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BSE LIGHT

Big Muddy rancher

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Haymaker wrote"PS Remember Miss Tam you have a differnt type of BSE,I understand yours is the deadly type"


Now we can understand why R-CALF isn't concerned about "Native" cases of BSE. The US form isn't deadly. We should have just asked Haymaker this is the first place. This explains soooo much. :wink:
 

Sandhusker

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What does Haymaker's personal comments have to do with R-CALF policy?

You confusing Haymaker with R-CALF explains soooo much.
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
What does Haymaker's personal comments have to do with R-CALF policy?

You confusing Haymaker with R-CALF explains soooo much.


Au Contraire Sandyhusker. Old Haymaker alludes to his constant contact and his advisory role to the top ranks. I would believe e might even have a telephone under glass like the president or Batman.
 

ocm

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
What does Haymaker's personal comments have to do with R-CALF policy?

You confusing Haymaker with R-CALF explains soooo much.


Au Contraire Sandyhusker. Old Haymaker alludes to his constant contact and his advisory role to the top ranks. I would believe e might even have a telephone under glass like the president or Batman.

I'm sure I have as much contact with R-CALF top ranks as haymaker. His use of "deadly type" is unique to him.

The technically correct term is "atypical" vs "typical". Some people think atypical is spontaneous, not caused by anything consumed by the animal. Also they were VERY old. This is not the same as Canada's positives.
 

Bill

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Haymaker wrote
"PS Remember Miss Tam you have a differnt type of BSE,I understand yours is the deadly type"

It may or may not be R-Klan policy but a statement like that sure says a lot about the mindset of it's supporters.
 

HAY MAKER

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
What does Haymaker's personal comments have to do with R-CALF policy?

You confusing Haymaker with R-CALF explains soooo much.


Au Contraire Sandyhusker. Old Haymaker alludes to his constant contact and his advisory role to the top ranks. I would believe e might even have a telephone under glass like the president or Batman.

No Hay maker does not say any thing like that,maybe you oughta prove some of your garbage this time or admitt,you are a liar.............I have stated more than once on this forum and others..........I represent no organazation,my statements are mine and mine alone,I am simply a member at this time,as good ole SH would say .........watch this folks,watch big dummie lie outa this.........good luck
 

HAY MAKER

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Bill said:
Haymaker wrote
"PS Remember Miss Tam you have a differnt type of BSE,I understand yours is the deadly type"

It may or may not be R-Klan policy but a statement like that sure says a lot about the mindset of it's supporters.

BSE is a deadly disease ? yes or no ? canada has had several cases of BSE,yes or no ?twist this anyway you want,its my humble opinion,until more is known about BSE,including the differnt strains,as the thinking is ours is a differnt type,live cattle restrictions stay in place!!!..........good luck

PS any disease that has killed as many cattle as BSE has, it is my opinion...........A VERY DEADLY DISEASE,and has to be controlled at all costs.
 

HAY MAKER

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Haymaker wrote"PS Remember Miss Tam you have a differnt type of BSE,I understand yours is the deadly type"


Now we can understand why R-CALF isn't concerned about "Native" cases of BSE. The US form isn't deadly.
We should have just asked Haymaker this is the first place. This explains soooo much. :wink:

What do mean should of asked Hay Maker ? You have asked,my answer has always been .......until BSE is completely understood and controlled ,border restrictions should stay in place,and just in case you are slow to understand,this is my opinion,no one elses................good luck
 

Sandhusker

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Bill said:
Haymaker wrote
"PS Remember Miss Tam you have a differnt type of BSE,I understand yours is the deadly type"

It may or may not be R-Klan policy but a statement like that sure says a lot about the mindset of it's supporters.

I can offer some real doozies that says a lot about the mindset of R-CALF's detractors.....
 

Tam

Well-known member
HAY MAKER said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
What does Haymaker's personal comments have to do with R-CALF policy?

You confusing Haymaker with R-CALF explains soooo much.


Au Contraire Sandyhusker. Old Haymaker alludes to his constant contact and his advisory role to the top ranks. I would believe e might even have a telephone under glass like the president or Batman.

No Hay maker does not say any thing like that,maybe you oughta prove some of your garbage this time or admitt,you are a liar.............I have stated more than once on this forum and others..........I represent no organazation,my statements are mine and mine alone,I am simply a member at this time,as good ole SH would say .........watch this folks,watch big dummie lie outa this.........good luck

WOW!!!!! some more good advice Miss Tam ,you are just tooooo good,I believe I will call R CALF's office this morning and tell them you have the answers to all of the North American cattle herds BSE problems,also some wonderful ideas on how we can protect the consumer with firewalls etc..............can you provide a little detail ,so I can relay it ?............good luck
PS Remember Miss Tam you have a differnt type of BSE,I understand yours is the deadly type

Lets let everyone one decide if Haymaker is contacting R-CALF and relaying industry information to them :wink:
 

Tam

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HAY MAKER said:
Bill said:
Haymaker wrote
"PS Remember Miss Tam you have a differnt type of BSE,I understand yours is the deadly type"

It may or may not be R-Klan policy but a statement like that sure says a lot about the mindset of it's supporters.

BSE is a deadly disease ? yes or no ? canada has had several cases of BSE,yes or no ?twist this anyway you want,its my humble opinion,until more is known about BSE,including the differnt strains,as the thinking is ours is a differnt type,live cattle restrictions stay in place!!!..........good luck

PS any disease that has killed as many cattle as BSE has, it is my opinion...........A VERY DEADLY DISEASE,and has to be controlled at all costs.

