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British Sailors.

P Joe

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kolanuraven said:
How stupid of you to wish those Brits DEAD--which is what would have happened according to their statements-- doing something they apparently felt would have been a foolish move.

I have a cookie for you if you can show me where I wrote that. :roll:
 

Econ101

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Unfortunately our news has become so shallow and bent towards entertainment rather than news that I fear it does more harm than good. It is like a script for entertainment and ratings than one of conveying news.

I have watched a little bit of Fox and even MSNBC to see what some have used for news. I can't tell you how much time they spent on whose baybe did Anna Nichol Smith have and who was to get custody and other bs stories. They spend an equal amount of time hyping the news they are about to tell rather than just telling it. Included in these broadcasts are the opinions of the news show hosts and station. People are not given enough information to come up with decent thoughts on the subject and then are subjected to the news anchor's view of the event.

It promotes a cult like following of the anchors rather than the dissemination of knowledge and what is happening. Many Americans are astonished to see that they are not well viewed in the world because of how the U.S. treats others because they just don't get the view of the other people in the mainstay news. All of the information is biased towards the egocentric view of the United States. We only hear one side of the story and you have to read between the lines too much to see what is really happening.
 

Steve

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Econ101
They spend an equal amount of time hyping the news they are about to tell rather than just telling it.

for once I have to agree with you...maybe it's cheaper to pay a anchor for hype then actually dig up a story to fill the time...

Maybe thats why Americans are abandoning the "news" for the information found on the Web?

as for the British soldiers...I do not want to judge them harshly, there is plenty of mistakes.....in tactics and behavior.....

but Blaming them for Iran's despicable actions is not right.

Iran went into International waters with overwhelming force against a lightly armed inspection team in a semi rigid inflatable boat..and took them hostage.

troops will make mistakes....the Leadership will misstep....and in the end...the bad guys will win a few....Hopefully we will learn to make less mistakes.stay united...and defeat those who would take hostages...


Questioning the crews tactical decision with out the facts is unfair.

.....BTW...I was a trained assault boat coxswain and a craftmaster...I would not have like to have been in charge of that small boat on that mission.....
 

Econ101

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I saw a report on the Brittish sailors. They were completely surrounded without adequate firepower to get out of the situation alive.

I bet the Brits change that tactic.

When you are captured, you are trained to get out of there alive. That is what those soldiers did. You can discount everything they said until they got back in England and were there a for a few weeks. The comments that were so controversial happened when they were still in Iranian custody. I don't fault those sailors at all and don't hold them accountable for any of their comments in that situation. They made it back alive and that is what counts.

The Iranians didn't follow the Geneva Convention----but neither has the U.S. and some of their allies. The US has no moral high ground (unfortunately) when it comes to this matter. It still doesn't mean the Iranians were justified just as we were not justified for Abu Graib.
 

rainie

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From a Canadian perspective, I'm really glad to hear that some of you are questioning your news and media coverage. It really is pro american and everybody else is wrong.Seems like the reporters are too afraid of losing their jobs if they even question the government goings on.Phil Donahue lost his job over his view of the Iraq war. Other reporters see this happen and probably start shaking in their boots.It's either get on the bandwagon or you're gone, really sad too see that the media can control the whole country.When the Iraq war first started all the american news stations were patting themselves on the back and everything was just rosy. To really find out what was going on I had to switch to cbc or bbc. If I was an american citizen I would not believe the reports wholeheartedly and would try to keep an open mind.
 

aplusmnt

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rainie said:
From a Canadian perspective, I'm really glad to hear that some of you are questioning your news and media coverage. It really is pro american and everybody else is wrong.Seems like the reporters are too afraid of losing their jobs if they even question the government goings on.Phil Donahue lost his job over his view of the Iraq war. Other reporters see this happen and probably start shaking in their boots.It's either get on the bandwagon or you're gone, really sad too see that the media can control the whole country.When the Iraq war first started all the american news stations were patting themselves on the back and everything was just rosy. To really find out what was going on I had to switch to cbc or bbc. If I was an american citizen I would not believe the reports wholeheartedly and would try to keep an open mind.

