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Brownback's out

Red Robin

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Sen. Sam Brownback addresses the Family Research Council, Friday, Oct. 19, 2007, in Washington. (AP Photo/Jose Luis Magana)

by Andrew Malcolm

Conservative Republican Sen. Sam Brownback, who is expected this afternoon to become the third candidate to withdraw from the GOP presidential race, made one final appearance as a candidate today.

Brownback left the "Values Voter Summit" sponsored by the Family Research Council in Washington today to depart for Topeka, Kan., where he has scheduled a 3:30 p.m. CDT news conference. He spent the last day or so calling friends and supporters and telling them of his decision to give up.

Outside the Washington conference, Brownback spoke with reporters, including The L.A. Times' Peter Wallsten. The senator offered a bold prediction: The Republican nominee, he said, will not be former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

When asked why, Brownback replied, "He's not pro-life."
Brownback said, as he had at the most recent Republican candidates debate, that he would campaign for his party's nominee, but he was sure it would not be Giuliani.
 
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So which of the Republicans that have a history of being pro-life will get the nomination? Not Thompson. He worked for a right to choose group, two wives. Not Romney. As governor of MA, he supported women's rights, not to mention that RR leaders have called Mormonism a "cult." How many wives does he have? Huckabee? Can you support him? Remember now, the person you're choosing must be able to defeat Hillary Clinton in the general election. :D
 

Red Robin

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My personal opinion is that hillary is undefeatable this election. I would run a third party to break up the republican party and hope to defeat her the next election and at the same time offer a party that actully supports Christian principles. Of those candidates running on the republican ticket I would vote for hunter.
 
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Red Robin said:
My personal opinion is that hillary is undefeatable this election. I would run a third party to break up the republican party and hope to defeat her the next election and at the same time offer a party that actully supports Christian principles. Of those candidates running on the republican ticket I would vote for hunter.

I think you're over estimating the strength of the religious right to think they can break up the Republican Party. :lol:

There are many Christians who support affordable health care for children, gay rights, feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, global warming, are against torture. The religious right is falling apart as fast as the Republican Party.

http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2273
 

Red Robin

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ff said:
There are many Christians who support affordable health care for children, gay rights, feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, global warming, are against torture. The religious right is falling apart as fast as the Republican Party.
Well I'm for global warming. I drive all I can and run some of those environment destroying bovines. As far as The Christians having the ability to destroy the republican party, Oldtimer posted a link that said that 27% of the republican voters would support a third party prolife candidate. That destroys the republican party in the first year of operation. Insuinating a democrat led government is the only way to feed the hungry or the only way to affordable housing or the only way to have affordable health care is laughable. You democrats can have the gay rights issue. One question on that note, if the democrats are so pro-gay, why don't they choose hillary a openly gay running mate?
Your torture accusation is dirty.
 
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Red Robin said:
ff said:
There are many Christians who support affordable health care for children, gay rights, feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, global warming, are against torture. The religious right is falling apart as fast as the Republican Party.
Well I'm for global warming. I drive all I can and run some of those environment destroying bovines. As far as The Christians having the ability to destroy the republican party, Oldtimer posted a link that said that 27% of the republican voters would support a third party prolife candidate. That destroys the republican party in the first year of operation. Insuinating a democrat led government is the only way to feed the hungry or the only way to affordable housing or the only way to have affordable health care is laughable. You democrats can have the gay rights issue. One question on that note, if the democrats are so pro-gay, why don't they choose hillary a openly gay running mate?
Your torture accusation is dirty.

Just because 27% of Republicans say they'll support a third party THIS YEAR doesn't mean the party is dead. They just don't have a appealing candidate this election. Many of us can remember that one big reason Bill Clinton got the Democratic nomination was because none of the big name Dems wanted to take on a popular, incumbent president. "Conservatives" abandoned George HW Bush, we had a third party, and Clinton was elected. I am encouraged, though, to see that you think Hillary is unstoppable. :D

I simply pointed out that other Christian groups have reached past the "guns, babies, and god" theme that have been the basis of the influence of the RR. It seems some of the big mega churches are starting to preach tolerance and forgiveness.

