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ranchwife said:
Good evening.....this is RANCHWIFE!! Now, maybe you know why we do not discuss politics in this house :wink: :wink: :wink: Gotta love a 16 year old who is not afraid to speak her mind....even if she knows she's gonna catch hell!! :?

ranchwife- for about 30 years now, the local high school holds a vote the week before all the national and local elections-- I think its been almost 100% that the kids predict exactly how the community vote will go... They seem to have a real knowledge for how the community feels..... :)
 

Steve

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why should she catch hell, it's not like she didn't Identify herself and say what was on her mind...



but although the state and local governments haven't done much to help the katrina catastrophy, I believe Bush should have stepped up and did something sooner... so no... I don't believe it was all Bush's fault... but as OUR leader... he should have done made a better effort

while there is plenty of blame to pass around, from the street thugs, the Mayor, who did little, the governor who stalled in calling in help,,,to Fema that was not prepeared for the scale of the levees that broke, in my view it is appearant that had any one of the leaders actually lead this would not have happened..

Had the people headed the mayors weak warning to leave if you could, they would not have been caught in the waters path...

Had the Mayor actually enforced his partial evacuation,,,or at least provided transportation out of the area,,,,few would have been left in New Orleans, (other towns actually did forced Mandatory evacuations and had none of the problems on the scale of New Orleans)..

Had the governor not stalled in letting the military come in at the onset of the Hurricane the lawlessness could have been Quelled,, or at least minimised,

The list could go on but it is crucial to remember, that when people fail to head warnings, at all levels of Goverment, disaster will follow,,,,,

In after thought it shows that the best organization is one with a clear chain of command and the only goverment organization with one is the US Military,,,who should be commended for again stepping up and getting the Job done........................
 

CattleCo

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IT WAS A NATURAL DISASTER>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>People get hurt, People DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can only do so much.......AND THE DAMM BLACKS WERE ACTING LIKE RAGHEAD TERRORIST!!!!!!!!!! THOSE ARE THE ASSHOLES THAT COST LIVES......DEAL WITH IT! The President has done as good as he can................IT IS NOT A PERFECT WORLD!!!! :roll:
 

Disagreeable

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ranchwife said:
this is ranchwifes 16 yr. old daughter :oops: , and my personal opinion probably doesn't matter much... but although the state and local governments haven't done much to help the katrina catastrophy, i believe bush should have stepped up and did something sooner... so no... i don't believe it was all bush's fault... but as OUR leader... he should have done made a better effort (as he did in the tsunami incident, for which i was very impressed) :clap: :clap:

The younger generation is our hope. Welcome to the board. Why don't you create a "handle" for yourself and join us on a regular basis? I'll bet your mom is secretly proud of you, even if she doesn't agree.
 

Disagreeable

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:) I thought all those who have bashing the Mayor of New Orleans would be greatful for this bit of information from Wikipedia.org: (link below; my emphasis):

"Ray Nagin:
Before his election, Nagin was a member of the Republican Party and had little political experience; he was a vice president and general manager at Cox Communications, a cable communications company and subsidiary of Cox Enterprises. Nagin did give contributions periodically to candidates, namely President George W. Bush and former Republican U.S. Representative Billy Tauzin in 1999 and 2000, as well as to Democratic U.S. Senators John Breaux and J. Bennett Johnston earlier in the decade.
Days before filing for the New Orleans Mayoral race in February 2002, Nagin switched his party registration to the Democratic Party. Shortly before the primary election, an endorsement praising Nagin as a reformer by Gambit Magazine gave him crucial momentum that would carry through for the primary election and runoff. In the first round of the crowded mayoral election in February 2002, Nagin received first place with 29% of the vote, against such opponents as Police Chief Richard Pennington, State Senator Paulette Irons, City Councilman Troy Carter and others. In the runoff with Pennington in May 2002, Nagin won with 59% of the vote. His campaign was largely self-financed.
Shortly after taking office, Nagin launched an anti-corruption campaign within city government, which included crackdowns on the city's Taxicab Bureau and Utilities Department. Nagin also made a controversial endorsement of current Republican U.S. Representative Bobby Jindal in the 2003 Louisiana Gubernatorial Runoff over current Democratic Governor Kathleen Blanco, and only reluctantly endorsed U.S. Senator John Kerry in the 2004 Presidential race....



