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Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
BMR,"If it wasn't for R-CALF going to court at every turn the rule mught have allowed Soapweed to buy my calves just like he could have before the BSE incident. Japan is taking US beef again. Oh and does your wage rise and fall with the fat cattle prices. Do you get 20% less when they fall from $1.00 to $0.80?"

You're right, BRM, R-CALF was wrong to take USDA to court. It would of been much wiser to sit on our hands and let them put our entire industry at risk for the benefit of Cargill and Tyson. We should be mindless yes-men.

My wage doesn't rise and fall with calf prices. That doesn't matter. If prices stay too low for too long, I won't have a wage.

You are on another thread telling us how we should work together with R-CALF to stop captive suppies ect. Well R-CALF should have thought of that before they alienated Canadian producers with Anti- dumping lawsuits and Ads that claimed all Canadian beef was tainted. We work with our legislators and have a good repore with them because we don't threaten and don't go to them always asking for something/ They ask us what they can do for us and we give them the message to stay out of business and let the market work.
 

Sandhusker

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BMR, "They ask us what they can do for us and we give them the message to stay out of business and let the market work."

And now the market has worked so that your packing industry is foreign owned and you are reliant on one customer for your existance. Heck of a strategy you've got there.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
BMR, "They ask us what they can do for us and we give them the message to stay out of business and let the market work."

And now the market has worked so that your packing industry is foreign owned and you are reliant on one customer for your existance. Heck of a strategy you've got there.

I thought it was a heck of a plan. There was demand for our beef in the US and we supplied that demand. What would you have done differently?
You seem to have a concentration of packers in the US so I guess you weren't doing anything much different then us.
What would you have us do idle land? Sell at a loss to some other counrty? Give it away?
Maybe we should of had other markets but we did exactaly what any US producer would do. Sell to the highest bidder.
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
BMR, "They ask us what they can do for us and we give them the message to stay out of business and let the market work."

And now the market has worked so that your packing industry is foreign owned and you are reliant on one customer for your existance. Heck of a strategy you've got there.

I thought it was a heck of a plan. There was demand for our beef in the US and we supplied that demand. What would you have done differently?
You seem to have a concentration of packers in the US so I guess you weren't doing anything much different then us.
What would you have us do idle land? Sell at a loss to some other counrty? Give it away?
Maybe we should of had other markets but we did exactaly what any US producer would do. Sell to the highest bidder.


Yeah, heck of a plan. Things really have worked well, haven't they? The sad thing is you still have that same plan.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
BMR, "They ask us what they can do for us and we give them the message to stay out of business and let the market work."

And now the market has worked so that your packing industry is foreign owned and you are reliant on one customer for your existance. Heck of a strategy you've got there.

I thought it was a heck of a plan. There was demand for our beef in the US and we supplied that demand. What would you have done differently?
You seem to have a concentration of packers in the US so I guess you weren't doing anything much different then us.
What would you have us do idle land? Sell at a loss to some other counrty? Give it away?
Maybe we should of had other markets but we did exactaly what any US producer would do. Sell to the highest bidder.


Yeah, heck of a plan. Things really have worked well, haven't they? The sad thing is you still have that same plan.


Well oh International Man Of Mystery give us some details of what you would have done differently.
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
I thought it was a heck of a plan. There was demand for our beef in the US and we supplied that demand. What would you have done differently?
You seem to have a concentration of packers in the US so I guess you weren't doing anything much different then us.
What would you have us do idle land? Sell at a loss to some other counrty? Give it away?
Maybe we should of had other markets but we did exactaly what any US producer would do. Sell to the highest bidder.


Yeah, heck of a plan. Things really have worked well, haven't they? The sad thing is you still have that same plan.


Well oh International Man Of Mystery give us some details of what you would have done differently.

I'd do every dang thing I could to open up China, Japan, Europe, etc..... If they wanted their beef packed in cotton candy with a red and green bow, I'd do it (that includes BSE testing).

