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British Sailors.

P Joe

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=447110&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490

I'm just wondering why they didn't just get on their boat and leave. If it was me, I don't think I would stick around and "reason" with them. And I don't think, they would have been too open for a chase. And besides, what did they have for weapons on their boat? Super Soakers????
 

P Joe

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kolanuraven said:
You must be related to Custer!

That comment doesn't suprise me. You're a democrat! You would have done the democratic thing and tried to reason with 6 war boats. :roll: :roll: Maybe they want to have a spot of tea! :roll: :roll:

I think, no, I know I would have been on my boat speeding towards my "bigger" warboat with guns a blazing. I would doubt that they would have followed anyways. Either way, I would have chanced being shot to being captured. They are just lucky that Iran got more use out of the mockery they made rather than just shooting them.
 

kolanuraven

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Yadda....yadda...yadda....big bad man in the middle of SD fightin' a war half war around the world from his Lazy Boy!!

Yeah, I take that back...you favor GW Bush more!!

My guess that IF you were there....you'd have to burn your pants cause they'd never come clean!!!!

How stupid of you to wish those Brits DEAD--which is what would have happened according to their statements-- doing something they apparently felt would have been a foolish move.


You got so many plans and ideas...when does YOUR boat leave for Iraq???
 

Mrs.Greg

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PJoe...I support soldiers from Canada,GB and US,I would NEVER EVER put any of these soldiers down like you just did,READ this article and see what you think.

The men appeared at the press conference in Devon, England and were welcomed with applause.

"It's great to see all our families and we're just overjoyed to be back," said Lt. Felix Carman, of the British Royal Navy.

Carman explained that the crew was seized while on a mission that "was meant to be a routine boarding operation which followed 66 similar boarding operations in the previous four weeks."

"We approached an unidentified merchant vessel... we carried out completely compliant boarding... (that was) in complete accordance with our UN mandate," said Carman.

"Let me make it absolutely clear, irrespective of what was said in the past, when we were detained by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard we were inside internationally recognized Iraqi territorial waters and I can clearly state that we were 1.7 nautical miles from Iranian waters."

Iran claims the personnel had illegally crossed into Iranian waters.

Cpt. Chris Air of the British Royal Marines said during the boarding operation that two Iranian speed boats approached.

"When we tried to leave they prevented us by blocking us in, by now it was becoming increasingly clear they arrived with a planned intent," said Air. "Some of the Iranian sailors were becoming deliberately aggressive and unstable... we realized that our efforts to reason with these people were not making any headway.

"It was at this point that we realized that had we resisted there would have been a major fight -- one which we could not have won -- and with consequences that would have major strategic impacts."

Air said the crew made a conscious decision to surrender.

While in custody, the crew confirmed that they were blindfolded, bound and placed in isolation.

They also said that they suffered "constant psychological pressure" at the hands of the Iranians.

"We were interrogated most nights and given two options. If we admitted that we had strayed, we would be back on a plane to the U.K. pretty soon. If we didn't, we faced up to seven years in prison," they said in their statement.

The only female of the crew, Faye Turney, --who was shown apologizing on Iranian television -- believed she was alone, said Air.

"She was under the impression for about four days that she was the only one there," he said. "She coped admirably and has maintained a lot of dignity."

Return from Iran

The Royal Navy crew, which included one female, arrived back on British soil Thursday after 13 days in Iranian custody.

On Wednesday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made the surprise announcement that the personnel would be released as an Easter gift to the U.K.

He said Iran was well within its rights to press criminal charges against the sailors and launch legal proceedings, but had decided not to do so.

Instead he ordered them to return home and celebrate Easter, as well as the birthday of the Prophet Muhammad on April 30.

After the announcement, many of the crew members were shown greeting Ahmadinejad and apologizing for their actions.

"Your people have been really kind to us, and we appreciate it very much," one of the men told him in English.

Another male service member said: "We are grateful for your forgiveness."

Ahmadinejad responded by saying: "You are welcome."

Three of the crew members were later interviewed on Iranian state TV. They apologized for the alleged incursion into Iran's waters and again thanked Ahmadinejad.

Several of the sailors also apologized during videotaped statements that were aired while they were still held captive.