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagin
 

Liberty Belle

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Did you think we are bashing Nagin just because he is a black Democrat, for Pete’s sake? He and Gov. Blanco are not only incompetent; they refuse to accept any responsibility for their almost criminal dereliction of duty. Oh, and it may have escaped your notice, dis. Blanco is WHITE. Race has nothing to do with this tragedy. Not protecting the folks who put you in a position of authority does.

Here's a story of a black kid who saw what needed to be done and did it. Too bad there weren't more like him to drive out all those buses the mayor left sitting in the parking lots while the levees were breaking and the water was rising.

The Hull of a Slave Ship
September 9th, 2005

As America watched the human tragedy unfold in New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, two distinct classifications of humanity emerged: the doers and the doees.

20 year old Jabbar Gibson took (looted, found) a bus from a school bus depot, and en route out of the city proceeded to fill it to capacity with folks of all sorts, driving it to Houston, pooling the passengers' money to refuel it along the way. Jabbar took responsibility for sixty to eighty New Orleans victims of hurricane Katrina. Yet the world watched New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin as he couldn't even take responsibility for himself.

As has been noted ceaselessly in the media, the majority of those left behind as New Orleans sank into an ever-worsening calamity, both environmental and human, were black. "So poor… and so black" as Wolf Blitzer now famously stated. The Reverend Jesse Jackson, in classic form, baited, saying,
"This looks like the hull of a slave ship."
The allusion is more real than he imagined.

It has also been said that those who remained did not have the means to leave. But as New Orleans filled up like a cauldron and the need turned from weathering the fierce power of a hurricane to fleeing a doomed city, Jabbar Gibson demonstrated that they most certainly did have the means.

The poor of New Orleans corralled at the Superdome and the Convention Center were assured and confident, at first, that the government (many prefacing that word with "Federal") would deliver them and take care of them. After all, that's what they had been led to believe. This turned to bewilderment as their hallowed governmental savior failed to appear, then to frustration and despair, and finally into utter and miserable helplessness.

As the helpless crowd milled and waited and sank into anarchy, yes, appallingly, it did resemble the hull of a slave ship. And it was you, Reverend Jackson, and your ilk who enslaved them.

Following the emancipation of slaves throughout the United States in the 19th century, many slaves opted voluntarily to remain with their former owners. Why? With no way to make a living in the world on their own, or the prospect of doing so incomprehensible or too daunting, remaining where they were offered the food, shelter, and protection they needed and on which (and this is key) they had come to depend.

When faced with freedom, some slaves chose to remain. When faced with the mounting danger, some New Orleans residents chose to remain. Both from dependency. A chilling comparison.

Jabbar Gibson was able to keep himself from being enslaved by the likes of Jesse Jackson. Thousands of others were not. Jabbar is a hero, make no mistake about it. My own personal definition of a hero is simply, "someone who does something that no one else has the guts to do." He is, indeed, a hero. But what sorry state of human civilization is this in which an act of what should be simple common sense is heroic?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the following equation: bus + keys = escape. It was obviously beyond the capacity for Mayor Ray Nagin, but not for Jabbar Gibson. Jabbar rescued dozens of people. Could it be possible that not one in eighty could have the wherewithal to gather as many people as possible and flee the city? Could it be that not one in 50,000 had the wherewithal or initiative to organize crude sorties to get people out? Whatever the numbers, the fact remains that the Mayor, like many of those in his city after the flood, did not do this, expecting the Federal Government to rescue them. Demanding to any camera near to hand that the Federal Government rescue them.

Toward the end, road blocks were erected to prevent people from leaving. This was reasonable and right, since the road blocks went up preparatory to imminent evacuation – which came in mere hours. Had the thousands of people in the city left of their own accord then, it would have made the task of evacuating them monumentally more difficult. Before this, though, all they had to do was leave. They took shelter in the Superdome to escape Katrina's destructive fury. No one had to stay in the Superdome after Katrina had passed on.

Litters could have been fashioned from clothes (nobody was in danger of freezing) for those unable to move themselves, and the citizens of the city, led by the Mayor or not, could have mobilized any buses that were still drivable and evacuated the city themselves rather than standing paralyzed waiting for the deific government to do it for them.

What prevents someone from taking what should be the simple initiative that Jabbar did? The answer is, quite simply, that such a notion has never been instilled into their world view. It has been drummed into them from birth that the government will take care of it. Whatever "it" is. Incapable of doing something as simple as Jabbar did, or even the more simple act of walking out of the city on their own two feet when the situation grew from desperate to dire, a lifetime of policies of entitlement has shackled them in mental and spiritual chains, enslaving them in the hull of the Reverend Jackson's slave ship.