I'd make a specific effort to get Canadian owned packing plants up and running - that means packages not available to Tyson and Cargill.

I'd wean myself off the USDA and can this idiodic notion of a North American beef industry. I'd only be interested in a Canadian beef industry.
 

don

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sandhusker: I'd do every dang thing I could to open up China, Japan, Europe, etc..... If they wanted their beef packed in cotton candy with a red and green bow, I'd do it (that includes BSE testing).

I'd make a specific effort to get Canadian owned packing plants up and running - that means packages not available to Tyson and Cargill.

I'd wean myself off the USDA and can this idiodic notion of a North American beef industry. I'd only be interested in a Canadian beef industry.


i agree but it is american interests using their influence against canadian cattlemen that are a good part of the problem here. american corps. want canadian beef and that is why they use their influence to maintain the status quo.
 

Sandhusker

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don said:
sandhusker: I'd do every dang thing I could to open up China, Japan, Europe, etc..... If they wanted their beef packed in cotton candy with a red and green bow, I'd do it (that includes BSE testing).

I'd make a specific effort to get Canadian owned packing plants up and running - that means packages not available to Tyson and Cargill.

I'd wean myself off the USDA and can this idiodic notion of a North American beef industry. I'd only be interested in a Canadian beef industry.


i agree but it is american interests using their influence against canadian cattlemen that are a good part of the problem here. american corps. want canadian beef and that is why they use their influence to maintain the status quo.

I agree. However, it's your country. Do something about it.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
Yeah, heck of a plan. Things really have worked well, haven't they? The sad thing is you still have that same plan.


Well oh International Man Of Mystery give us some details of what you would have done differently.

I'd do every dang thing I could to open up China, Japan, Europe, etc..... If they wanted their beef packed in cotton candy with a red and green bow, I'd do it (that includes BSE testing).

I'd make a specific effort to get Canadian owned packing plants up and running - that means packages not available to Tyson and Cargill.

I'd wean myself off the USDA and can this idiodic notion of a North American beef industry. I'd only be interested in a Canadian beef industry.



So Sandhusker if you have a good paying customer for your product next door do you ignore them and try to woo another customer fartheraway that won't pay what your good customer was? Now I see why you aren't in business for yourself.
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Well oh International Man Of Mystery give us some details of what you would have done differently.

I'd do every dang thing I could to open up China, Japan, Europe, etc..... If they wanted their beef packed in cotton candy with a red and green bow, I'd do it (that includes BSE testing).

I'd make a specific effort to get Canadian owned packing plants up and running - that means packages not available to Tyson and Cargill.

I'd wean myself off the USDA and can this idiodic notion of a North American beef industry. I'd only be interested in a Canadian beef industry.



So Sandhusker if you have a good paying customer for your product next door do you ignore them and try to woo another customer fartheraway that won't pay what your good customer was? Now I see why you aren't in business for yourself.

Problem is we've been receiving a "flawed" product- that has not been properly fixed and now endangers the credibility, workability, and safety of our whole line of products....
 

Sandhusker

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BMR, "So Sandhusker if you have a good paying customer for your product next door do you ignore them and try to woo another customer fartheraway that won't pay what your good customer was? Now I see why you aren't in business for yourself."

Did I say ignore any customers? Who is to say the other customer's account won't be as profitable as your current one? Your current plan of being dependent on the US has already been proven to be foolish and very dangerous. What the heck is it going to take?

