Maple Leaf Angus
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greybeard said:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Good one!
greybeard said:Bears killed 2 people in Canada in May. Maybe we should spend a couple of billion studying bears.
As I said , I can't figure it.
rancher said:Tam said:Well Murgen I have to say I'm glad the USDA is sending the sample out of the country because their testing credibility is a bit weak. :nod:
When Canada found two in a short time, we had an epidemic :x but I'm sure R-CALF can spin this to make it look as if they still have the safest beef in the world. :roll: They don't have LIEING LEO to cover their butts anymore but givin' a chance i'm sure Bulls**t Bullard can come up with something. I just hope they don't have a CCIA tag in that remote area of the US. I believe BSE could have been a non issue if R-CALF had shut their lieing mouths and kept their lawyers at bay but what can you except from a group called Ranchers-Cattlemen Action LEGAL FUND that is lead by men that have no conscious. I can't believe Montana is a home to such people. Do you think TAM should stand for Truly Ashamed of Montana.
You guys forget that R-calf wanted to test them all. Then the truth would come out how big of a problem it is. I say test them all over 30 months if that is what it takes.
Tam said:rancher said:Tam said:Well Murgen I have to say I'm glad the USDA is sending the sample out of the country because their testing credibility is a bit weak. :nod:
When Canada found two in a short time, we had an epidemic :x but I'm sure R-CALF can spin this to make it look as if they still have the safest beef in the world. :roll: They don't have LIEING LEO to cover their butts anymore but givin' a chance i'm sure Bulls**t Bullard can come up with something. I just hope they don't have a CCIA tag in that remote area of the US. I believe BSE could have been a non issue if R-CALF had shut their lieing mouths and kept their lawyers at bay but what can you except from a group called Ranchers-Cattlemen Action LEGAL FUND that is lead by men that have no conscious. I can't believe Montana is a home to such people. Do you think TAM should stand for Truly Ashamed of Montana.
You guys forget that R-calf wanted to test them all. Then the truth would come out how big of a problem it is. I say test them all over 30 months if that is what it takes.
They wanted to test them all alright, because they saw this as a Canadian problem and hoped the testing would find other Canadian cattle. I don't think they were counting on the testing finding US cases. If they really thought that the US had a BSE problem and wanted to find out how big it really was they were even dumber than I gave them credit for. Why would you go in front of a court of law with the media covering your every word and claim all beef coming from a country with BSE is tainted and unsafe if you thought your beef would soon be in that same catagory. You, Rancher and a few of the other members may want to know what you face but after what R-CALF has been saying I can not believe you actually think R-CALF leadership really wants to know. They painted you into a corner with their lies and if your consumers had listened BSE would not have been the non issue it has been in the US. And If the Governors of South Dakota and Montana keep up their talk about Canadian beef putting their state cattle industries at risk, how can people not say the same about Texas cattle and what ever states cattle that todays cow came from. When is R-CALF going to realize the US is in the same boat and do something to protect the whole industry not just the prices you are seeing today. :roll:
And Rancher I believe you do want to know what you are facing and want it cleaned up, but I don't believe the R-CALF leadership wants to know. If they do, they have a very strange way of protecting themselve if the truth comes out to how big the problem is in the US. Why would they make up so many stories about the safety of our beef if they truly thought the US had BSE?rancher said:Tam said:rancher said:You guys forget that R-calf wanted to test them all. Then the truth would come out how big of a problem it is. I say test them all over 30 months if that is what it takes.
They wanted to test them all alright, because they saw this as a Canadian problem and hoped the testing would find other Canadian cattle. I don't think they were counting on the testing finding US cases. If they really thought that the US had a BSE problem and wanted to find out how big it really was they were even dumber than I gave them credit for. Why would you go in front of a court of law with the media covering your every word and claim all beef coming from a country with BSE is tainted and unsafe if you thought your beef would soon be in that same catagory. You, Rancher and a few of the other members may want to know what you face but after what R-CALF has been saying I can not believe you actually think R-CALF leadership really wants to know. They painted you into a corner with their lies and if your consumers had listened BSE would not have been the non issue it has been in the US. And If the Governors of South Dakota and Montana keep up their talk about Canadian beef putting their state cattle industries at risk, how can people not say the same about Texas cattle and what ever states cattle that todays cow came from. When is R-CALF going to realize the US is in the same boat and do something to protect the whole industry not just the prices you are seeing today. :roll:
Well excuse me, but I for one want to know if we have a problem and then deal with it. I don't care to sweep it under the rug. If it shows up we have lots of BSE would it be better to ignore it or try and fix some loop holes like chicken s*** and what ever else we are doing wrong. Would you rather know or not know? I see you guys want to work on sending cows over 30 months to us now. Do you take cows over 30 months from us?
I was just wondering why you think it is a safe bet it was a dairyman when most of the cattle found in North America have been beef cattle? I don't have an explanation for it either but the facts are they have mostly been beef cattle not dairy. We have had other posters say "this is a dairy problem and all dairy cattle should be ban from the human food chain" but that has not been the case in North America. And when the Washington cow was said to have been an 8 year old dairy cow. A lot of guys question the age as most dairy cows are burnt out before they ever reach the age of 8 years so just how many 12 year old dairy cows are there. I'm not saying she isn't a dairy animal she could be, but the age and the fact most BSE cases in North American have been Beef cattle shows me this would not be a safe bet.greybeard said:Tam, I said "I can't figure out why we in North America are seeing a majority of Beef cows ".
How much MBM did you feed you range cows in southern Saskatchewan? The big users were the dairy barns.
They start the calves on milk replace after the first 2 doses of colostrums. It used to have MBM. Most eat pellet supplement every day of their life. Most beef guys feed home grown feeds.
At least 2 of the Canadian Beef animals were raised as purebred breeding stock. Anouther group that uses pellets to increase performance. Was the Texas cow from a purebred operation or a hobby farm that would use pellets?
Someone on another thread suggested killing all pre "97" cows. Maybe send the meat over to the Brits. They seem to have developed immunity to BSE. They ate an estimated 700 thousand before it was considered dangerous. With a long incubation period they were suppose to be dropping like flies by now. They expect less than 5 to die of vCJD this year.
Bears killed 2 people in Canada in May. Maybe we should spend a couple of billion studying bears.
As I said , I can't figure it.
Most dairy cattle don't make it past 4-5 lactations,less chance of living long enough to develope bse here in north americagreybeard said:Above I say Rancher. The safe bet will be Dairyman. I can't figure why we in North America are seeing a majority of beef cows. In England it is mostly dairy, and some beef breeds have never had a confirmed case.