Shelby H. Williams


Check this link for more about what this young BLACK man did, on his own, to save a bus load of his fellow citizens while his mayor and his governor sat on their hands:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/topstory2/3334317
 

nenmrancher

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Here is an interesting bit of video that shows just how good the police in New Orleans are, and a short article about whats going on.



If you haven't already seen it, you might want to check out the link to the video below---FD
http://thewesterner.blogspot.com/
The Westerner
Friday, September 09, 2005


NEWS ROUNDUP will not appear until later today.



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New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms as Water Recedes

Waters were receding across this flood-beaten city today as police officers began confiscating weapons, including legally registered firearms, from civilians in preparation for a mass forced evacuation of the residents still living here. No civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns or other firearms, said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said. But that order apparently does not apply to hundreds of security guards hired by businesses and some wealthy individuals to protect property. The guards, employees of private security companies like Blackwater, openly carry M-16's and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons. Nearly two weeks after the floods began, New Orleans has turned into an armed camp, patrolled by thousands of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers, as well as National Guard troops and active-duty soldiers. While armed looters roamed unchecked last week, the city is now calm. No arrests were made on Wednesday night or this morning, and the police received only 10 calls for service, a police spokesman said....

Go here for a video of the New Orleans police looting a Walmart Store.

http://thewesterner.blogspot.com/
 

Liberty Belle

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Looks to me like FEMA was more on top of things than all the politicians in New Orleans and Louisiana. Read this carefully and then note the date:

Prescience from National Geographic:

The Louisiana bayou, hardest working marsh in America, is in big trouble—with dire consequences for residents, the nearby city of New Orleans, and seafood lovers everywhere.

It was a broiling August afternoon in New Orleans, Louisiana, the Big Easy, the City That Care Forgot. Those who ventured outside moved as if they were swimming in tupelo honey. Those inside paid silent homage to the man who invented air-conditioning as they watched TV "storm teams" warn of a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. Nothing surprising there: Hurricanes in August are as much a part of life in this town as hangovers on Ash Wednesday.

But the next day the storm gathered steam and drew a bead on the city. As the whirling maelstrom approached the coast, more than a million people evacuated to higher ground. Some 200,000 remained, however—the car-less, the homeless, the aged and infirm, and those die-hard New Orleanians who look for any excuse to throw a party.

The storm hit Breton Sound with the fury of a nuclear warhead, pushing a deadly storm surge into Lake Pontchartrain. The water crept to the top of the massive berm that holds back the lake and then spilled over. Nearly 80 percent of New Orleans lies below sea level—more than eight feet below in places—so the water poured in. A liquid brown wall washed over the brick ranch homes of Gentilly, over the clapboard houses of the Ninth Ward, over the white-columned porches of the Garden District, until it raced through the bars and strip joints on Bourbon Street like the pale rider of the Apocalypse. As it reached 25 feet (eight meters) over parts of the city, people climbed onto roofs to escape it.

Thousands drowned in the murky brew that was soon contaminated by sewage and industrial waste. Thousands more who survived the flood later perished from dehydration and disease as they waited to be rescued. It took two months to pump the city dry, and by then the Big Easy was buried under a blanket of putrid sediment, a million people were homeless, and 50,000 were dead. It was the worst natural disaster in the history of the United States.

When did this calamity happen? It hasn't—yet. But the doomsday scenario is not far-fetched. The Federal Emergency Management Agency lists a hurricane strike on New Orleans as one of the most dire threats to the nation, up there with a large earthquake in California or a terrorist attack on New York City. Even the Red Cross no longer opens hurricane shelters in the city, claiming the risk to its workers is too great.

From a National Geographic article, 2004.
 

Liberty Belle

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Another one for you dis....

NOT MUCH TRACTION WITH THE ABUSE
By Wesley Pruden

George W. finally gets it in more ways than one. The tardy president was back on the Gulf Coast yesterday, bucking up the spirits of the damned and stiffening the resolve of the slackers.

He's getting it as well from his critics, many of whom can't believe
their great good luck that a hurricane, of all things, finally gives them the opening they've been waiting for to heap calumny and scorn on him for something that might get a little traction. Cindy Sheehan is yesterday's news; she couldn't attract a camera crew this morning if she stripped down to her step-ins for a march on Prairie Chapel Ranch.