Now I can see why it took a government bail-out to keep you in business for yourself.
 

don

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ot: Problem is we've been receiving a "flawed" product- that has not been properly fixed and now endangers the credibility, workability, and safety of our whole line of products....


then you better get testing and find out how much contaminated product you have produced from all this bse you guys have been buying up here. this cutting back on testing could be very dangerous to your consumers.

if you accept the feed transmission theory it still hasn't been proven where either canada or the us first got the infection. could be british cattle imported (and your numbers on that have already been discredited) or it could have been in feedstuffs traded between the two countries and it seems to me numbers have been posted here that indicate canada imported much more mbm containing feed from the us than vice versa so maybe the canadian cases that are being found came from american material and you're not finding yours because you don't want to. whether we hear from usda, ncba or r-calf we're mostly hearing from liars and we're not the only ones who've got it figured. if you get a negligible risk rating from oie (and i think you're right; you will) countries like japan will still find a way to make imports difficult if not impossible with nttb's, etc.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
BMR, "So Sandhusker if you have a good paying customer for your product next door do you ignore them and try to woo another customer fartheraway that won't pay what your good customer was? Now I see why you aren't in business for yourself."

Did I say ignore any customers? Who is to say the other customer's account won't be as profitable as your current one? Your current plan of being dependent on the US has already been proven to be foolish and very dangerous. What the heck is it going to take?

Now I can see why it took a government bail-out to keep you in business for yourself.


Sandhusker if you hadn't noticed we export beef to many countries. The US just happened to be the largest, the closest and we had the transportation avaiable to take live cattle there. We shipped many other products world wide. Even had a market for bull penises. No not Nebraska, they have their own.You have a hard time believing that it was Americans buying Canadian not Canadians sending our product south for sale. Given time we could have supplied the world with beef.
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
BMR, "So Sandhusker if you have a good paying customer for your product next door do you ignore them and try to woo another customer fartheraway that won't pay what your good customer was? Now I see why you aren't in business for yourself."

Did I say ignore any customers? Who is to say the other customer's account won't be as profitable as your current one? Your current plan of being dependent on the US has already been proven to be foolish and very dangerous. What the heck is it going to take?

Now I can see why it took a government bail-out to keep you in business for yourself.


Sandhusker if you hadn't noticed we export beef to many countries. The US just happened to be the largest, the closest and we had the transportation avaiable to take live cattle there. We shipped many other products world wide. Even had a market for bull penises. No not Nebraska, they have their own.You have a hard time believing that it was Americans buying Canadian not Canadians sending our product south for sale. Given time we could have supplied the world with beef.

You might ship many product world wide, but if I was you, I'd be concentrating on sending many more world wider. You've already gambled and lost big, why play the same game? You were foolish the first time, the second time graduates you to just plain dense.

From what I understand, the tools found in Nebraska are a bit harder, a bit larger, and work quite a bit longer...... :wink:
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
BMR, "So Sandhusker if you have a good paying customer for your product next door do you ignore them and try to woo another customer fartheraway that won't pay what your good customer was? Now I see why you aren't in business for yourself."

Did I say ignore any customers? Who is to say the other customer's account won't be as profitable as your current one? Your current plan of being dependent on the US has already been proven to be foolish and very dangerous. What the heck is it going to take?

Now I can see why it took a government bail-out to keep you in business for yourself.


Sandhusker if you hadn't noticed we export beef to many countries. The US just happened to be the largest, the closest and we had the transportation avaiable to take live cattle there. We shipped many other products world wide. Even had a market for bull penises. No not Nebraska, they have their own.You have a hard time believing that it was Americans buying Canadian not Canadians sending our product south for sale. Given time we could have supplied the world with beef.

You might ship many product world wide, but if I was you, I'd be concentrating on sending many more world wider. You've already gambled and lost big, why play the same game? You were foolish the first time, the second time graduates you to just plain dense.

From what I understand, the tools found in Nebraska are a bit harder, a bit larger, and work quite a bit longer...... :wink:


Sandhusker what would your CEO say if you stood at the door of your bank and told people that you don't want depositors from out side your county?


We have agreed on one thing Nebraska has at least one big tool. :wink:
 

Sandhusker

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BMR, "Sandhusker what would your CEO say if you stood at the door of your bank and told people that you don't want depositors from out side your county?"

