broke Cowboy's tried and proven method.. so we as conservative must find a better answer ..
 

Steve

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It's just typical that it turns in to a way for government raging out of control and trampling on people's right and confiscating money from citizens
Then leaving states and communities in turmoil

few in the federal government understand the US's drug problem..

our local police carry naloxone,..

one police friend put it this way... heroin is cheaper then potting soil..

many do not want to carry it.. thinking one more dead drug abuser isn't always a bad thing.. but realize it may be a kid who tried it for the first time.. so they do..

we have a drug problem. and a DEA spending to much time fighting pot and prescription drugs to go after the heroin and other easy to make drugs our country is flooded with..

and our FDA is so worried about some old fart like me having a heart attack.. then to look at the dangerous deadly drug combinations that exist..

and we have the ATF handing out guns to drug gangs while raiding homes for an old hunting rifle..

those in charge at the federal government are either dumber then a board or more dangerous then anyone could imagine...
 

Mike

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Problem is we have been working on Plan A, "The War on Drugs" for 40 years- and we keep losing more ground every day....
Another lost war because the politicians kept sticking their nose into it...

Rhetoric.......You do not know how many people have been denied drugs by the DEA & Local Law in the war on drugs.

When your grand kids get hold to some poison "meth", then tell us how fruitless the war on drugs is........

But we all know you don't live in the real world of real happenings.
 

Mike

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From the Ft. Peck Journal:
Oh yeah, the Big Muddy Drug Task Force lost their funding from the Montana Board of Crime Control. When contacted, Sheriff Freedom Crawford laughed and said he wasn't going to say anything before hanging up. The funding was taken away because the task force wasn't filing reports about how the money was spent.
 
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Mike said:
From the Ft. Peck Journal:
Oh yeah, the Big Muddy Drug Task Force lost their funding from the Montana Board of Crime Control. When contacted, Sheriff Freedom Crawford laughed and said he wasn't going to say anything before hanging up. The funding was taken away because the task force wasn't filing reports about how the money was spent.

You know Sheriff Freedom? He reminds me of what an Alabama type Sheriff would be....
Maybe the reason there is something like 7 (or maybe 11) running against him... :???: I was talking to one of that counties commissioners the other day- and he was chuckling at the joke of an election old Freedom had brought upon himself...

After the election I'm sure the Big Muddy will be back up and running- since it was around since the 70's- until Freedom screwed it up... And since it was named for a gal named Canadian Tam's backyard.......

Reminds me Mike- I again talked to Greg about the Singer- and he says you never have called him about it.... :roll:
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
From the Ft. Peck Journal:
Oh yeah, the Big Muddy Drug Task Force lost their funding from the Montana Board of Crime Control. When contacted, Sheriff Freedom Crawford laughed and said he wasn't going to say anything before hanging up. The funding was taken away because the task force wasn't filing reports about how the money was spent.

You know Sheriff Freedom? He reminds me of what an Alabama type Sheriff would be....
Maybe the reason there is something like 7 (or maybe 11) running against him... :???: I was talking to one of that counties commissioners the other day- and he was chuckling at the joke of an election old Freedom had brought upon himself...

After the election I'm sure the Big Muddy will be back up and running- since it was around since the 70's- until Freedom screwed it up... And since it was named for a gal named Canadian Tam's backyard.......

Reminds me Mike- I again talked to Greg about the Singer- and he says you never have called him about it.... :roll:

I talked to Vern. That was enough for me. :lol:
 
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Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
From the Ft. Peck Journal:

You know Sheriff Freedom? He reminds me of what an Alabama type Sheriff would be....
Maybe the reason there is something like 7 (or maybe 11) running against him... :???: I was talking to one of that counties commissioners the other day- and he was chuckling at the joke of an election old Freedom had brought upon himself...

After the election I'm sure the Big Muddy will be back up and running- since it was around since the 70's- until Freedom screwed it up... And since it was named for a gal named Canadian Tam's backyard.......

Reminds me Mike- I again talked to Greg about the Singer- and he says you never have called him about it.... :roll:

I talked to Vern. That was enough for me. :lol:

Yep- I since saw Vern too- and you did talk to him...But he would know nothing of the gun because Greg said he didn't take it to him... But Greg (who was a .45 Auto man) remembers more of the Singer than I had ...
 

Mike

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
You know Sheriff Freedom? He reminds me of what an Alabama type Sheriff would be....
Maybe the reason there is something like 7 (or maybe 11) running against him... :???: I was talking to one of that counties commissioners the other day- and he was chuckling at the joke of an election old Freedom had brought upon himself...

After the election I'm sure the Big Muddy will be back up and running- since it was around since the 70's- until Freedom screwed it up... And since it was named for a gal named Canadian Tam's backyard.......

Reminds me Mike- I again talked to Greg about the Singer- and he says you never have called him about it.... :roll:

I talked to Vern. That was enough for me. :lol:

Yep- I since saw Vern too- and you did talk to him...But he would know nothing of the gun because Greg said he didn't take it to him... But Greg (who was a .45 Auto man) remembers more of the Singer than I had ...

Why don't you change your story a few more times? :lol:
 

Larrry

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oh the dilemna we face here

Believe Mike, a straight shooter or a proven LIAR.

Sorry ot you lose, your reputation did you in.
 
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