The vultures of the venomous left are attacking on two fronts, first
that the president didn't do what the incompetent mayor of New Orleans and the pouty governor of Louisiana should have done, and didn't, in the early hours after Katrina loosed the deluge on the city that care and good judgment forgot. Ray Nagin, the mayor, ordered a "mandatory" evacuation a day late, but kept the city's 2,000 school buses parked and locked in neat rows when there was still time to take the refugees to higher ground. The bright-yellow buses sit ruined now in four feet of dirty water. Then the governor, Kathleen Blanco, resisted early pleas to declare martial law, and her dithering opened the way for looters, rapists and killers to make New Orleans an unholy hell. Gov. Haley Barbour did not hesitate in neighboring Mississippi, and looters, rapists and killers have not turned the streets of Gulfport and Biloxi into killing fields.

The drumbeat of partisan ingratitude continues even after the president
flooded the city with National Guardsmen from a dozen states, paratroopers from Fort Bragg and Marines from the Atlantic and the Pacific. The flutter and chatter of the helicopters above the ghostly abandoned city, some of them from as far away as Singapore and averaging 240 missions a day, is eerily reminiscent of the last days of Saigon. Nevertheless, Sen. Mary Landrieu, who seems to think she's cute when she's mad, even threatened on national television to punch out the president, a felony, by the way, even as a threat. Mayor Nagin, who you might think would be looking for a place to hide, and Gov. Blanco, nursing a big time snit, can't find the right word of thanks to a nation pouring out its heart and emptying its pockets. Maybe the senator should consider punching out the governor, only a misdemeanor.

The race hustlers waited for three days to inflame a tense situation,
but then set to work with their usual dedication. The Revs. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, our self-appointed twin ambassadors of ill will, made the scene as soon as they could, taking up the coded cry that Katrina was the work of white folks, that a shortage of white looters and snipers made looting and sniping look like black crime, that calling the refugees "refugees" was an act of linguistic racism. A "civil rights activist" on Arianna Huffington's celebrity blog even floated the rumor that the starving folks abandoned in New Orleans had been forced to eat their dead after only four days. New Orleans has a reputation for its unusual cuisine, but this tale was so tall that nobody paid it much attention. Neither did anyone tell the tale-bearer to put a dirty sock in it.

Condi Rice went to the scene to say what everyone can see for himself,
that no one but the race hustlers imagine Americans of any hue attaching strings to the humanitarian aid pouring into the broken and bruised cities of the Gulf. Most of the suffering faces in the flickering television images are black, true enough, and most of the helping hands are white.

Black and white churches of all denominations across a wide swath of
the South stretching from Texas across Arkansas and Louisiana into
Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama and Georgia turned their Sunday schools into kitchens and dormitories. In Memphis, Junior Leaguers turned out for baby-sitting duty at the city's largest, most fashionable and nearly all white Baptist church, cradling tiny black infants in compassionate arms so their mothers could finally sleep. The owner of a honky-tonk showed up to ask whether the church would "accept money from a bar." A pastor took $1,400, some of it in quarters, dimes and nickels, with grateful thanks and a promise to see that it is spent wisely on the deserving, most of whom are black.

The first polls, no surprise, show the libels are not working. A
Washington Post-ABC survey found that the president is not seen as the
villain the nutcake left is trying to make him out to be. Americans,
skeptical as ever, are believing their own eyes.

Washington Times
Wesley Pruden is editor in chief of The Times.
 

Disagreeable

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The first polls, no surprise, show the libels are not working. A Washington Post-ABC survey found that the president is not seen as the
villain the nutcake left is trying to make him out to be. Americans,
skeptical as ever, are believing their own eyes.

No libel here, just the facts for every person in the world with a TV set to see: thousands of American citizens begging for help and their government not responding. You can blame them, insult them, ignore them, but they were American citizens clearly left to die by the policies of this Administration. Early polls actually showed an increase in Bush's popularity, but today this is a total spin because the polls do show that Bush is being blamed (rightly) not for the hurricane, but for the lack of response afterwards. I've posted two polls and today I'm happy to post another. So spin away, but the buck stops at the President's desk and George W. Bush is setting behind that desk.
 

nr

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I have a gripe against those who refuse to evacuate when directed, then expect help and endanger the rescue folks later.

My husb. heard of a clever approach used in New Jersey: when a person refuses to evacuate he is handed a magic marker and told to write his social security number on his body parts for easier identification and notification of relatives after the storm clean up.
This is quite a convincer.
 

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