On Friday, the captives confirmed that the confessions were false and calculated.
 

Richard Doolittle

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P Joe "I'm just wondering why they didn't just get on their boat and leave. If it was me, I don't think I would stick around and "reason" with them. And I don't think, they would have been too open for a chase. And besides, what did they have for weapons on their boat? Super Soakers????"

kola "You must be related to Custer!"

That was good kola, even though I don't agree with a lot of your opinions!!

I fully support our and our allied soldiers and the efforts in that region, but how in the hadies can any of us sitting here in our living rooms criticize those soldiers actions?????
 

Econ101

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Iran was just trying to push the allied forces. They don't like the idea of Brittain and the US enforcing the UN mandate on their merchant ships whether they were in or not in international waters. It was purely an attention getting ploy. They also didn't like their "diplomats" taken from Kurdish territory and wanted the US to get what it is dishing out.

They probably weren't winners in world opinion as it brought back the Iran hostage crisis in many people's memories. The pres. of Iran likes to taunt the US and be outspoken on the U.S. hypocrisy.
 

kolanuraven

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My guess is that the pres of Iran got his hands smacked over this by the religious leaders, as they are the power anyway.

They told him to quit jerking around and send'em back!
 

aplusmnt

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The thing I do not understand is if they were not prepared for battle then what would they do if they found something illegal on the ships they were out searching? Seems they were conducting military searches on ships then why were they not prepared to fight?

How far away was their mother ship? And why did it not chase the Iranians? Lots I do not understand on this deal, but I am also not very read on the subject.
 

Tom Russell

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aplusmnt said:
Lots I do not understand on this deal, but I am also not very read on the subject.
Me too, my friend. And most of us are in the same boat. The establishment media don’t want us to know any more than we do so they don’t give us more details. We are like mushrooms. The media feed us manure and keep us in the dark.
 

kolanuraven

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Goliath was ready to fight David also( I threw that in for those of you that love to quote the Bible).....whoopsie look what happened there!!!

NEVER underestimate a rival....only look to the present situation in Iraq for us to make that point.
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Goliath was ready to fight David also( I threw that in for those of you that love to quote the Bible).....whoopsie look what happened there!!!

NEVER underestimate a rival....only look to the present situation in Iraq for us to make that point.

Yep, good versus evil and the good guy won! :wink:
 

kolanuraven

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aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
Goliath was ready to fight David also( I threw that in for those of you that love to quote the Bible).....whoopsie look what happened there!!!

NEVER underestimate a rival....only look to the present situation in Iraq for us to make that point.

Yep, good versus evil and the good guy one! :wink:


Yeah....sure!!! Maybe he was 2 or 3,we don't know what his jersey number was for sure!
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
Goliath was ready to fight David also( I threw that in for those of you that love to quote the Bible).....whoopsie look what happened there!!!

NEVER underestimate a rival....only look to the present situation in Iraq for us to make that point.

Yep, good versus evil and the good guy one! :wink:


Yeah....sure!!! Maybe he was 2 or 3,we don't know what his jersey number was for sure!

You are really getting me good with the Grammar today :lol: Now if you could just win won (one) on the issues :wink:
 

andybob

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While the use of lightly armed troops for stop and search operations is standard , due to the confined nature of the ships and boats they are searching, any aggressive action would be at close quarters. The question is why there was no close air support, especially as they are working close to the disputed 'waters' of an aggressively unfriendly nation.
 

aplusmnt

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andybob said:
While the use of lightly armed troops for stop and search operations is standard , due to the confined nature of the ships and boats they are searching, any aggressive action would be at close quarters. The question is why there was no close air support, especially as they are working close to the disputed 'waters' of an aggressively unfriendly nation.

That is the kind of stuff I do not understand, seems there should be some support group or something backing these soldiers up. What if they found something on a ship that was not suppose to be there? Would they just ask them to please wait here while they go get some guns and more soldiers to arrest them?

Seems they should be prepared for battle when doing military maneuvers.
 

Tom Russell

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I am glad to read that others are beginning to question the line we are getting from “news” reports. As I posted at the bottom of the previous page, the media aren’t telling us the complete story and there are lots of missing details.
 
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