The news stations in America seem anything but pro American to me. And the last thing I would listen to is the BBC! I feel sorry for anyone that thinks the BBC is a non bias, good source for world events! It does not get any more left and socialist then them. Plus you have to listen to them British accents that is enough to make me turn the chanel.
 

aplusmnt

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So whats everyone's opinion on the latest video's of the British Sailors playing ping pong, smiling and waving to the camera's?

Seems they broke a few rules of military conduct there!
 

Steve

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AplusMtn
So whats everyone's opinion on the latest video's of the British Sailors playing ping pong, smiling and waving to the camera's?

ever had a nervous laugh in an uncomfortable situation?
 

Mrs.Greg

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aplusmnt said:
rainie said:
From a Canadian perspective, I'm really glad to hear that some of you are questioning your news and media coverage. It really is pro american and everybody else is wrong.Seems like the reporters are too afraid of losing their jobs if they even question the government goings on.Phil Donahue lost his job over his view of the Iraq war. Other reporters see this happen and probably start shaking in their boots.It's either get on the bandwagon or you're gone, really sad too see that the media can control the whole country.When the Iraq war first started all the american news stations were patting themselves on the back and everything was just rosy. To really find out what was going on I had to switch to cbc or bbc. If I was an american citizen I would not believe the reports wholeheartedly and would try to keep an open mind.

The news stations in America seem anything but pro American to me. And the last thing I would listen to is the BBC! I feel sorry for anyone that thinks the BBC is a non bias, good source for world events! It does not get any more left and socialist then them. Plus you have to listen to them British accents that is enough to make me turn the chanel.
Ha Ha TOOOO funny,trust me fox news the THE most biased,American propaganda news station there is....don't believe me....leave your country see another perspective.
 

aplusmnt

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Mrs.Greg said:
aplusmnt said:
rainie said:
From a Canadian perspective, I'm really glad to hear that some of you are questioning your news and media coverage. It really is pro american and everybody else is wrong.Seems like the reporters are too afraid of losing their jobs if they even question the government goings on.Phil Donahue lost his job over his view of the Iraq war. Other reporters see this happen and probably start shaking in their boots.It's either get on the bandwagon or you're gone, really sad too see that the media can control the whole country.When the Iraq war first started all the american news stations were patting themselves on the back and everything was just rosy. To really find out what was going on I had to switch to cbc or bbc. If I was an american citizen I would not believe the reports wholeheartedly and would try to keep an open mind.

The news stations in America seem anything but pro American to me. And the last thing I would listen to is the BBC! I feel sorry for anyone that thinks the BBC is a non bias, good source for world events! It does not get any more left and socialist then them. Plus you have to listen to them British accents that is enough to make me turn the chanel.
Ha Ha TOOOO funny,trust me fox news the THE most biased,American propaganda news station there is....don't believe me....leave your country see another perspective.

Never saw Fox news once in my life, so I guess I do not need to get another perspective to compare it to :wink: :lol:

All news stations are bias, because an individual person decides what, when, and how to portray the entertainment they are providing. If Fox leans toward showing a more conservative perspective then good, seeing how the other 3 lean far to the left on what they show. Seems if the other three networks in America are bias in one direction then maybe Fox is that station showing the other side of the issues??
 

IL Rancher

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BBC is far from the most bias against America when it comes to foregin, english speaking, news agencies.. If you have directv watch Link.. I actually find a lot of stuff on that channel very interesting but make no mistake, they are highly critical of US policy in this world... Highly. The American media can be very critical of what goes on in the states but they tend to focus more on partisan bickering instead of some of the broder issues of global trade and politics. 30 minutes a night - commercials and the prerequisate feel good story, is really not enough time to go into depth on anything....