I would hope Hillary choses a capable running mate, if she gets the nomination. Cheney was chosen because most people felt George W. Bush needed adult supervision. Quayle was chosen because they thought women would vote for an attractive man. Gore was chosen for his experience.

Gallup polls find that 37% of churchgoing Protestents say they won't vote for a Mormon. 28% of Americans say they won't vote for a Mormon.

http://www.politico.com/rogersimon/
 

Red Robin

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Red Robin said:
ff said:
There are many Christians who support affordable health care for children, gay rights, feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, global warming, are against torture. The religious right is falling apart as fast as the Republican Party.
Well I'm for global warming. I drive all I can and run some of those environment destroying bovines. As far as The Christians having the ability to destroy the republican party, Oldtimer posted a link that said that 27% of the republican voters would support a third party prolife candidate. That destroys the republican party in the first year of operation. Insinuating a democrat led government is the only way to feed the hungry or the only way to affordable housing or the only way to have affordable health care is laughable. You democrats can have the gay rights issue. One question on that note, if the democrats are so pro-gay, why don't they choose hillary a openly gay running mate?
Your torture accusation is dirty.

Just because 27% of Republicans say they'll support a third party THIS YEAR doesn't mean the party is dead. They just don't have a appealing candidate this election. Many of us can remember that one big reason Bill Clinton got the Democratic nomination was because none of the big name Dems wanted to take on a popular, incumbent president. "Conservatives" abandoned George HW Bush, we had a third party, and Clinton was elected. I am encouraged, though, to see that you think Hillary is unstoppable. :D
Don't misunderstand me , I think she should be stopped but for some reason the Democrat voters don't have the ability to spot a crook.
I simply pointed out that other Christian groups have reached past the "guns, babies, and god" theme that have been the basis of the influence of the RR.
Sad isn't it! Nothing more important to a Christian but God but these "other" groups are evidently hypocrites.
It seems some of the big mega churches are starting to preach tolerance and forgiveness.
Tolerance is much different than forgiveness and the Christian community as a whole for it's entire history has preached forgiveness. Forgiveness goes with repentance. Tolerance on the other hand , doesn't.
I would hope Hillary chooses a capable running mate, if she gets the nomination.
She better. It'd be nice to see someone in politics that has private sector experience. She sure doesnt' have any other than her cattle trading ability. :shock: which was sure crooked. Why wouldn't you be for affirmative action here? Tell her to pick a lesbian for her V.P. :lol:
Cheney was chosen because most people felt George W. Bush needed adult supervision. Quayle was chosen because they thought women would vote for an attractive man. Gore was chosen for his experience.
Pure BUNK!
 
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Brownback was a true conservative on so-called values issues, particularly abortion. Asked in one interview about abortion, Brownback said: "I see it [abortion] as the lead moral issue of our day, just like slavery was the lead moral issue 150 years ago."

As a result, his candidacy attracted positive attention from various religious and conservative groups.

But the data we have available to us simply don’t suggest that an issue like abortion is enough to propel a candidate to the forefront of the Republican list. When we recently asked Republicans to name the most important issues they will take into account in deciding whom to vote for, only 6% mentioned abortion, even when allowed multiple mentions. And our surveys of the most important problem facing the country show that the big three issues are Iraq, the economy, and healthcare. Brownback had positions on all of these, of course, but he appeared to be attracting attention mainly from values-oriented constituencies.

The major candidate left in the GOP race who is primarily positioned on values issues is former Baptist preacher (and former governor of Arkansas) Mike Huckabee. He’s been a little more successful than Brownback. Huckabee has received as high as 7% in our national polls of Republicans (he gets 6% in our latest poll). Huckabee has at this point essentially carved out a position as the leader of the second-tier candidates – behind the Giuliani/Thompson/McCain/Romney first tier. Huckabee’s name ID nationally among Republicans, however, is only at 35%, not that much better than Brownback’s.

As has been discussed, if Brownback endorses Huckabee, it could help consolidate the latter's position in the race as the "true" conservative candidate. But the impact of that positioning on the structure of the GOP race, as noted, is still unclear.
From GallopGaru
 
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