But the question is does the US also have BSE and is the US BSE just as deadly as any other county's BSE? Your comment alludes to the idea that the strain you have is not deadly like ours. When truth be known we know more about where our strain comes from and how it is spread and what we have to do according to international Food Safety rules to protect our herd and consumers from it. While you don't know where yours comes from, how it is spread, and according to SOME of your supporters there are no firewalls to protect anyone from it, yet your organization still supports putting consumers in danger with all the unknowns about your strain. In my humble opinion if this was a true food safety issue then R-CALF and ALL THEY SUPPORTERS would be demanding restrictions of marketing US beef to ANY CONSUMER be put in place until the truth is known about your strain and how to protect your herd and consumer from it. :wink: To bad you still have to make a living Haymaker.
 

Tam

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HAY MAKER said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Haymaker wrote"PS Remember Miss Tam you have a differnt type of BSE,I understand yours is the deadly type"


Now we can understand why R-CALF isn't concerned about "Native" cases of BSE. The US form isn't deadly.
We should have just asked Haymaker this is the first place. This explains soooo much. :wink:

What do mean should of asked Hay Maker ? You have asked,my answer has always been .......until BSE is completely understood and controlled ,border restrictions should stay in place,and just in case you are slow to understand,this is my opinion,no one elses................good luck

So you are willing to call R-CALF about my opinion but not yours. :wink: Or did you call them and they told you are you nuts man we are cattle producers and if we take your stand we will be demanding resrtictions on a product we make our living at!!!!!!
 

HAY MAKER

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Who are you going to be today big dummie Miss Tam or big dummie,I know you post both,who you think you are fooling,I hardly think a coment about relaying information constitutes an advisory role............good luck
 

mwj

Well-known member
HAY MAKER said:
Bill said:
Haymaker wrote
"PS Remember Miss Tam you have a differnt type of BSE,I understand yours is the deadly type"

It may or may not be R-Klan policy but a statement like that sure says a lot about the mindset of it's supporters.

BSE is a deadly disease ? yes or no ? canada has had several cases of BSE,yes or no ?twist this anyway you want,its my humble opinion,until more is known about BSE,including the differnt strains,as the thinking is ours is a differnt type,live cattle restrictions stay in place!!!..........good luck

PS any disease that has killed as many cattle as BSE has, it is my opinion...........A VERY DEADLY DISEASE,and has to be controlled at all costs.

Is your priority how many cattle are killed by bse :shock: Do you have some figures to back up this VERY DEADLY DISEASE that has to be controlled at all cost. Why do you complain about manditory id costing to much if this CATTLE KILLER has to be controlled at all cost. What about the poor children don't you want to protect them? Wonder how this cattle killer will reduce the size of the northern herd since you think it is running rampant north of the border? Maybe it will cut back on there exports and cattle prices will go up enough that you can get some brush cut.
 

HAY MAKER

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mwj said:
HAY MAKER said:
Bill said:
Haymaker wrote

It may or may not be R-Klan policy but a statement like that sure says a lot about the mindset of it's supporters.

BSE is a deadly disease ? yes or no ? canada has had several cases of BSE,yes or no ?twist this anyway you want,its my humble opinion,until more is known about BSE,including the differnt strains,as the thinking is ours is a differnt type,live cattle restrictions stay in place!!!..........good luck

PS any disease that has killed as many cattle as BSE has, it is my opinion...........A VERY DEADLY DISEASE,and has to be controlled at all costs.

Is your priority how many cattle are killed by bse :shock: Do you have some figures to back up this VERY DEADLY DISEASE that has to be controlled at all cost. Why do you complain about manditory id costing to much if this CATTLE KILLER has to be controlled at all cost. What about the poor children don't you want to protect them? Wonder how this cattle killer will reduce the size of the northern herd since you think it is running rampant north of the border? Maybe it will cut back on there exports and cattle prices will go up enough that you can get some brush cut.

#1It is every cattle mans priority to eradicate BSE
#2Numbers of cattle killed by BSE are readily availible on the web,do a little research and I believe you will agree there have been several countries that have lost cattle to the BSE disease
#3 I have never complained about the cost of MID
#4 Yes I want to protect the poor children
#5 No one has the answer to how many cattle BSE will kill
#6 I doubt it, I have a lot of respect for the canadian rancher,I see the pictures of their children,I understand the costs of ranching and raising a family,but there is a serious BSE problem in canada,and until we completely understand BSE and can control it,we need border restrictions,the comingling of more imports will only compound the problem...................good luck
 

mwj

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Haymaker you can find a lot of no.s about the cattle killed to look for bse but very little on how many bse killed!! Do you have a source for the no.s or is this a guess? If you could stear me towards the no.s killed I would apreciate it 8)
 

bse-tester

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At least 185,000 cattle in the UK alone. Other European countires had cattles deaths but not as many as the UK. The problem that I see here is North America is a total complacency among producers who seem to think that BSE will not affect them. It will always be "the other guy's animals," that become infected. That may well be the case. The problem in Europe was that the authorities did not recognize the problem - especially in the UK - until it was too late. BSE took hold of the National Herd and we all know what happened there. The problem appears to be rampant here also where the so-called authorities are concerned. The CFIA and USDA are both guilty of ignoring the potential of the problem until other countries slammed their doors shut to Canadian and US exports!! Only then did they wake up and yet they both still tried to shovel the issue under the rug with stupid moves like that incredible one that labelled all product free of SRM's to be considered safe!! What a total smoke job that one was and still is!! And, for those who will argue in their favor, let us also recall that although the feed ban was implemented, they still allowed the feeding of ruminant material, including SRM to chickens and hogs and then, if that was not a killer decision, they also allowed the feeding of Chicken and Hog remnants to cattle thus continuing the cycle all over again!!!!

But hey, let's not also forget the fact the the USA has, on average, about 300,000 downers per year! Has anyone considered them as having PrPsc??? Prior to 1997, I doubt that too many of them were even tested let alone considered to have BSE.
 
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