I personally prefer BBC over the big three networks in the states and Fox gets a little to cheerleedy at times...
 

Econ101

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IL Rancher said:
BBC is far from the most bias against America when it comes to foregin, english speaking, news agencies.. If you have directv watch Link.. I actually find a lot of stuff on that channel very interesting but make no mistake, they are highly critical of US policy in this world... Highly. The American media can be very critical of what goes on in the states but they tend to focus more on partisan bickering instead of some of the broder issues of global trade and politics. 30 minutes a night - commercials and the prerequisate feel good story, is really not enough time to go into depth on anything....

I personally prefer BBC over the big three networks in the states and Fox gets a little to cheerleedy at times...

There is a lot to be critical of. We don't have U.S. policy, we have Bush policy. This administration has isolated the US and the reduced the moral integrity of the U.S. in the view of most of the world--the West included. Gonzales and Cheny's "We will torture them to save American lives" regardless of the Geneva Convention is a big part of it. Everyone sees what unchecked power---even of the U.S.---can do to ethical behavior. Power corrupts--absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 

Mrs.Greg

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aplusmnt said:
Mrs.Greg said:
aplusmnt said:
The news stations in America seem anything but pro American to me. And the last thing I would listen to is the BBC! I feel sorry for anyone that thinks the BBC is a non bias, good source for world events! It does not get any more left and socialist then them. Plus you have to listen to them British accents that is enough to make me turn the chanel.
Ha Ha TOOOO funny,trust me fox news the THE most biased,American propaganda news station there is....don't believe me....leave your country see another perspective.

Never saw Fox news once in my life, so I guess I do not need to get another perspective to compare it to :wink: :lol:

All news stations are bias, because an individual person decides what, when, and how to portray the entertainment they are providing. If Fox leans toward showing a more conservative perspective then good, seeing how the other 3 lean far to the left on what they show. Seems if the other three networks in America are bias in one direction then maybe Fox is that station showing the other side of the issues??
What I was trying to say to you is take ANYTHING the media says,cut belief in half then half again....doesn't matter what country it comes from. I give the british credit for keeping the details of the truth out of the media.....confidentiality is becoming a very rare thing,esp with the media frenzys. Critising the British soldiers doen't sit well in my books esp since ALL my ansestors including my mother were part of British military.

Poeple who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :!:
 

backhoeboogie

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Mrs.Greg said:
Ha Ha TOOOO funny,trust me fox news the THE most biased,American propaganda news station there is....don't believe me....leave your country see another perspective.

There's no doubt American media is totally corupt biased liberal propoaganda. Fox is the lesser of the evils in my opinion.
 

aplusmnt

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I see the bias in America news, as I stated before they are all bias, BBC NBC FOX all of them.

But I never think of the networks as so Pro American as those mentioned. If anything I can hardly stand to watch it because they come across as anti-American if anything.
 

kolanuraven

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For those of you who see no good in the ANY part of the news we get here in NORTH AMERICA....go over to Iraq and call us and tell us THE TRUTH!!!!

Aminus, I'll even take your call collect!
 

Econ101

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kolanuraven said:
For those of you who see no good in the ANY part of the news we get here in NORTH AMERICA....go over to Iraq and call us and tell us THE TRUTH!!!!

Aminus, I'll even take your call collect!

Ours is better than most, but that isn't saying much. Just yesterday I noticed that MSNBC and FOX had a relatively long story on Imus and his mistakes on the air. We have a lot more and bigger problems than that which are not getting covered.
 

sw

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Here you are Kola, now of course you will say this is biased also.

http://www.mcbh.usmc.mil/3mar/2dbn/2-3%20INDEX.htm
 

kolanuraven

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I will read your link, sw.

But I was just about to wish you & your son the best and that I'm glad he's safe and sound. I hope he will be able to visit you if his time allows.
 

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