I don't know what you're getting at. Accepting deposits from outsiders affects my existing customers in no way.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
BMR, "Sandhusker what would your CEO say if you stood at the door of your bank and told people that you don't want depositors from out side your county?"

I don't know what you're getting at. Accepting deposits from outsiders affects my existing customers in no way.

Sandhusker.We sell beef and cattle to the highest bidder. Guess who was usually the highest bidder? Need a hint? Got it yet? We also sell what we can where we can. the US was our most lucrative market for most of what we produced. We could get $13 more for shanks in Korea if we left the foot on. We sent what we could where we could. Would you tell people wanting to give your bank money for services that gee no thanks we have enough money?
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
BMR, "Sandhusker what would your CEO say if you stood at the door of your bank and told people that you don't want depositors from out side your county?"

I don't know what you're getting at. Accepting deposits from outsiders affects my existing customers in no way.

Sandhusker.We sell beef and cattle to the highest bidder. Guess who was usually the highest bidder? Need a hint? Got it yet? We also sell what we can where we can. the US was our most lucrative market for most of what we produced. We could get $13 more for shanks in Korea if we left the foot on. We sent what we could where we could. Would you tell people wanting to give your bank money for services that gee no thanks we have enough money?

Fine, you sold to the highest bidder. Still, because 80% of the time that bidder was a US corporation, that highest bid came with a string attached - and that string about hung all of you. You've adopted this Walmart "something for nothing" mentality where you can't see past the cash register.

If you've got a bull that is throwing huge calves that have to be pulled or cut out, do you look at his EPDs instead of the calves and keep using him? Your cattle industry just about tipped over - you guys were telling stories about bankruptcies and suicides and what not, and yet you haven't changed course. I don't understand that.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
BMR, "Sandhusker what would your CEO say if you stood at the door of your bank and told people that you don't want depositors from out side your county?"

I don't know what you're getting at. Accepting deposits from outsiders affects my existing customers in no way.

Sandhusker.We sell beef and cattle to the highest bidder. Guess who was usually the highest bidder? Need a hint? Got it yet? We also sell what we can where we can. the US was our most lucrative market for most of what we produced. We could get $13 more for shanks in Korea if we left the foot on. We sent what we could where we could. Would you tell people wanting to give your bank money for services that gee no thanks we have enough money?

Fine, you sold to the highest bidder. Still, because 80% of the time that bidder was a US corporation, that highest bid came with a string attached - and that string about hung all of you. You've adopted this Walmart "something for nothing" mentality where you can't see past the cash register.

If you've got a bull that is throwing huge calves that have to be pulled or cut out, do you look at his EPDs instead of the calves and keep using him? Your cattle industry just about tipped over - you guys were telling stories about bankruptcies and suicides and what not, and yet you haven't changed course. I don't understand that.


Sandhusker all our export markets closed when BSE hit. Would you try to get your smallest market open first or your largest?
Yes our market tipped badly. We produced more beef then we consume in Canada just like any exporting country does. Should those Arab countries only pump enough oil for their own use? Should the US not have been built on exports? You are so blinded by what Leo tells you. It's fine to export but not import. I think you truly are the biggest T**l in Nebraska
 

Sandhusker

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BMR, "Sandhusker all our export markets closed when BSE hit. Would you try to get your smallest market open first or your largest?
Yes our market tipped badly. We produced more beef then we consume in Canada just like any exporting country does. Should those Arab countries only pump enough oil for their own use? Should the US not have been built on exports? You are so blinded by what Leo tells you. It's fine to export but not import. I think you truly are the biggest T**l in Nebraska"

When you live dependant on somebody else, you die dependant on somebody else. You guys made a huge mistake becoming dependant on us and buying this North American herd crap and by letting foreigners take over your packing industry. Some of the other Canucks on this board learned from that mistake, it appears you haven't. The next time the inevitable wreck comes, it'll be somebody else's fault again. :roll:
 

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